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stef -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/22/2014 9:50:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MistressDarkArt

<ugly truth begins to sink in>

I'm MDA, and I'm a pedant.[sm=bite.gif]

Nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't fuck up when you're trying to school someone else. That's always an epic fail [;)]




MistressDarkArt -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/22/2014 9:54:57 PM)

Re: ellipses: http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm

They have very specific things to say about spaces before, after, between; even that proper ellipsis use at the end of a sentence requires a period, making FOUR FREAKIN' DOTS AT THE END OF A SENTENCE!

edit for semi-colon insertion. Oy, my head, my HEAD!!!




DaddySatyr -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/22/2014 9:56:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressDarkArt

Oy, my head, my HEAD!!!



Hey! If I recall correctly, YOU started this thread because you were lonely and horny ... you masochist, you!







MistressDarkArt -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/22/2014 9:58:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: stef


quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDarkArt

<ugly truth begins to sink in>

I'm MDA, and I'm a pedant.[sm=bite.gif]

Nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't fuck up when you're trying to school someone else. That's always an epic fail [;)]


Good reminder, stef!




MistressDarkArt -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/22/2014 10:00:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDarkArt

Oy, my head, my HEAD!!!



Hey! If I recall correctly, YOU started this thread because you were lonely and horny ... you masochist, you!






Nope, lonely and horny (and perhaps tipsy w/bordeaux) was GoddessManko. I'm just here joining you in pedantism.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/22/2014 10:09:20 PM)

You mentioned "practice", earlier on. I assume you're referring to the violin (Viola?) that you play. Do you remember a thread where you talked about starting a "CM band"? I have some ideas about that.







MistressDarkArt -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/22/2014 10:13:04 PM)

^^^By all means, write me on the other side about that! Actually, I play a 5 string Gasparo da Salo, so it has the full range of violin and viola.

F*ck practicing. Gig's not 'til Tues and I have a serious case of brain-strain.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.




kalikshama -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/23/2014 5:01:42 AM)

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That example trips me up, too. To avoid looking like a dumb*ss, I try to use "her's" or "his" instead. Which is also confusing because while "her's" ('belonging to her') makes sense, why doesn't current motif use "his's" for "his"?


Your spellcheck should have flagged "her's."

http://grammar.about.com/od/punctuationandmechanics/tp/GuideApostrophe.htm

5. Do Not Use an Apostrophe with Possessive Pronouns

Because possessive pronouns already show ownership, it's* not necessary to add an apostrophe:

yours
his
hers
its*
ours
theirs
However, we do add an apostrophe plus -s to form the possessive of some indefinite pronouns:
anybody's guess
one's personal responsibility
somebody's wallet
* Don't confuse the contraction it's (meaning, "it is") with the possessive pronoun its:
It's the first day of spring.
Our bird has escaped from its cage.




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/23/2014 5:44:24 AM)

Hmmm.... (<-- jus to make you're point's)

Where to begin the blame game... we could start with schools, but that is more on the end of the road. We could go strait to idiocy, but that is a given. We could blame the nature of our "mud" language, but that is far too obvious. We could, and this is more realistic, blame the fact that in America we do not really use English, we use American. Or we could do the unthinkable and point and laugh at all the English purists and ask I ourselves why we do not use double negatives when the purer strain of our diluted language did.

My big complaint is the use of subtitles during a face to face meet, especially at a munch. At a munch there are too many subtitles going on at the same time for me to keep up. During a one on one face to face, subtitles always fuck up my game because my ignorance of the language becomes apparent in the subtitles as they scroll just below my chest, slightly above the table, and it is confirmed that "I IZ STOOPID."

Jus sayin
Exiled




ShaharThorne -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/23/2014 6:07:07 AM)

My English teacher and I had an agreement...I get the apostrophes correct, she would let me teach Greek mythology.

It was the only time I got an A in that class.




ARIES83 -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/23/2014 6:51:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I think the reason that grammar is used incorrectly by those who are older is because before the advent of the internet they probably didnt write very much after they left school. But then the internet came about and now they have forgotten how to use grammar or they really never learned it to begin with. You can still go through school, be extremely bright and still not know anything.

Master and I were just talking about this this morning over brunch. I have a sister who graduated high school at the top of her class and was even valedictorian, but if you speak to her you would never, ever know that or even think that. She's the stereotypical dumb blonde. Get her online and you would barely be able to figure out what she is typing. It baffles me.



I can sympathise and relate to losing a lot of the stuff you did in school through not using it...
Re-teaching yourself things you've already learned sucks as well let me tell ya...

As for the smarts though, there are many different types of smarts.

I like smart girls, however something I've found is, that not all smarts are the same. I've had partners that finished at the top of their classes and were very well read. However fell short in other ways.

