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Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/24/2014 12:34:46 AM   
MrBukani


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It's all about reducing the dangers of nuclear terrorism.
The greatest threat these days is not nations who have nuclear weapons.
It's most likely a splinter group being able to obtain nuclear material and creating a so called dirty bomb.
I would guess they are the biggest threat of getting us into WWIII.

Why I started the other thread was the notion that many kids these days, think the war will come no doubt. And in my opinion it's the parents fault for making them believe so.
It's sort of be carefull what you wish for. Too many people are hung up in negative memes.
So to speed things up, I decided to kick the ball a little harder and challenge them on their true knowledge of things. A lot of misinformation is spreading in the third world and it's done for domination. Just like we do in the west. There is a difference of course. The third world doesn't have the multiple sources in plenty to make up their own mind. Indoctrination is a bitch.
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RE: Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/24/2014 9:28:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm I guess nobody is interested in nuclear dissarmement.
or is it armorment?

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RE: Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/24/2014 9:56:00 AM   
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Hmm I guess nobody is interested in nuclear dissarmement.
or is it armorment?

I'm not interested in it because countries like the US will never disarm and I'm not hypocritical enough to tell other nations they shouldn't build a nuclear arsenal when we gladly have ours.

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RE: Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/24/2014 9:59:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm all for disarmament as long as we're the last ones with nukes.

I'm sure most countries feel the same way.

It's a non-starter.





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RE: Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/24/2014 10:02:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's not what the summit is about. It's about how we control uranium production.

The Hague has been build like a fortress for this. IT IS important. Even your president is here.


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RE: Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/24/2014 10:11:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Japan gave out like 700 pounds of their urainium to make the world safer, and reduce stockpiles, hoping everyone will follow their lead, they hold like 18 tons of the stuff.  Its a non starter, everybody wants it but nobody will do anything about it.

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RE: Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/24/2014 10:27:18 AM   
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That's not what the summit is about. It's about how we control uranium production.

We who and by what right and why on earth would anyone who wants to get a nuclear military capability agree to this?

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The Hague has been build like a fortress for this. IT IS important. Even your president is here.

If "my president" is there then it's probably not that important. Whatever it is it's some sort of political hand-waving to distract from whatever I ought to be looking at.

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RE: Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/24/2014 12:00:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apparently he's there more for the G7 summit that was thrown together last minute to discuss Russia, the summit is more or less an excuse for these countries to get together sooner rather than later.

Here's a little info on that, which focuses mainly on the fact that my PM has just suggested throwing Russia out of the G8 and we are also having sanctions imposed on us by the Russians. Not that it would do much, we're an energy powerhouse and I'm not sure how much business we do with russia anyways...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-crisis-stephen-harper-urges-russian-expulsion-from-g8-1.2583636

But I digress and apologize for hijacking the thread, back to the topic at hand...

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RE: Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/24/2014 5:05:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		A "dirty bomb" would be very expensive to clean up and create a huge panic. But, it wouldn't be likely to be hugely dangerous to a population. Blow enough cesium around, and it will take millions to clean up.

And, it has been done in a back yard before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn

The "Radioactive Boy Scout" is a trippy tale and the cleanup cost a hell of a lot.

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RE: Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/24/2014 5:20:13 PM   
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A "dirty bomb" would be very expensive to clean up and create a huge panic. But, it wouldn't be likely to be hugely dangerous to a population. Blow enough cesium around, and it will take millions to clean up.

And, it has been done in a back yard before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn

The "Radioactive Boy Scout" is a trippy tale and the cleanup cost a hell of a lot.

Not to alarm anyone but a few years back as part of the University of Chicago ScavHunt one of the teams built a functional breeder reactor in honor of the radioactive boy scout. 
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/19/us/campus-it-s-that-season-chicago-phd-s-have-taken-back-seat-degree-silliness.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

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RE: Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/25/2014 6:17:22 PM   
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RE: Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/25/2014 6:21:03 PM   
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Dang picture embedding glitches...


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Not to alarm anyone but a few years back as part of the University of Chicago ScavHunt one of the teams built a functional breeder reactor in honor of the radioactive boy scout.
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/19/us/campus-it-s-that-season-chicago-phd-s-have-taken-back-seat-degree-silliness.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm


Actually, a plutonium production reactor is not necessarily a breeder reactor. You can use a neutron source (Americium Beryllium reaction is the most common type and safest to use) to bombard natural Uranium and transmute the U-238 to Pu-239. Such is a "reactor" in the sense it creates a planned reaction. But, it isn't running a criticality of fuel for sustained operation.

A true "breeder reactor" is one that creates more fissile quality fuel than it consumes to sustain a critical reaction.


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And if you can't say fun at the U. of C., with a little torque and a keg toss, certainly you can with a nuclear reactor.

