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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 3/28/2014 8:34:57 PM   
Phydeaux


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Status: offline 		I do think the the DOJ is clearing house so these items are cleared before midterms.

Republicans IMO should expect a flurry of indictments just before the election to do the maximum political damage.

Evidence of a complete corrupt political system - but there you have it.

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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 3/29/2014 4:42:43 AM   
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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 3/30/2014 9:27:52 AM   
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Update on this out of California - Yee and two other indicted Democrats in our state senate have been removed from all official duties, pending the outcome of the criminal cases against them.

http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/editorials/article/State-Senate-faces-up-to-corruption-5358634.php

They will, naturally, keep right on drawing their pay.

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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 3/30/2014 9:38:27 AM   
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And what's going to happen when there's a retaliatory round of raids and arrests on Republican offices and politicians? Are you going to blame it on some secret plan of Obama's to destroy the country? Neither party holds any kind of moral high ground because ALL the politicians are corrupt. Every. Last. Fucking. One.



Funny.

I believe Power corrupts.
And absolute power corrupts absolutely.

We had dimocrats ruling - virtually uninteruppted house, senate whitehouse from 1945 till 1980. With most of the beauracracy being created and staffed by democrats.

So since power corrupts, and there were more dims in power for longer. It seems to reason that for now we would expect more dimocrat corruption.

I mean really. California, New York, Illinois are entirely democratic fiefdoms. Not to mention chicago, Philadelphia, New York. Trenton. Washington DC city government.

I mean really - are there any republican machines currently like that .. anywhere? Maybe texas.

In the 1930s, James A. Farley was the chief dispenser of the Democratic Party's patronage system through the Postal Department and the Works Progress Administration

Smaller communities such as Parma, Ohio, in the post–Cold War Era under Prosecutor Bill Mason's "Good Old Boys" and especially communities in the Deep South, where small-town machine politics are relatively common, also feature what might be classified as political machines, although these organizations do not have the power and influence of the larger boss networks listed in this article. For example, the "Cracker Party" was a Democratic Party political machine that dominated city politics in Augusta, Georgia, for over half of the 20th century.[12][13][14][15] [16]

Tammany Hall

Cook County?

Huey Long

The Byrd organization

Boss Crump

Hell. If you look at the history of political machines in the US .. aren't they almost always dimocrat?



And those same democratic small town political machines, all the southern Bosses and so forth, are now solidly red states in control of the GOP.....you cite Huey Long et al, but those were generations ago.....so suddenly with the GOP they are sterling, clean, pristine? Give me a break, now we have the GOP doing the same thing, gerrymandering districts and so forth.

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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 3/30/2014 9:39:01 AM   
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Update on this out of California - Yee and two other indicted Democrats in our state senate have been removed from all official duties, pending the outcome of the criminal cases against them.

http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/editorials/article/State-Senate-faces-up-to-corruption-5358634.php

They will, naturally, keep right on drawing their pay.

But of course.

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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 3/30/2014 9:53:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is funny, all the types wanting to make claims about democrats being corrupt, etc, seem to have collective amnesia about all the corruption around the GOP, that happens all the time.

Let's see

-From recent history, anyone for the Abrahamoff /K street lobbying organization, that took down a lot of politicians, mostly republican? And not to mention that that darling of the religious right/Christian Coalition, Reed, worked for Abrahamoff?

-Big time GOP conservative Randy Duke, going down for bribery in DOD requisitions and such


-The Iran Contra mess, that went right back to dear old Sainted Ronnie, selling weapons to the Iranians to finance the contras?

-Wedtech, big defense contractor in the South Bronx, that took down both the local democratic congressmen and a number of members of the Reagan team at the DOD and should have taken down Ed Meese, Reagans AG, who was as dirty as it could be with Wedtech and other bribery.

I don't think the GOP is any more dirty than the Dems, far from it, power brings with it corruption, but if any of you want to believe the GOP with all its moral hooplah is clean, that all the good ole boys in the GOP now are any different than when they were with the Dems, or those solid types down in Florida or in the midwest as clean, you are deluding yourself. Just the nature of how we elect reps, how much big money is out there, should tell your bullshit indicator that anyone is clean based on their party.

