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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

not sure where you get your info but there was no UNSUALLY BIG FLOOD in 2008...

MAYBE a slightly large flood but nothing MONSTER.

the only place I am aware of they bought out land was in st Charles, there might have been a few other places I am unaware of, but when you consider the fact that almost the ENTIRE city of st Charles was underwater in that flood, buying a few acres next to the river and making it a park was hardly sensible

I'd really like a LINK to the site you mention, pretty much every other site I have found said hey it RAINED ALOT

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

For example, Alabama points out that when the big floods hit the midwest, that people in California chided people for living in a flood plane, and it is the pot calling the kettle black. What he left out is that the federal government, thanks to pressure from both congressmen in that area and the river shipping industry, had the army corps of engineers reroute the mississippi, both to make it more navigable, and also ironically to reduce flooding in certain areas to make them more attractive to build houses..and what happened was they created an even bigger mess (by moving the river, they took away the natural means of the river to handle high water, and all the levees in the world won't stop it). Since then they have bought out people in the area they stupidly allowed to live there, and have let the river go back to more its natural banks.

I'd sure like to see some documentation of these claims, I have lived in st Louis for aprox 50 years.

fact is the flood you are referring to was a FREAK OF NATURE, the area you refer to being bought out had that happen all of THAT ONE TIME even though people had been living there for over 200 years

as for them letting the river go back to is more NATURAL course, where did you get THAT FROM?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2003-07-07/news/0307070177_1_higher-ground-valmeyer-great-flood

Which trumps the firsthand knowledge of those of us who have actually lived on the river.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Dude, your ignorance of what LA County building requirements are is flat out fucking staggering.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

For example, Alabama points out that when the big floods hit the midwest, that people in California chided people for living in a flood plane, and it is the pot calling the kettle black. What he left out is that the federal government, thanks to pressure from both congressmen in that area and the river shipping industry, had the army corps of engineers reroute the mississippi, both to make it more navigable, and also ironically to reduce flooding in certain areas to make them more attractive to build houses..and what happened was they created an even bigger mess (by moving the river, they took away the natural means of the river to handle high water, and all the levees in the world won't stop it). Since then they have bought out people in the area they stupidly allowed to live there, and have let the river go back to more its natural banks.

I'd sure like to see some documentation of these claims, I have lived in st Louis for aprox 50 years.

fact is the flood you are referring to was a FREAK OF NATURE, the area you refer to being bought out had that happen all of THAT ONE TIME even though people had been living there for over 200 years

as for them letting the river go back to is more NATURAL course, where did you get THAT FROM?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2003-07-07/news/0307070177_1_higher-ground-valmeyer-great-flood

Which trumps the firsthand knowledge of those of us who have actually lived on the river.

Another source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valmeyer,_Illinois

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

For example, Alabama points out that when the big floods hit the midwest, that people in California chided people for living in a flood plane, and it is the pot calling the kettle black. What he left out is that the federal government, thanks to pressure from both congressmen in that area and the river shipping industry, had the army corps of engineers reroute the mississippi, both to make it more navigable, and also ironically to reduce flooding in certain areas to make them more attractive to build houses..and what happened was they created an even bigger mess (by moving the river, they took away the natural means of the river to handle high water, and all the levees in the world won't stop it). Since then they have bought out people in the area they stupidly allowed to live there, and have let the river go back to more its natural banks.

I'd sure like to see some documentation of these claims, I have lived in st Louis for aprox 50 years.

fact is the flood you are referring to was a FREAK OF NATURE, the area you refer to being bought out had that happen all of THAT ONE TIME even though people had been living there for over 200 years

as for them letting the river go back to is more NATURAL course, where did you get THAT FROM?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2003-07-07/news/0307070177_1_higher-ground-valmeyer-great-flood

Which trumps the firsthand knowledge of those of us who have actually lived on the river.

Another source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valmeyer,_Illinois

And still you would think firsthand knowledge would count for more, but I guess not in your world.

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Everybody living on a fault line ought to live in house suspended from a hot air balloon.

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Dude, your ignorance of what LA County building requirements are is flat out fucking staggering.

Let's exapnd a bit, for the benefit of those without a clue.

The reason people want to live in the canyons, or in the hillsides and hilltops is because those are some damn pretty places to live. Fire and erosion are part of the natural cycle here, and as we have learned about the dynamic landscape here, the codes and requirements are in constant evolution and change. That change occurs at such a rapid pace that any sort of clear list of guidelines simply doesn't exist.

Building approvals must go through a minimum of 4 separate agencies - Regional Planning for zoning and land use, the appropriate water agency for a will-serve letter or Public Health for well permits and inspections, Building and Safety for the grading/drainage and structural design approvals, and then Fire, which change their requirements at an insane frequency. Brush clearance requirements, as of today, are at a 100 foot minimum from structures. Defensible space is the order of the day, and it worked pretty damn well in the Powerhouse Fire, which was our most recent biggie.