Two physics majors, Justin Kasper and Fred Niell, gathered up some spare junk from their physics labs and dorm rooms and built a plutonium-producing reactor.

''It's kind of scary how easy it was to do,'' said Mr. Niell, assuring onlookers that there was only a trace of plutonium -- nothing harmful. ''It only took us about a day to build it. We've been thinking about it for a few days and we gathered the parts, and last night we assembled it. In Justin's room -- he lost the coin toss.''


A> Get some Americium foil out of a bunch of smoke detectors.
B> Get your hands on some beryllium (preferably beryllium foil).. not common and toxic to work with but findable around a campus chemistry lab. You might be able to use some beryllium bronze spark free tools for working on gas plumbing but it would not be efficient.
C> Get some U-nat, U-238, or some Uranium ore.

Yep, you can mail order small quantities of U-nat or Uranium ore
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tube-Of-Uranium-Ore-Geiger-Counter-Test-Source-/111309341924?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19ea8dc4e4

Alpha radiation off the Americium will react with the Beryllium and spit out Neutrons.
Neutron capture in U-238 will transmute it to Pu-239. Not very efficient but it works. It sounds like those Physics students, and the Radioactive Boy Scout, did just this.

Now, if you start up a reactor pile with U-235 enriched fuel then feed in slugs of U-Nat and U-238 then refine out the Pu-239 you can get usable quantities of bomb grade nuclear fuel. This is exactly what Enrico Fermi and General Groves did for the Manhattan Project back in 1942-1943 with the first bomb production reactor, B-Reactor at the Hanford Site in Washington.

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B-Reactor will eventually be open to the public as a museum. I was there with a crew to clean up the displays for a VIP tour drumming up support for turning it into a museum.

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RE: Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/25/2014 6:28:48 PM   
MercTech


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb

I like the phrase: "Weapon of Mass Disruption" from that pop culture explanation.

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RE: Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/25/2014 7:05:53 PM   
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Japan gave out like 700 pounds of their uranium to make the world safer, and reduce stockpiles, hoping everyone will follow their lead, they hold like 18 tons of the stuff.  Its a non starter, everybody wants it but nobody will do anything about it.


The old stuff from research... they suckered the U.S. into hauling off the junk. <grin>

But, most of their "stockpile" is actually part of the planned recycling of old spent fuel into usable new MOX fuel (MOX - Mixed Oxide).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rokkasho_Reprocessing_Plant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reprocessing

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Nuclear-Fuel-Cycle/Fuel-Recycling/Processing-of-Used-Nuclear-Fuel/

My big question is why we are not reprocessing spent fuel in the U.S.? The Atomic Energy Act of 1972 made it unlawful for civilian reprocessing of commercial nuclear fuel and gave the Department of Energy the mandate of taking custody of spent nuclear fuel for reprocessing by the end of fiscal year 1998. All the nuclear utilities had to pay into a fund to pay for it. Yet, the DOE has yet to take custody of a single stick of commercial nuclear fuel from U.S. reactors. (They did get some Japanese spent fuel, but that is another political tale)

Just adding some perspective that the Journalists either didn't understand or didn't fit the hype they wanted to present.

There ARE issues with reprocessing. Pu can be removed from the other stuff in spent fuel by a chemical reaction process. Enriching Uranium requires very expensive gas chromatography if you are going for weapons grade. (You can make 4% enriched commercial fuel chemically) The issue with MOX fuel is that it is possible (but not easy) to modify the process for extracting Pu to do high enrichment bomb grade instead of low enrichment commercial fuel. It comes down to politics on that. France and Germany have been using reprocessed fuel in their commercial reactors for decades now.

Another advantage to reprocessing spent fuel is that you can separate out medical radionuclides that the U.S. has no way to produce now. (We have to import all of ours.. Primarily imported from Canada.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_medicine
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About a third of the world's supply, and most of North America's supply, of medical isotopes are produced at the Chalk River Laboratories in Chalk River, Ontario, Canada. (Another third of the world's supply, and most of Europe's supply, are produced at the Petten nuclear reactor in the Netherlands.) The Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission ordered the NRU reactor to be shut down on November 18, 2007 for regularly scheduled maintenance and an upgrade of the safety systems to modern standards. The upgrade took longer than expected and in December 2007, a critical shortage of medical isotopes occurred. The Canadian government unanimously passed emergency legislation, allowing the reactor to restart on 16 December 2007, and production of medical isotopes to continue.


FYI: Commercial power plant fuel is about 4% enriched. Bomb grade is >75% enriched.
More on enrichment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons-grade



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RE: Nuclear Security Summit 2014 - 3/26/2014 12:58:34 PM   
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http://www.luckymedia.nl/luckytv/2014/03/one-badass-operation/

http://www.luckymedia.nl/luckytv/2014/03/surprise-act/

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