And oh, yeah, there is a nasty little scandal surrounding Chris Christie, supposedly going to be the great white hope of the GOP (or as those of us not too found of him will call him, the Great White Whale). You can claim partisan politics, but the federal attorney's office is investigating, and the FA was appointed by Bush II and is not a Democrat....I found it really funny when Christie crowed how his investigation cleared Christie of any wrongdoing, when they were hired by him to clear his name, and they didn't talk to half the people involved. Put it this way, whether Christie knew or didn't know about the GWB lane closings or using Sandy money as blackmail to get a project approved, it says that he set the tone that political retribution and dirty tricks were okay to use, and it isn't exactly ethical or legal what his people did. If the FA offers some of the people immunity, I suspect Christie is going to be sweating bullets, because both of them claim there is evidence tying Christie to both things.

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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 3/30/2014 9:59:58 AM   
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It is funny, all the types wanting to make claims about democrats being corrupt, etc, seem to have collective amnesia about all the corruption around the GOP, that happens all the time.


You're wrong about that. It's pervasive here in P&R, the Left always pointing at the Right; it's the Right and always the Right. Complainign about the Right using Left tactics, well, the shoe fits.


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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 3/30/2014 10:06:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tell me something, Lauren. Before you post your buckets of bland, do you bother reading the other contributions at all? It's been noted repeatedly on this thread that corruption knows no party boundaries.

It is, however, springtime, as far from the general elections as possible, and this is the time of year when they bust the Dems. Republican indictments will be coming much closer to November.

Leland Yee was a major voice of gun control here in CA, right up to the moment it was exposed that he was conspiring with organized crime to get assault weapons (not scary-looking sport rifles, but guns with a full-auto selector) to drug dealers. Got the balls to address that?



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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 3/30/2014 11:22:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: njlauren

It is funny, all the types wanting to make claims about democrats being corrupt, etc, seem to have collective amnesia about all the corruption around the GOP, that happens all the time.



Is that what it is, because there are times I think they do it just to see how many times you will say...but the other guy did it too....

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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 3/30/2014 10:12:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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We had dimocrats ruling - virtually uninteruppted house, senate whitehouse from 1945 till 1980. With most of the beauracracy being created and staffed by democrats.

Eisenhower 1953 to 1961 (8 years)
Nixon 1969 to 1974 (5 years)
Ford 1974 to 1977 (3 years)

For the math challenged that's 16 of the 35 years where Democrats controlled the White House "uninterrupted."

Don't you get sick of having you lies pointed out?


They had the senate most of the time and the house from 52-94 that makes them the party in power
almost all the time.
For the logic challenged virtually does not mean the same as always.
When are you going to tire of violating TOS?
That is 4 times this week alone.

If you think I'm violating the TOS report. You'll find I'm not.


maybe I am mistaken, but isn't that both calling him a liar and making him the subject of the post?

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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 3/31/2014 2:56:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BitYakin


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

We had dimocrats ruling - virtually uninteruppted house, senate whitehouse from 1945 till 1980. With most of the beauracracy being created and staffed by democrats.

Eisenhower 1953 to 1961 (8 years)
Nixon 1969 to 1974 (5 years)
Ford 1974 to 1977 (3 years)

For the math challenged that's 16 of the 35 years where Democrats controlled the White House "uninterrupted."

Don't you get sick of having you lies pointed out?


They had the senate most of the time and the house from 52-94 that makes them the party in power
almost all the time.
For the logic challenged virtually does not mean the same as always.
When are you going to tire of violating TOS?
That is 4 times this week alone.

If you think I'm violating the TOS report. You'll find I'm not.


maybe I am mistaken, but isn't that both calling him a liar and making him the subject of the post?


Happens about 40 times a week Bit. The previous moderators pretty much decided to not enforce the TOS as written. Then the forum guidelines got changed to you could post so long at it didn't disrupt the thread.
Pretty much I figure the posts speak for themselves anyway.

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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 3/31/2014 5:27:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		The mention of Leland Yee got me thinking I might share a link to an old friend's blog.

http://www.guysmith.org/blog/2014/03/31/political-sociopaths/


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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 3/31/2014 8:52:36 PM   
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Tell me something, Lauren. Before you post your buckets of bland, do you bother reading the other contributions at all? It's been noted repeatedly on this thread that corruption knows no party boundaries.

