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BamaD -> RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... (3/18/2014 8:18:14 PM)
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies
a few quotes up from here I said who is the biggest victim, not who was the only victim. Can you see the difference?
There is only one loser in this case, the dead kid.
Others will clearly suffer but there is only one person who is dead, so forgive me for so being unfeeling and horrible to everyone one else involved but the fact remains that the real, true victim is the dead kid.
Another dead kid.
Another dead kid shot.
Another dead kid who did not need to die
I have a dumb question for you, have you ever, in any way shape or form, ended a human life?
If not, how the fuck do you have any fucking idea what burden that places on a person?
no and no
it's a question you should be asking of all the people with guns who are apparently willing to kill.
and I repeat the real victim here is the dead kid
Nice choice of words, "willing to kill."
It might surprise you and every other person condemning guns that:
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Criminologist Gary Kleck estimates that 2.5 million Americans use guns to defend themselves each year. Out of that number, 400,000 believe that but for their firearms, they would have been dead.
Professor Emeritus James Q. Wilson, the UCLA public policy expert, says: "We know from Census Bureau surveys that something beyond 100,000 uses of guns for self-defense occur every year. We know from smaller surveys of a commercial nature that the number may be as high as 2 1/2 or 3 million. We don't know what the right number is, but whatever the right number is, it's not a trivial number."
Former Manhattan Assistant District Attorney David P. Koppel studied gun control for the Cato Institute. Citing a 1979-1985 study by the National Crime Victimization Survey, Koppel found: "When a robbery victim does not defend himself, the robber succeeds 88 percent of the time, and the victim is injured 25 percent of the time. When a victim resists with a gun, the robbery success rate falls to 30 percent, and the victim injury rate falls to 17 percent. No other response to a robbery -- from drawing a knife to shouting for help to fleeing -- produces such low rates of victim injury and robbery success."
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Now here is a really funny statistic to go with how many times a gun is used in self defense.
The average number of all gun deaths in the US is 32,163, as of 2011.
Clearly the number of times that guns were used in self defense meant that a hell of a lot of people were not killed.
Now there is a very old saying that goes back who knows how long, "Don't pull a gun unless you are willing to use it, don't use it unless you are willing to kill."
Hollywood would have us believe that just wounding someone eliminates the threat. You might check out how many medal of honor winner were so severely wounded that the should have been incapacitated and continued to fire on and kill the enemy.
So yeah, willing to kill is probably a very important point to make when it comes to self defense.
You forgot the even more pertinent question, how many want to kill?
Are you really so misguided that you think that sane human gun owners want to kill?
There is a big fucking difference between willing and want to kill.
No sane human gun owner or not wants to kill someone.
I did not join the army because I wanted to kill, nor did I become a sniper because I wanted to kill. I knew there was the possibility that I might actually have to, but that is different.
Nor did I really want to kill the men that I did, it was my duty.
And I sure as hell dont like the nightmares, or any of the other wonderful gifts that killing another human being brings you.
Did you know that the suicide rates are higher among ground pounders (infantry) than say bomber crews? Care to guess why?
No, it is true that if you buy a gun for self defense, you better be willing to kill.
And I would be the first person to say that selling a gun to someone who wants to kill is a fucking mistake.
But hey, if you cant see the difference, I cant make you, and you probably never will.
I asked my shrink when the nightmares will stop, his answer wasnt comforting, "when you go senile and cant remember who you are, or when you die, or end up in a coma, although some research indicates that you dream in a coma."
I find it interesting how many anti gun types tell us repeatedly that killing an assailant is so horrible
that while they might die they would never do it.
Then turn around, after saying that death is preferable to killing, that the person forced into killing
cannot be a victim, no matter what the circumstances.
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