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BamaD -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 5:26:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD And it isn't a walk in the park for the father and the soon to be grounded for life daughter. I'm sure the father is distraught and the daughter traumatised but they are going to walk in the park again unlike the dead kid He's dead remember? I never said they were all victimized equally, now did I?

deathtothepixies -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 5:27:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD And it isn't a walk in the park for the father and the soon to be grounded for life daughter. I'm sure the father is distraught and the daughter traumatised but they are going to walk in the park again unlike the dead kid He's dead remember? So only the dead are victims? what part of the difference between dead and alive don't you get?

jlf1961 -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 5:30:40 PM)
Hey joe, you must not have read my posts where I made it clear little brother told dad there was someone in the daughter's room. How can Texas prosecute if the law does not support charging the man? I have posted the pertinent statutes, if you people want to ignore facts, not my problem. Every "fact" I have posted has come directly from the statements of the authorities. I also pointed out the one fact that takes this from manslaughter to self defense, in the eyes of the Texas Penal Code. It is the same fact that keeps a police officer from being prosecuted in the event of shooting an unarmed suspect. That boy, for whatever reason, made a move to reach for something. Statements from everyone on the scene have confirmed that. Sorry, but those are facts as reported to the media. Let me know if you need quotes and links, I will be happy to get them for you, since you have not actually read the news reports fully, or you would have known that simple, but undeniable fact. Alright, the boy had no weapon, that is proved after the fact by police examining the scene. You want to tell me how, by all that is holy, the father could have known that? Then there are the anti gun people who have stated that the father had to have a violent temper, or the daughter would not have lied. Evidently no one ever lied to their parents who use these boards. Then there is the poster who implied that the father was looking for a reason to shoot the boy or anyone for that matter because he was a gun owner. Strangely enough, Texas is not a stand your ground state. In fact, when going through the course to get a carry permit, you are instructed to attempt to retreat if possible rather than kill someone. And the statutes in Texas is the same as any other state that has the Castle Doctrine as the basis for self defense law or the defense of home and family. Lets forget all the legal stuff, whether it would be within the law to charge this man, lets just haul his ass down to huntsville and execute the poor bastard. He admitted he shot the boy, so he is guilty. We really dont need a trial. We have the confession, his daughter's statement, all make it clear he pulled the trigger.

thishereboi -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 5:32:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD ................Actually , as pointed out earlier, thanks to her lie the father was led to believe the situation was different than it was. She could be tried for using her father as the weapon as it was her lie that precipitated the violence. Does no one think that Dad couldn't tell the difference between fucking and rape?? Where they having sex when he walked in? You have got to be kidding........ Did you miss the part where the father heard the noises. If he had said he heard his daughter screaming in terror you may have a point. I read that he heard noises, I didn't see anything that implied those sounds were of his daughter having sex. Maybe you could provide a link since you seem to have read about it.

thishereboi -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 5:36:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD dump it all on the father who was the second victim here. Fucking hell! There is only one victim here, the dead kid. How complicated is it? Bullshit. there are many victims in this case. What a shame you can't see that. Ok I will accept there is more than one victim here, the people involved and the families associated with them are under a lot of stress. But will you accept that there is a pretty fucking big drop off victimwise between being dead and alive? You are either overplaying the still alive father and daughters anguish or vastly underplaying the value you place on the life of the dead person Or perhaps you are reading things in there that I didn't say. I never claimed that victim wise anyone was better off. I said the dead kid wasn't the only victim. I also mentioned that I thought his parents were also victims but I haven't noticed anyone really commenting on them.

thishereboi -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 5:38:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD He has the police report, all the debunkers have is their unshakable faith that all gun owners are just waiting for a chance to kill. And of course that everything they say is a lie. Not one piece of evidence just empty rhetoric. So, lets see if I understand this.... You would automatically take the side of a gun owner whom mows down dozens of people, without question, nor hesitation, and without thought, because he's a gun owner? That's not 'sensible gun ownership' BamaD, that's a fanatics' view on a religion! In this case, the religion is the worship of the firearm. Which is what makes gun nuts different from gun owners. Notice how the gun owners are saying this guy could be at legal fault and should be sent to trial? To allow a judge and jury to determine if there was actual fault on the part of the father? Frankly a rather pathetic reply to my post..... I have never and I repeat never made any such statement or one that could rationally be seen as such. Frankly an incredibly fanciful response to my post. Putting words into other's mouths seems to be sop around here lately. Smells pretty desperate to me [8D]

BamaD -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 5:40:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD He has the police report, all the debunkers have is their unshakable faith that all gun owners are just waiting for a chance to kill. And of course that everything they say is a lie. Not one piece of evidence just empty rhetoric. So, lets see if I understand this.... You would automatically take the side of a gun owner whom mows down dozens of people, without question, nor hesitation, and without thought, because he's a gun owner? That's not 'sensible gun ownership' BamaD, that's a fanatics' view on a religion! In this case, the religion is the worship of the firearm. Which is what makes gun nuts different from gun owners. Notice how the gun owners are saying this guy could be at legal fault and should be sent to trial? To allow a judge and jury to determine if there was actual fault on the part of the father? Frankly a rather pathetic reply to my post..... I have never and I repeat never made any such statement or one that could rationally be seen as such. Frankly an incredibly fanciful response to my post. Putting words into other's mouths seems to be sop around here lately. Smells pretty desperate to me [8D] I thought so.

