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LadyConstanze -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 3:18:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Blonderfluff

Personally? I think the idea of a "mind fuck" falls into a bit of theatrics. I'm not one for the "honorifics" of WIITWD. The "sir" and walking on all fours. Meh. It has felt forced and fake to me. The dynamics that I've been in have been about emotional and physical dominance. Service and acquiescence. Leading and following. Having him play "tricks" on me to turn me on? Never occurred to us, and would probably have not worked. I knew them too well, and I just can't throw myself into role play. So no, mind fucks would do very little for me.


You don't do mind fucks in the relationship, that's crossing a line, but for example you might be having hot sex, he gets a blindfold out and keeps you in suspense what's coming, might even fool you a bit with sounds, smells, and all that, you don't know what's touching you.... That would be a mind fuck, one of the good kind...



GoddessManko -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 3:30:21 PM)

Mind fucking is normal for a sadist I would think. Where's the fun in being predictable and boring?
My [sm=2cents.gif]
edited to add: Then again I never break rules, I never abandon my subs and there is no deep deception involved. Mind fucking is more about perception than deception.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 4:07:55 PM)

In a scene, yeah it happens if it helps with the scene and adds something, but outside a scene it has no place, at least not how I want to interact with people, just not my thing.

I don't think not doing mind fucks in a relationship means you're predictable and boring, in a relationship I would find mind fucks deceptive and dishonest, I'd walk away if somebody would try it with me, so I wouldn't put anybody else through it. I see it a bit like the difference between BDSM and abuse, in a scene the mind fuck is consensual, outside a scene it's manipulative.



GoddessManko -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 4:23:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

In a scene, yeah it happens with the scene and adds something, but outside a scene it has no place, at least not how I want to interact with people, just not my thing.

I don't think not doing mind fucks in a relationship means you're predictable and boring, in a relationship I would find mind fucks deceptive and dishonest, I'd walk away if somebody with me, so I wouldn't put anybody else through it. I see it a bit like the difference between BDSM and abuse, in a scene the mind fuck is consensual, outside a scene it's manipulative.


Ah yes, I can get that. I used to mind fuck one of my subs badly outside of the bedroom. I think we women sometimes do it in subtle ways without realizing but with him it was completely intentional. I mentioned it before in a thread but I often debated him in politics just because how livid it would make him and how he would Google away furiously much to my amusement. A sub cannot enter a D/s or bdsm dynamic without expecting sadism attached or they might be really delusional. My sadism manifests in different ways and they have to be comfortable with that or flutter away. Ergo my revealing of it through my garish nature I mentioned. A sub cannot expect to be treated as a Domme, it just makes no sense in my view. I'm not always going to be polite or nice. This is from the position of a D/s relationship.
If you want polite, you don't want a D. Again, one person perspective like everything said thus far.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 4:44:45 PM)

LOL, I actually really get off on saying "Please" or "Would you mind", but that could be my fucked up sense of humour, I mean it's not like they have much of a choice ;)



kalikshama -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 5:30:04 PM)

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Original: LadyConstanze

I once convinced somebody that I would brand him with an iron (as in a clothes iron), had him strapped down, the iron plugged in, even tested it with a wet finger before I blindfolded him so he could hear the sizzle, in the end all I slapped on his shoulder was a packet of frozen fish fingers. The body can't distinguish if it's hot or cold, he was screaming his head off. Mission accomplished.


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Original: mummyman321

When I am speaking of mind fucks I specifically mean during play. For instance, being blindfold and then Domme threaten to cut me with a knife. She plays around with the knife for blindfolding me. Erotically teases me. Once blindfolded the teasing continues until all of a sudden she presses harder and I feel the flow of warm liquid down the area she was pressing on. With the use of ice cubes, a very dull knife, and some warm water a talented Domme can make you question whether she just actually cut you. All your senses tell you that you are cut. You can even fill the warm fluid flowing from your body but in your mind you know she would never do that to you!


Yes, I first heard the concept of mind fuck explained like this by John Warren.



Blonderfluff -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 5:33:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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Original: LadyConstanze

I once convinced somebody that I would brand him with an iron (as in a clothes iron), had him strapped down, the iron plugged in, even tested it with a wet finger before I blindfolded him so he could hear the sizzle, in the end all I slapped on his shoulder was a packet of frozen fish fingers. The body can't distinguish if it's hot or cold, he was screaming his head off. Mission accomplished.


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Original: mummyman321

When I am speaking of mind fucks I specifically mean during play. For instance, being blindfold and then Domme threaten to cut me with a knife. She plays around with the knife for blindfolding me. Erotically teases me. Once blindfolded the teasing continues until all of a sudden she presses harder and I feel the flow of warm liquid down the area she was pressing on. With the use of ice cubes, a very dull knife, and some warm water a talented Domme can make you question whether she just actually cut you. All your senses tell you that you are cut. You can even fill the warm fluid flowing from your body but in your mind you know she would never do that to you!


Yes, I first heard the concept of mind fuck explained like this by John Warren.


Yeah. I'm still thinking this would not be so fun.

Am I the weird one here??



LadyConstanze -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 5:44:08 PM)

It works for people who get off on fear in a particular scene... For them it has to be realistic.

I once did a really fun one that involved lambs testicles (had to find a halal butcher to get them) and we did a pretend castration scene, that's when I borrowed the electric knife a friend has (feels like a cut but doesn't actually cut) and had the lambs testicles hidden under the chair. The guy had always complained that it wasn't realistic enough, when he saw me holding the lambs testicles, the poor sod almost fainted. Hey, he asked for realistic ;)



MistressDarkArt -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 5:55:34 PM)

That was awesome, LadyC! [:D]



LadyConstanze -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 5:58:41 PM)

I really had fun with this one, apart from the fact it took us a while to stop him screaming and reassuring him that the family jewels were still in place (bloody idiot, really, the poor lambs testicles were much bigger than the marbles he had)



FieryOpal -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 6:21:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Blonderfluff

Yeah. I'm still thinking this would not be so fun.