I think I remember you saying in the past that you didn't think you were smart, but Kana whom you feel is pretty dam smart. Says himself that you are smart.
(I'm actually not 100% sure it was you that said that, fuzzy memory here.)
Well anyway, I certainly see you as smart LW, you really seem to show a kind of intuitive thinking that is pretty rare in my experience.

As for the OP and grammar, I am still struggling to get that down pat myself!




ARIES83 -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/23/2014 7:04:52 AM)

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WhhAa9B8H1M
Got this song in my head now for some reason...[&:]




MisterP61 -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/23/2014 7:24:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MistressDarkArt


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

What's causing it? Our schools no longer teach anything.



But lw, how does that account for the scary-smart folks in their 50s (or would that be 50's [8D]) or 60s who are obviously otherwise well educated?

I'll tell you how. English was never and will never be My favorite subject. I was the Math and Science guy, not the English and (dating Myself now) Social Studies guy. I do OK most of the time, but I will abuse the shit out of apostrophe at times. [:D]




AlexisANew -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/23/2014 11:14:21 AM)

Dyslexia was touched on by one person but ignored by the op so far.

I was 29 years old before I was diagnosed with both primary dyslexia and auditory dyslexia. My husband, who is a physicist by the way, was diagnosed with primary dyslexia and dysgraphia when he was 16 years old. Both of us can share many a story about our unhappy days at school, being put in the dunces class, being told we would never amount to anything, being made to feel stupid. Whilst my husband had caring parents who recognised that whilst their son was extremely bright, he had severe spelling and grammar difficulties and extreme difficulty holding a pencil or forming letters, I had step parents who delighted in telling me I was as thick as pig shit.

When my ten year old son (who is a bright lad) was diagnosed with dyslexia I knew it was hereditary and that is why I got tested so late in life. Up until being tested, I always had this sneaking suspicion that I really was an idiot, that I could talk the talk but sooner or later people would find out the truth about me. Once I knew with absolute certainty that I had this condition, I was over the fucking moon. For the first time in my life I had the confidence to educate myself whilst telling the grammar and spelling pedants to take a hike.

Dyslexia comes in many forms and its very common. Dyslexic people doubt their intelligence every single time they put pen to paper and dyslexic people try so much harder to get it right whilst still continuously getting it wrong. An example of that is, how many times I have to edit a post on here (almost every time). I proof read, correct and send and then proof read it again and usually spot missing words, missing letters or some random sentence that makes no sense at all. My grammar has always been a struggle and therefore expressing myself on paper has always been problematic. I try so hard and still I fail.

There have been some harsh criticism on this thread, at least that is how I have read it. For those of you that sailed through English language, good for you. I doubt you think any comments here were at all harsh. I'm glad the thread was amusing for so many. It wasn't at all amusing to me because what you're actually doing is mocking people who clearly have learning disabilities and I'm one of them.

And another thing, thank god for spell check, even though it can't tell the difference between 'wood' and 'would'. What I've just learnt from this thread is, spell check puts apostrophes in words that don't require apostrophes. What a confidence knocker to know that people were probably laughing at my posts all along.





tiggerspoohbear -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/23/2014 11:37:04 AM)

I used to be a grammar Nazi, but then I had very close friends who were either dyslexic or had learning disabilities. It affected me deeply and made me see how tough every day was for them. I no longer criticize anyone, I don't have the right to do so. While I may excel at some things, they run circles around me at others.




MistressDarkArt -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/23/2014 11:49:43 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

That example trips me up, too. To avoid looking like a dumb*ss, I try to use "her's" or "his" instead. Which is also confusing because while "her's" ('belonging to her') makes sense, why doesn't current motif use "his's" for "his"?


Your spellcheck should have flagged "her's."

http://grammar.about.com/od/punctuationandmechanics/tp/GuideApostrophe.htm

5. Do Not Use an Apostrophe with Possessive Pronouns

Because possessive pronouns already show ownership, it's* not necessary to add an apostrophe:


yours
his
hers
its*
ours
theirs
However, we do add an apostrophe plus -s to form the possessive of some indefinite pronouns:
anybody's guess
one's personal responsibility
somebody's wallet
* Don't confuse the contraction it's (meaning, "it is") with the possessive pronoun its:
It's the first day of spring.
Our bird has escaped from its cage.


[sm=doh.gif]

And thus, despite best intentions, I managed to look like a dumb*ss!

I stand corrected. Or should I say, "this pedant stands while being corrected!"

"Her's" did not get the squiggly red line. But I agree, it just looks wrong.




MistressDarkArt -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/23/2014 12:30:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AlexisANew

Dyslexia was touched on by one person but ignored by the op so far.