deathtothepixies -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 5:46:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I never claimed that victim wise anyone was better off. Let me help you out, victim wise the people who are alive are better off, the dead kid is worse off, it's not too complicated. Who is the biggest victim? Please answer without trying to deflect attention from what happened

Lucylastic -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 5:46:59 PM)
Pot meet kettle Irony meet desperation

thishereboi -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 5:54:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I never claimed that victim wise anyone was better off. Let me help you out, victim wise the people who are alive are better off, the dead kid is worse off, it's not too complicated. Who is the biggest victim? Please answer without trying to deflect attention from what happened And once again I never claimed one was better off. I said HE WAS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM Now if you want to nitpick the shit out of that then yes the dead kid definitely got the worst of the deal. I never claimed he didn't. That came out of your head. I said HE WAS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM Is that clear enough for you or are you going to play dumb and ask the same question again?

deathtothepixies -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 6:07:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I never claimed that victim wise anyone was better off. Let me help you out, victim wise the people who are alive are better off, the dead kid is worse off, it's not too complicated. Who is the biggest victim? Please answer without trying to deflect attention from what happened And once again I never claimed one was better off. I said HE WAS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM Now if you want to nitpick the shit out of that then yes the dead kid definitely got the worst of the deal. I never claimed he didn't. That came out of your head. I said HE WAS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM Is that clear enough for you or are you going to play dumb and ask the same question again? No "nitpicking" has finally got someone to admit that the dead kid got the worse of the deal but I will stick to my guns, so to speak, about there being a pretty fucking big difference between being alive and dead. The gunners can twist and argue and deflect as much as they like but there was only 1 real victim, guess who that was? The dead kid

Kirata -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 6:07:34 PM)
~ FR ~ For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple - and wrong. ~H.L.Mencken K.

jlf1961 -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 6:13:02 PM)
Gee there seems to be two camps. Camp one: the father is a cold blooded killer who, by the fact he owned a gun, was looking to kill someone. (Doesn't matter that the reported witness statements don't support this idea.) The daughter is in no way responsible for this incident because the only reason she lied was that she was afraid of her violent abusive father. Oh, and it is perfectly understandable for a girl afraid of her father's reaction to sneak a boy into her room at 2 in the morning. Camp Two: After reading statements from the authorities, and what actually happened the night in question, pointing out that the boy should not be dead, but that the father is not criminally liable under the law in Texas, and many other states. Also that this could have been avoided if the daughter would have admitted knowing the boy, instead of lying. The only thing I am waiting for is someone claiming that it was based in racism since the victim was African American.

BamaD -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 6:14:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I never claimed that victim wise anyone was better off. Let me help you out, victim wise the people who are alive are better off, the dead kid is worse off, it's not too complicated. Who is the biggest victim? Please answer without trying to deflect attention from what happened And once again I never claimed one was better off. I said HE WAS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM Now if you want to nitpick the shit out of that then yes the dead kid definitely got the worst of the deal. I never claimed he didn't. That came out of your head. I said HE WAS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM Is that clear enough for you or are you going to play dumb and ask the same question again? No "nitpicking" has finally got someone to admit that the dead kid got the worse of the deal but I will stick to my guns, so to speak, about there being a pretty fucking big difference between being alive and dead. The gunners can twist and argue and deflect as much as they like but there was only 1 real victim, guess who that was? The dead kid Again you are saying if you aren't dead you aren't a victim. Think how we could reduce crime with that concept. If no one dies it is a victimless crime. We should not prosecute victimless crimes.

deathtothepixies -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 6:27:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I never claimed that victim wise anyone was better off. Let me help you out, victim wise the people who are alive are better off, the dead kid is worse off, it's not too complicated. Who is the biggest victim? Please answer without trying to deflect attention from what happened And once again I never claimed one was better off. I said HE WAS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM Now if you want to nitpick the shit out of that then yes the dead kid definitely got the worst of the deal. I never claimed he didn't. That came out of your head. I said HE WAS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM Is that clear enough for you or are you going to play dumb and ask the same question again? No "nitpicking" has finally got someone to admit that the dead kid got the worse of the deal but I will stick to my guns, so to speak, about there being a pretty fucking big difference between being alive and dead. The gunners can twist and argue and deflect as much as they like but there was only 1 real victim, guess who that was? The dead kid Again you are saying if you aren't dead you aren't a victim. Think how we could reduce crime with that concept. If no one dies it is a victimless crime. We should not prosecute victimless crimes. a few quotes up from here I said who is the biggest victim, not who was the only victim. Can you see the difference? There is only one loser in this case, the dead kid. Others will clearly suffer but there is only one person who is dead, so forgive me for so being unfeeling and horrible to everyone one else involved but the fact remains that the real, true victim is the dead kid. Another dead kid. Another dead kid shot. Another dead kid who did not need to die