Am I the weird one here??


No, I think not. It sounds as if it would be mandatory to have a sado-masochistic streak a mile wide for a mind-fuck dynamic to work.

You and I, and our respective partners, can content ourselves with being primal eroticists. [:D]



GoddessManko -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 6:29:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

I really had fun with this one, apart from the fact it took us a while to stop him screaming and reassuring him that the family jewels were still in place (bloody idiot, really, the poor lambs testicles were much bigger than the marbles he had)

Omg, my example was so freaking tame compared to this and now it's on my to do list, lol. I was really thinking of some way to toy with my one (seemingly) defiant sub. This is actually perfect. And you had me borderline guilt tripping over here, haha! Epicly played LadyC!

Edited to add: I was joking about pulling this stunt (where would i find raw goat balls in South Florida? ) NOT joking about it being tempting to pull on a defiant masochist. Some push your buttons just to have you push theirs. I'm sure people know what I mean in this particular regard.
I think sometimes people underestimate the amount of range in the lifestyle from mild to wild.



DesFIP -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 6:40:52 PM)

Mind fucks have no place with me. Either I believe he's going to do something horrific to me, which means I can't trust him to protect me or I don't believe him and conclude he's a liar.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 6:53:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Mind fucks have no place with me. Either I believe he's going to do something horrific to me, which means I can't trust him to protect me or I don't believe him and conclude he's a liar.


Some people get turned on by fear, I think a mind fuck is a good (and certainly more sane) alternative than really cutting somebody's balls off. I wouldn't just pull a mind fuck in a scene on anybody, but if somebody gets off on the scene being as realistic as possible, yeah, I can plot and plan for ages, it's actually fun for me.

I had one guy once confess that he always wanted somebody who's drunk and out of control, because he gets off on the fear, I wouldn't ever dream of doing a scene intoxicated, I need my wits about me, but let's just say that using brandy as a mouthwash and a brandy soaked tissue in the bra, pretending to slur your words and stumble, a bit of knife play also around a sensitive part of the male body (especially if said knife was in the freezer department before and you pretend that you used numbing cream on him - vaseline with a drop of tea tree oil works well for the realistic smell) and a piece of raw liver, can have amazingly realistic results, especially if you scream "fuck, I slipped" and hold up the raw liver.

I think he got it out of his system, he was shit scared (which was the result he wanted), I had fun, he had fun (or at least the fear he wanted) and no harm was done.

Depends all on what you want and what your idea of a good time is.



Blonderfluff -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 7:05:06 PM)

I kinda like fear of the unknown. It's the faking part that I think is just not for me.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 7:06:27 PM)

LOL, well I guess I'm not a real sadist because I wasn't ready to cut the guys testicles off ;)



Blonderfluff -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 7:09:21 PM)

Omg!!!


You crack me up.




FightingChains -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 7:10:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Edited to add: I was joking about pulling this stunt (where would i find raw goat balls in South Florida? ) NOT joking about it being tempting to pull on a defiant masochist. Some push your buttons just to have you push theirs. I'm sure people know what I mean in this particular regard.
I think sometimes people underestimate the amount of range in the lifestyle from mild to wild.



Oh you're just describing me there hehehehe. I'm an asshole when we're mucking around like that. Pushing buttons is so much fuckin fun.



RedMagic1 -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 7:22:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AlphaFemsRule
There's something sexy about the idea of a woman bending my mind to get what she wants or mentally controlling me in some way. Probably because the very act of adapting my behavior to suit her preferences is one of the fundamentals of submission.

This sounds more like "obedience training" to me than mind-fuckery. And it doesn't just occur within the context of D/s. There's a long history of vanilla sub women making X happen by creating a situation where the husband thought that X was his idea. So really, I think you're describing what was traditionally called "
"feminine wiles."

A mind-fuck is more like an emotionally-laden magic trick. It has a start and an end, and its purpose is usually to scare the bejeezus out of the sub and then show that everything is ok after all.

I don't enjoy mindfucks, but there's a variation on them that is one of my favorite things, kind of a fetish I have developed over time. I enjoy making something happen for a woman that she never thought would ever occur -- blowing her mind. It feels a bit like taking her mental virginity. I figure out something she's never done but always wanted to, and then we do it. Often it's sexual, but sometimes it isn't, and it doesn't have to be super fancy. A recent example was that I took a lady out to a gourmet burger joint and bought her a duck burger, because she had mentioned she'd never eaten duck. Then I gave her a long slow massage to orgasm. She said it was the most romantic dinner she'd ever had, and wanted to do everything I asked of her for the rest of the night.

That last point gets back to your OP. I think a lot of inspiring submission -- at least in a healthy way -- is to show the person through example that "your life is better if you trust me and follow me than if you stay on your own." Instead of relying on sub frenzy or hotness-factor, it's possible to demonstrate that through action.



ARIES83 -> RE: Mind fuck (3/27/2014 9:59:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

We would, each and everyone of us, like to believe that we are bright enough to be above having someone manipulate us into doing something. If it is true or not is an individual thing. As for a game of chess, that is how I view almost every part of wiitwd. I know some people take offense at it but for me it has always been a game, and one I always intend to win. Of course there have been times when I didn't win but...live and learn. It has always made my game better the next time around. But then if you ask me chess is not only a good way to describe mental bondage but life itself. Of course I would say it is a little more like Three-dimensional chess (think Star Trek) than the kind most people are used to playing.


I wish I liked chess as much as I like your thinking.[sm=biggrin.gif]



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