I was 29 years old before I was diagnosed with both primary dyslexia and auditory dyslexia. My husband, who is a physicist by the way, was diagnosed with primary dyslexia and dysgraphia when he was 16 years old. Both of us can share many a story about our unhappy days at school, being put in the dunces class, being told we would never amount to anything, being made to feel stupid. Whilst my husband had caring parents who recognised that whilst their son was extremely bright, he had severe spelling and grammar difficulties and extreme difficulty holding a pencil or forming letters, I had step parents who delighted in telling me I was as thick as pig shit.

When my ten year old son (who is a bright lad) was diagnosed with dyslexia I knew it was hereditary and that is why I got tested so late in life. Up until being tested, I always had this sneaking suspicion that I really was an idiot, that I could talk the talk but sooner or later people would find out the truth about me. Once I knew with absolute certainty that I had this condition, I was over the fucking moon. For the first time in my life I had the confidence to educate myself whilst telling the grammar and spelling pedants to take a hike.

Dyslexia comes in many forms and its very common. Dyslexic people doubt their intelligence every single time they put pen to paper and dyslexic people try so much harder to get it right whilst still continuously getting it wrong. An example of that is, how many times I have to edit a post on here (almost every time). I proof read, correct and send and then proof read it again and usually spot missing words, missing letters or some random sentence that makes no sense at all. My grammar has always been a struggle and therefore expressing myself on paper has always been problematic. I try so hard and still I fail.

There have been some harsh criticism on this thread, at least that is how I have read it. For those of you that sailed through English language, good for you. I doubt you think any comments here were at all harsh. I'm glad the thread was amusing for so many. It wasn't at all amusing to me because what you're actually doing is mocking people who clearly have learning disabilities and I'm one of them.

And another thing, thank god for spell check, even though it can't tell the difference between 'wood' and 'would'. What I've just learnt from this thread is, spell check puts apostrophes in words that don't require apostrophes. What a confidence knocker to know that people were probably laughing at my posts all along.




Thank you for your post, AlexisANew. My apologies to all who viewed the subject as an attempt to belittle or mock anyone; definitely not my intention. That is why I wanted to point out that intelligence does not seem to be a determining factor for why grammar/spelling issues occur. I think your post is an important reminder that smart folks can and do struggle in many different areas. Numbers are one of those areas for me. Pose a problem beyond basic arithmetic, especially (and ironically!) word problems, and my eyes just glaze over while my brain retreats, singing "la la la la la" and wishing I was at the beach instead. [&o]

I've been fairly easily successful in life. In the past, I used my passion for writing and sailing as a regular paid/published author for a San Francisco-based sailing magazine. I always thought I possessed a reasonably sufficient level of intelligence so recently, for the heck of it, I took an online IQ test. 74. That's right: room temperature!! I know exactly where the disconnect happens for me: it's in the number/shape pattern challenges that ask 'what comes next?' I think I would fail miserably at sudoku. It probably wouldn't hurt me one bit to delve into it, if only to improve that area of my brain.

So yes, I do understand and appreciate the difference between organic disconnects and intelligence. If my posts were lined up together on a screen, readers would see that the majority of them have been edited for, of all things, typos, punctuation, grammar, and word substitutions for clarity. Heheheh, I just edited this post to substitute 'challenges' for 'difficulties', because I want to convey a more positive outlook.

And for the record, I've never laughed at your posts. I think they are beautifully constructed and thoughtfully crafted, and appreciate these qualities all the more now that you've outlined your challenges making them so. Thanks again for providing your important perspective.






ExiledTyrant -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/23/2014 12:31:43 PM)

According to your pic, you sit corrected.

Jus sayin




MistressDarkArt -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/23/2014 1:14:10 PM)

OK, is this better, ET?

And if that's not the goofiest look on a face you've ever seen while being corrected, I don't know what is! [8D]

[image]local://upfiles/905271/2836CF4B260D4AD5B8CCA992E58DED86.jpg[/image]




smileforme50 -> RE: Apostrophe S: 's for plural? (3/23/2014 1:26:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MistressDarkArt


quote:

ORIGINAL: playfulotter

What about people sending emails to others with no spaces between the end of sentence the period and the next sentence....what is up with that? Usually it is a scammer sending the email but not always.


Re: above: I love DarkSteve's take on the no periods between sentences thing. He responds (paraphrasing here): "Are you sure you're not pregnant, because you sure have missed a few periods!"

Another one that makes my brain hurt is the use of ellipses as sentence separators, often with a mere two (..) dots instead of three.

"She's coming over to my house..then we're going to the park from there..after that, we'll go to dinner..then to the movies."


I don't have any problem with apostrophes, there, their, or they're, or even its and it's...but I ABUSE the elipsis like crazy. (Note last sentence between "it's" and "but"...)




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