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RE: Atlantis: fact or Fiction? - 7/18/2006 3:43:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I belive it is there, however reserch ito this spesific occult topic have been hinderd by it being identified whit Hitler and the nazi movement, and that is sad, for the leged of Atalentis is not nazi in origin, it is an interesting topic and it may be linked to both the Bermuda Triangle and things like how the pyramids of Egyps was made and why so many ancient cultures seperated by miles and miles are so similar to one another. But yes, i belive it is there, but what it is, and how intact, i do not know.

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RE: Atlantis: fact or Fiction? - 7/18/2006 4:16:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is absolutely nothing mysterious about how the pyramids were built. Along the Nile, Egypt and Sudan is scattered with failed attempts to build pyramids before the locals had mastered the technique of building pyramids. The pyramids at Gaza being the result of accumulated knowledge acquired by practical experience. Pyramids are the simplist form of building huge structures with being wide at the base and narrow at the top. They are in effect, man made hills. Now if they were narrow at the base and wide at the top, then we might agree that there is some mystery to be solved.

There is also no evidence of any ancient culture being like or related to any other culture and if you check dates you will find that there are hundreds of years between most of the major civilisations. That is not quite true but for those cultures that were influenced by other cultures the influences are there for all to see, such as the Archiac Greeks being influenced by the ancient Egyptians or Rome being influenced by Classical Greece. Even Indian art being influenced by Greek through the conquests of Alexander. But if you are thinking about south American culture being influenced by Eygptian or south east Asian or vice versa, there is absolutely no evidence and the centuries between these cultures means there was no direct contact between them.

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RE: Atlantis: fact or Fiction? - 7/22/2006 6:05:50 AM   
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I belive it is there, however reserch ito this spesific occult topic have been hinderd by it being identified whit Hitler and the nazi movement ...


When I was in Montessori school I was told by one of the teachers that 'Black people evolved from apes, and white people came from Atlantis.' The mix of pseudo-science and racism was so bizarre it has stuck with me all these years. Even as a child it was obvious crap to me, but I never asked where the Atlanteans came from (I mean, there must be apes somewhere along the line, even if it's apes from an alien planet whose descendants founded Atlantis!).

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RE: Atlantis: fact or Fiction? - 7/22/2006 6:27:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Look, there's bound to be ancient cities that have sank to the ocean by earth quakes and other natural disasters. However, no matter how many we find, what will it take to prove that it's Atlantis? Through so many stories and interpritation follwed by language change, is Atlantis really what the city was called in the first place? Finding and proving Atlantis would be a challenge much like proving that Black Beards ship named after Queen Mary is the one that's off the NC coast line. Whatever cities we continue to find, there will always to much debate on the truth. As of now, I think that our imagination and Sci Fi flicks have made Atlantis out to be far more that what it actually was. Even if we find Atlantis, we'll refuse it because we simply wanted more than what we found.

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RE: Atlantis: fact or Fiction? - 7/22/2006 6:51:27 AM   
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Time for a few facts....

While there is almost certainly a degree of truth in all myths, Atlantis is not a myth. Atlantis is purely fiction. All the so-called myths stem from a work of fiction by Plato. That is the only source for the story, there is nothing before that, and everything after that is based on Plato.

Plato refers to Atlantis in the two dialogues: Timeaus (briefly mentioned), and Critias (here is the full story). Atlantis is a ficticious ideal society described by the characters in the book in order to entertain Socrates...not to inform him, but to entertain him with a tall tale about an ideal society, after a previous discourse by Socrates regarding ideal societies.

Granted, the character claims that the story is true, and even has a long, and unsubstantiatable explanation how he comes to know the story when nobody else does, however one must keep in mind that the person making this claim is a character in a work of fiction, and therefore his claim that the story is true really has dubious value as evidence.

There are many cities and regions which are sunken, especially in the Aegean, which is volcanicly very active, so the idea of a drowned civilisation would not have been all that foreign a concept to the greeks of Plato's day.

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RE: Atlantis: fact or Fiction? - 7/22/2006 8:31:36 AM   
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RE: Atlantis: fact or Fiction? - 7/22/2006 12:19:34 PM   
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RE: Atlantis: fact or Fiction? - 7/22/2006 12:52:51 PM   
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RE: Atlantis: fact or Fiction? - 7/22/2006 3:46:07 PM   
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Sorry LadyElaine, not much I can do about it, it was made up a long long time ago, but it is still made up.

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RE: Atlantis: fact or Fiction? - 7/22/2006 4:13:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Humanity is far older then anyone today really knows of. It goes back a few millennia before the birth of Christ. A lot of the types of surgery we think we've invented today (prosthetic teeth, brain surgery, eye surgery, attempts at neurology) were actually being done successfully back during the Roman Empire. The man who was the greatest pioneer then was a named Galen.

Anyway, as far as the OP. I saw a recent program on the History channel that noted an archaeological dig going on, on the island of Crete and the neighboring shoreline north of it. The ruins they're uncovering shows a society that had pluming throughout the city out both bring in fresh water and drainage to take out sewage and excess rain water. Carbon dating dates the ruins to about a thousand years before the Roman Empire. This is one of the sites that people believe may have been Atlantis.

This program also stated that the story of Atlantis didn't come from the Greeks but was a carry over from the Egyptians. There are hieroglyphics that record an advance civilization that was destroyed in a great cataclysm. Supposedly, Socrates traveled to Egypt to study and was shown these hieroglyphics. The civilazation in the glyphs did not have a name so he called it Atlantis.

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