The Station Fire, the last massive one, became as extreme as it was because of a dumbass US Forest Service rule about firefighting aircraft that has been changed since then.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

and right there in your very own article is says, "About 15 families elected to stay below in a beautiful but vulnerable valley carved by melting glacial waters. Some of those families remain, and a few bargain hunters have also moved in."

soooooooo what's your point?

that a FEW communities MOVED?

3 out of thousands?

"While relocating entire communities is rare, it's not unprecedented.

Besides Valmeyer, two smaller Missouri towns--Pattonsburg and Rhineland--were moved to higher ground following the 1993 flood."

the funny part is if valmeyer has a pop of 800 and the other two were smaller we are talking no more than 2400 people total, more people were displaced by that park in st Charles I mentioned

also its kinda important to mention these people were given the OPTION to move, not have the gov't BUY the land and MAKE THEM MOVE

this from your article substantiates what bama and I have said it was a FLUKE OF NATURE..

"The town had endured three floods since Swiss and German farmers incorporated it in 1909. But the floods of 1943, 1944 and 1947 were nothing compared with the roof-topping waters that washed away homes and belongings in 1993."

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

and right there in your very own article is says, "About 15 families elected to stay below in a beautiful but vulnerable valley carved by melting glacial waters. Some of those families remain, and a few bargain hunters have also moved in."

soooooooo what's your point?

that a FEW communities MOVED?

3 out of thousands?

"While relocating entire communities is rare, it's not unprecedented.

Besides Valmeyer, two smaller Missouri towns--Pattonsburg and Rhineland--were moved to higher ground following the 1993 flood."

the funny part is if valmeyer has a pop of 800 and the other two were smaller we are talking no more than 2400 people total, more people were displaced by that park in st Charles I mentioned

also its kinda important to mention these people were given the OPTION to move, not have the gov't BUY the land and MAKE THEM MOVE

this from your article substantiates what bama and I have said it was a FLUKE OF NATURE..

"The town had endured three floods since Swiss and German farmers incorporated it in 1909. But the floods of 1943, 1944 and 1947 were nothing compared with the roof-topping waters that washed away homes and belongings in 1993."

4 floods in less than 90 years isn't a fluke of nature. That's a regular occurrence.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

and right there in your very own article is says, "About 15 families elected to stay below in a beautiful but vulnerable valley carved by melting glacial waters. Some of those families remain, and a few bargain hunters have also moved in."

soooooooo what's your point?

that a FEW communities MOVED?

3 out of thousands?

"While relocating entire communities is rare, it's not unprecedented.

Besides Valmeyer, two smaller Missouri towns--Pattonsburg and Rhineland--were moved to higher ground following the 1993 flood."

the funny part is if valmeyer has a pop of 800 and the other two were smaller we are talking no more than 2400 people total, more people were displaced by that park in st Charles I mentioned

also its kinda important to mention these people were given the OPTION to move, not have the gov't BUY the land and MAKE THEM MOVE

this from your article substantiates what bama and I have said it was a FLUKE OF NATURE..

"The town had endured three floods since Swiss and German farmers incorporated it in 1909. But the floods of 1943, 1944 and 1947 were nothing compared with the roof-topping waters that washed away homes and belongings in 1993."

4 floods in less than 90 years isn't a fluke of nature. That's a regular occurrence.

We gave up about two blocks of our town to flooding on a regular basis.
But those floods were nothing compared to 93. Had they not just put a new levee on our side of
the river just before 93 it would have been a disaster.
4 floods in 90years are nothing.
Of those 4 only 93 was massive, thus you provide us with "sound and fury, signifying nothing".

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
A 100 foot clearance? Is that supposed to do anything? What happens when there is a fire? Do they evacuate? Do they worry about losing the canyon homes? YES! So clearly 100 feet is not enough. What would be sufficient Fireproof shingles and not building in the canyons at all but the developers won't have that so your taxes are higher so rich assholes can have nice views.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
A 100 foot clearance? Is that supposed to do anything? What happens when there is a fire? Do they evacuate? Do they worry about losing the canyon homes? YES! So clearly 100 feet is not enough. What would be sufficient Fireproof shingles and not building in the canyons at all but the developers won't have that so your taxes are higher so rich assholes can have nice views.

Don't ever let reality get between you and a 30 year outdated talking point, Ken.

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Have the building codes changed? Have the fires changed? Really has anything changed in those the 30 years?

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But no one is building homes around Niagara, I hope, without taking into account snow fall loads and wild Canadians. In this case the developers and the local government simply ignored the warnings that the hillside was a probable mudslide.