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Domain Registry Issues - 3/16/2014 1:34:08 AM

Lucylastic

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HI, Totally unrelated to anything remotely BDSM, but does anyone know anything about ICANN and the UDRP. I know I can google, and I have and have many sources, but im looking for anyone that has dealt with someone wanting to register your domain name in a foreign country??
I thought I would ask here, just in case anyone has (pertinent) advice
thanks:)

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/16/2014 5:40:01 AM

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I've done some domain registration stuff. In some nations its pretty straight forward. In some it involves the national government and is a PITA. It entirely depends on which nation. Do you really want a specific domain badly enough to deal with that stuff?

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/16/2014 5:52:05 AM

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I already have the domain name registered. I have had for 2 and a half years, but a company in china is going for the .CN designation and the Chinese domain registry people mailed me to ask if I objected. I do, and told her, and then this morning I got an email from the chinese company that was quite...adament about getting the domain changed to their name. And telling me they dont want me selling my corsets "in china", which is already too late, Ive shipped more than three corsets there already.yeah I know, WOW eh? lol
Ive looked up the info, and i have lots of ideas, but I wondered if anyone else had had a problem or a clue about the best way to do it cos some of it is hellish expensive.
I do want to trademark but thats out of my league at the moment.
thanks tho Ken:)

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/16/2014 8:49:31 AM

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If someone starts doing business under your name and an argument can be made that they are doing it to be intentionally confusing you can file a complaint with ICANN and force them to surrender the name to you. I think you do have to have the name trademarked though. I know the big companies like Coke have done this to deal with the cybersquatters who grabbed every variant of their domain name they could think of back in the early days of the web.

Although China is notoriously hard to deal with...

Good luck, and have fun in DC with dc.

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/16/2014 9:28:27 AM

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THe business is registered under the same name as the domain. All the tax documents, business licenses etc are legal.In the company name.
while business is good, neither of us have the resources to go for trademark just yet.
They have only just applied for the domain( but with the .cn designation)five days ago and the chinese registrars have not approved it as yet, they took it upon themselves to tell me that the registry person advised them to pick a new name, but they are going to
" persist in this name and permanent registration of this name."
Im waiting to see what the chinese registry have to say before I get the lawyers in but I have the UDRP process started.
Ive been up all night and this hit me at 3am(its now gone midday) Im gruff and cross over more than a few things, but its girded my loins to start it before its too late.

Thanks:) Ill give DC a handshake n bro hug:) just for you. We are gonna meet up there before I drive down to WV hopefully a nice brunch:) Im so excited about the whole thing!

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/16/2014 8:45:53 PM

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Its a scam...will post info for anyone else to check out tomoorow when i have the proof
Derp they could amost have had me fuck myself
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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/17/2014 7:37:24 AM

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http://www.europeandomaincentre.com/pages/news-room/domain-management-news/hey!-got-an-email-from-china-domain-name-registration-center-asian-domain-registration-service-in-china-the-department-of-registration-service-in-china-etc.#.UyZvB4VL7s1

http://www.insercorp.com/blog/index/view/id/7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_name_scams
came under fake trademark scams.. This is just for anyone else who may have had an issue with this kind of scam or does in the future
I can only warn, and complain to ICANN But it seems it is one commpany claiming to be a chinese registrar, with the "company" emails coming a couple of days later then an offer from the registration company saying they can offer you a domain registration price to stop them from obtaining your name in the asian market
As soon as I got that letter last night, the flag got redder and bigger.
I feel a hell of a pratt this morning but in my defense, (lol)on top of a nasty bout of insomnia I was off guard and not up to my best.

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/17/2014 11:53:44 AM

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Wow thats wild. It would be scary thinking legal expenses and someone tapping into your hard work. Kind of like that FBI scam/virus thing where you have gone to naughty places online. At first you're shocked. Taken off guard.

I'm so glad you kept working at it and thanks for the heads up. I will be getting a domain again in the near future, so your sharing may help some of us.

Here's to a relaxing day for you!

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/17/2014 12:01:46 PM

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Thanks Rawni:)
Ive had domain names since 2001 and never had a problem with anything like it. it was a shock.
I know a few people here have mentioned their websites, so I thought it was a good idea to share what I had come up against..
good luck with yours, and if I can help in any way let me know
peaceful monday to you tooooo :)

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/17/2014 12:29:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://www.europeandomaincentre.com/pages/news-room/domain-management-news/hey!-got-an-email-from-china-domain-name-registration-center-asian-domain-registration-service-in-china-the-department-of-registration-service-in-china-etc.#.UyZvB4VL7s1

http://www.insercorp.com/blog/index/view/id/7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_name_scams
came under fake trademark scams.. This is just for anyone else who may have had an issue with this kind of scam or does in the future
I can only warn, and complain to ICANN But it seems it is one commpany claiming to be a chinese registrar, with the "company" emails coming a couple of days later then an offer from the registration company saying they can offer you a domain registration price to stop them from obtaining your name in the asian market
As soon as I got that letter last night, the flag got redder and bigger.
I feel a hell of a pratt this morning but in my defense, (lol)on top of a nasty bout of insomnia I was off guard and not up to my best.