BamaD -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 6:37:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I never claimed that victim wise anyone was better off. Let me help you out, victim wise the people who are alive are better off, the dead kid is worse off, it's not too complicated. Who is the biggest victim? Please answer without trying to deflect attention from what happened And once again I never claimed one was better off. I said HE WAS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM Now if you want to nitpick the shit out of that then yes the dead kid definitely got the worst of the deal. I never claimed he didn't. That came out of your head. I said HE WAS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM Is that clear enough for you or are you going to play dumb and ask the same question again? No "nitpicking" has finally got someone to admit that the dead kid got the worse of the deal but I will stick to my guns, so to speak, about there being a pretty fucking big difference between being alive and dead. The gunners can twist and argue and deflect as much as they like but there was only 1 real victim, guess who that was? The dead kid Again you are saying if you aren't dead you aren't a victim. Think how we could reduce crime with that concept. If no one dies it is a victimless crime. We should not prosecute victimless crimes. a few quotes up from here I said who is the biggest victim, not who was the only victim. Can you see the difference? There is only one loser in this case, the dead kid. Others will clearly suffer but there is only one person who is dead, so forgive me for so being unfeeling and horrible to everyone one else involved but the fact remains that the real, true victim is the dead kid. Another dead kid. Another dead kid shot. Another dead kid who did not need to die So you have already forgotten that you said " there was only 1 real victim, guess who that was? The dead kid " in post #171? So I guess if you not dead your kind of a victim, but not a real one.

deathtothepixies -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 6:43:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I never claimed that victim wise anyone was better off. Let me help you out, victim wise the people who are alive are better off, the dead kid is worse off, it's not too complicated. Who is the biggest victim? Please answer without trying to deflect attention from what happened And once again I never claimed one was better off. I said HE WAS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM Now if you want to nitpick the shit out of that then yes the dead kid definitely got the worst of the deal. I never claimed he didn't. That came out of your head. I said HE WAS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM Is that clear enough for you or are you going to play dumb and ask the same question again? No "nitpicking" has finally got someone to admit that the dead kid got the worse of the deal but I will stick to my guns, so to speak, about there being a pretty fucking big difference between being alive and dead. The gunners can twist and argue and deflect as much as they like but there was only 1 real victim, guess who that was? The dead kid Again you are saying if you aren't dead you aren't a victim. Think how we could reduce crime with that concept. If no one dies it is a victimless crime. We should not prosecute victimless crimes. a few quotes up from here I said who is the biggest victim, not who was the only victim. Can you see the difference? There is only one loser in this case, the dead kid. Others will clearly suffer but there is only one person who is dead, so forgive me for so being unfeeling and horrible to everyone one else involved but the fact remains that the real, true victim is the dead kid. Another dead kid. Another dead kid shot. Another dead kid who did not need to die So you have already forgotten that you said " there was only 1 real victim, guess who that was? The dead kid " in post #171? So I guess if you not dead your kind of a victim, but not a real one. well spotted, my mistake for not realising earlier on in the thread that there is a pretty small division between life and death for some, but you quoted me as saying " there was only 1 real victim" I stand by that.

jlf1961 -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 6:43:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies a few quotes up from here I said who is the biggest victim, not who was the only victim. Can you see the difference? There is only one loser in this case, the dead kid. Others will clearly suffer but there is only one person who is dead, so forgive me for so being unfeeling and horrible to everyone one else involved but the fact remains that the real, true victim is the dead kid. Another dead kid. Another dead kid shot. Another dead kid who did not need to die I have a dumb question for you, have you ever, in any way shape or form, ended a human life? If not, how the fuck do you have any fucking idea what burden that places on a person? Finally, if living with that burden was so fucking easy, why the fuck are so many combat vets committing suicide? It sure the fuck does not have a damn thing to do with the fact they are home, they are out of the military and they dont get to kill anyone again. Living is sometimes a worse existence than being dead. Trust me.

BamaD -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 6:46:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies a few quotes up from here I said who is the biggest victim, not who was the only victim. Can you see the difference? There is only one loser in this case, the dead kid. Others will clearly suffer but there is only one person who is dead, so forgive me for so being unfeeling and horrible to everyone one else involved but the fact remains that the real, true victim is the dead kid. Another dead kid. Another dead kid shot. Another dead kid who did not need to die I have a dumb question for you, have you ever, in any way shape or form, ended a human life? If not, how the fuck do you have any fucking idea what burden that places on a person? Finally, if living with that burden was so fucking easy, why the fuck are so many combat vets committing suicide? It sure the fuck does not have a damn thing to do with the fact they are home, they are out of the military and they dont get to kill anyone again. Living is sometimes a worse existence than being dead. Trust me. Thank you.

Musicmystery -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 6:46:56 PM)
Another reason dad's not so bright.

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