It is, however, springtime, as far from the general elections as possible, and this is the time of year when they bust the Dems. Republican indictments will be coming much closer to November.

Leland Yee was a major voice of gun control here in CA, right up to the moment it was exposed that he was conspiring with organized crime to get assault weapons (not scary-looking sport rifles, but guns with a full-auto selector) to drug dealers. Got the balls to address that?



Yeah,he is a stupid, corrupt fucktard that I wish could be used for target practice..how's that?

When it comes to corruption, I am not partisan, I am of the school of thought that power corrupts and scummy politicians are scummy politicians....claiming that the GOP is somehow this party of honesty and purity while the Democrats are all the evil machine politicians, are like the right wing that talk about the influence of unions 'buying elections" while ignoring the very real power of the Koch Brothers and lobbyists in general (which applies across the spectrum).

I am as cynical about politicians as they come and it is equal opportunity cynicism. It is epecially despicable when an asshole like Yee, who apparently made such a big stink about guns and gun control (which is a real issue IMO), could do something that made people's live more dangerous. It is the same contempt I had for Saint Reagan and crew, when they decided they wanted to bypass congress and made deals with the Iranians to raise funds for the contras, it is the same thing, Iran was the 'evil empire' yet those assholes sold missiles to them.. anyone who violates the public trust, whether it is Marion Barry, any number of hudson county politicians, or going back in history, many members of the Harding administration, and it is people from all over the spectrum who do it. Obama deserves it for covering up the fuckheads at the NSA and trying to claim they didn't do anything illegal (like, yeah, sharing information from warrantless wiretaps with the cops, real constitutional,, Barack, this from a constitutional lawyer), there are all kinds of things and it is left and right. Often it is covered in "it was needed to protect the public' or 'I did it to help people', but that is horseshit, abuses of power are abuses of power, whether the person did it to get rich, or to get even with someone for a political slight like fatso here in NJ with his staff of moronic goons.

And btw, the original post was all about Democrats in trouble, and others went on about democratic machine politics, etc, totally leaving out the GOP..so I thought I would balance. Then, too, you have someone like John McCain, who like many in the GOP, talks about Democrats and illegal voting, dirty things, corruption, but McCain was as dirty as any of them, anyone remember Charles Keating, moral crusader, who cost the government some ridiculous amount when Lincoln savings and loan was found out to be a house of cards, and McCain was one of those who acted as political bag man for him? BTW, I am pretty certain we weren't told the full truth of the Lincoln fiasco that helped take down the savings and loan insurance program or the "Keating 5" who helped him, friend of mine was a senior bank examiner with the FDIC, who when FSLIC went under took over the program, and he said a lot was covered up, including the true losses at Lincoln and other S/L's, and also with corruption in how politicians steered buddies into picking up the failed banks assets for a song.....

Like I said, I despise corruption in any of its forms, but I also despise those who turn it into a one party show while ignoring 'their' parties feet of clay.

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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 4/1/2014 8:34:01 PM   
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FBI raids Scarborough (D) office

State Senator Yee (D) arrested

Mator Cannon (D) arrested

I'm gonna guess that either GWB or the Koch brothers are responsible for all of this democrat corruption.



Not sure what the point is here? That there are corrupt Democrats?

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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 4/2/2014 7:50:59 AM   
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Ahhhh,...Massachusetts, one of the most Democratic and most corrupt states in the country.

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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 4/2/2014 9:53:11 AM   
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"Vote early and vote often."
James Michael Curly, D. Mayor of Boston, Mass.
Ahhhh,...Massachusetts, one of the most Democratic and most corrupt states in the country.



I was going to correct you but then I noticed you said state and not city. I am pretty sure Detroit still holds the record there.

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RE: Democrats having a rough week - 4/2/2014 10:03:53 AM   
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"Vote early and vote often."
James Michael Curly, D. Mayor of Boston, Mass.
Ahhhh,...Massachusetts, one of the most Democratic and most corrupt states in the country.



I was going to correct you but then I noticed you said state and not city. I am pretty sure Detroit still holds the record there.


I don't know about that, Illinois last 2 governors are sitting in prison right now. Not to mention all of the aldermen the Daley and Washington regimes threw under the bus to protect their dirty asses.

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