Guys used to do this with the .net domain and stuff back a decade or more ago. I guess going to the national domains was the last refuge of the scammers. Sorry, I should have thought of that.

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/17/2014 12:37:06 PM

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heh that is part of my feeling like a plonker Ken
There arent many flies on me, at least not for long...I dont get taken in, I grew up with too many scammers and crooks to fall for much bullshit.
I was about twelve hours late figuring this out. Duh me
I remember the .net cluster, so why it didnt occur to me I dont know
I even had dealings with the defunct canadian company that was scamming canucks, but as I had just renewed my domain it was moot.

i may have been born at night, but it wasnt last night.
Ill sic ICANN on them and share their info with others, its about as much as I can do

Thank you for your help tho:)

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/17/2014 1:28:49 PM

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Lucy,
Was the scam just email or did they physically snail mail you stuff?

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/17/2014 1:30:47 PM

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This particular scam is email based
but ive had previous scams by snail mail too(the canadian one)

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/17/2014 2:44:11 PM

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You need to understand something about registering domains: No matter who you go through it is registered worldwide. It's the only way the net can operate and is why ICANN was formed.

However, if you register My-Corsetts.com it doesn't give you the rights to My-Corsetts.Cn or My-Corsetts.CO.UK. All of those need to be registered separately. Also, if you are actively using a domain trademarks won't cover domain-squatting.

Once you realize this no-one can scam you about that again.

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/17/2014 9:28:09 PM

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quote:

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You need to understand something about registering domains: No matter who you go through it is registered worldwide. It's the only way the net can operate and is why ICANN was formed.

However, if you register My-Corsetts.com it doesn't give you the rights to My-Corsetts.Cn or My-Corsetts.CO.UK. All of those need to be registered separately. Also, if you are actively using a domain trademarks won't cover domain-squatting.

Once you realize this no-one can scam you about that again.

they just sent me the price list to register the domain in CN and china, its only triple what I would pay if I went via ICANN !!!!! lol

I have several domains registered:) Im aware of the extras for .org.biz.ca.uk.net etc and various countries designation.
and I get that trademark doesnt cover domain squatting.:) I appreciate your post tho. I was hoping you would pop in:)
the flies only get to leave marks, (I call em experience marks) they dont get a second chance.:)

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/17/2014 9:44:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

quote:

ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

You need to understand something about registering domains: No matter who you go through it is registered worldwide. It's the only way the net can operate and is why ICANN was formed.

However, if you register My-Corsetts.com it doesn't give you the rights to My-Corsetts.Cn or My-Corsetts.CO.UK. All of those need to be registered separately. Also, if you are actively using a domain trademarks won't cover domain-squatting.

Once you realize this no-one can scam you about that again.

they just sent me the price list to register the domain in CN and china, its only triple what I would pay if I went via ICANN !!!!! lol

I have several domains registered:) Im aware of the extras for .org.biz.ca.uk.net etc and various countries designation.
and I get that trademark doesnt cover domain squatting.:) I appreciate your post tho. I was hoping you would pop in:)
the flies only get to leave marks, (I call em experience marks) they dont get a second chance.:)

Trademarking, branding and patents can be tricky, especially when it comes to overseas countries. ESPECIALLY China.
You can sell to whomever you want globally, it is why every online vendor has the option of marketing either locally or globally when they do decide to do ecommerce.
It's always a great idea to buy the domains in all qualifying names, for reasons mostly circumventing SEO and backlinking but I wouldn't worry about someone else posing as your company necessarily. If they do, you can report them to http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
Again, what can be done is limited depending on where you reside, but if I were you, I'd work on getting trademarked for same measure, and if all else fails, at least come up with a company logo so you have some sort of "branding" attached to your business itself. Logos are one of the best ways to set yourself apart from competitors without spending a dime and to where you can be recognizable by your customer base. sorry I couldn't help more. Best of luck with it!
If it makes you feel any better, no one has had more patent lawsuits than Samsung and Apple, primarily because of the whole "international" trademarking issue.

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/17/2014 10:03:40 PM

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A trademark is actually gonna be in the works soon, as is a logo. Im looking to get a designer to do that simply because its just outside my time restraints and ability. I know what I want, I just have a brain freeze getting it out of my head and finding the tools n time to make it myself.
I do the website, the shopping cart, the data basing, the marketing, the advertising, and everything that entails. As we get bigger, im going to need to parcel it out, but for now , there is just me involved in the running the website.
Ive sold to about thirty separate countries now, including china:) But the way they did it was... insidious..one email every three days, one from the registrar, 3 days,One from the "company" three days, One from the registrar saying she can save me money by registering via them. then the flag went crazy
I sent them a willing Oh please help me save my domain name in china" email " and this morning they eagerly sent me the costs:)
I have reported them to ICANN thank you for the other link:)
I really appreciate the help:)

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/17/2014 10:05:23 PM

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I'll make it.

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/17/2014 10:08:47 PM

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smiles:) we'll discuss it in Cmail ? KOTC
smiling again this morning because of you!@!!!

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RE: Domain Registry Issues - 3/17/2014 10:12:25 PM

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Sounds good. I have about 6k in software that says we can do a good job. We'll have to do it tomorrow... way past my bedtime xoxoxo

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