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new UN report on climate change - 3/31/2014 4:35:08 PM   
deathtothepixies


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seems fairly damning to me but plenty for the deniers to get stuck into, and I am sure they will, I guess it depends on whether you are happy fucking over the planet for your own personal profit or whether you want your kids and grandkids to have anything like the privileges that you have enjoyed
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RE: new UN report on climate change - 3/31/2014 5:58:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think it's even that. I think people affiliate with their particular political party and don't want to admit that they, or they're party, are wrong. It's really an ego thing rather than a science thing. If people really did want to understand the debate, they'd look at it on both sides, and with all the biases in mind. When you look at the denier side, you notice a lot of groups affiliated with oil companies. When you look at the scientific side, you see the actual science and every refutation in the book which tries to fight back against misinformation. It's not easy when you got the world's wealth fighting against ya.

Also thank you for using the term climate change. I talked with my prof today about the report you linked to, and she said the term "Global warming" is just as misleading as it is false. The world is technically warming, but it's not as much warming as much as it is adding energy to the climate system, which results in many side affects unrelated to temperature, and others that are. I know to many that adding energy and increasing temperature is largely the same thing, but it's like comparing the terms Pro-life and Anti-abortion. Words have power when used in the right way, and the idea of global warming is misleading in the sense that there is much more going on than simply turning up the thermostat and turning siberia into the next tropical destination.

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 3/31/2014 6:04:16 PM   
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RE: new UN report on climate change - 3/31/2014 6:07:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		...um, that is not what I said, I said we have 50+ years before shit starts hitting the fan. I never said that we'd be all dead. If you had asked what shit hitting the fan means, you'd be surprised that it doesn't mean everyone is going to be dead. It means we'd be in for some very hard times in a number of ways. If you're going to try and insult someone, use a bit more intelligence than that, if you're even capable of it that is

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 3/31/2014 8:15:56 PM   
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As I understand it, one of the contributing scientists to the report refused to put his name on the final version because it failed to mention any positive effects that will occur because of human ingenuity. He said it was filled with too much "gloom and doom".

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 3/31/2014 10:01:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have listened to Pablos Holman who is a top hacker turned inventor and he works at Intellectual Ventures in WA state.. there are several Ted talks with him... he is interesting to listen to and funny also.. here is one Ted talk where he talks about some of the projects they are working on, at about 7:30 minutes he talks about hurricane suppression, after that he talks about using a hose to spray sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere to reduce the temperature back down to pre-industrial levels (so solving the climate change thing), after that he talks about using nuclear waste to solve the energy problem.. imo he is quite entertaining and informative..

Basically, the real problem here is that the solutions presented by the UN, Gore, etc take too long, cost too much and its too late to implement them now, you need something like this hose to bring about the change that's needed..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kga-CHf-pU

Here the hose idea is also talked about in more detail.. listen to the part about the volcano and how it spewing stuff into the atmosphere lowered the temperature of the earth for 2 years.. this shows the hose idea is viable.. oh, and eat kangaroo instead of beef (cuz cows pollute more than anything else lol)
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Books/video?id=8898203

http://www.intellectualventures.com/inventions-patents/iv-lab Intellectual Ventures website



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RE: new UN report on climate change - 4/1/2014 6:58:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		While I agree with adjusting the thermostat, they're only temporary fixes until we can remove the carbon from the atmosphere. Plus we wouldn't want to make any efforts which result in unintended consequences that make things worse, not better. But that's a whole other issue all together.

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 4/1/2014 7:14:15 PM   
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I'm just sorry they were right. I miss snow, dammit. And lawdy, all those hurricanes have been awful.

K.

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 4/1/2014 7:25:15 PM   
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All actions have unintended bad consequences.

Science has never fixed anything with causing a host of other problems.

But its too late, we had the scientific revolution, we as a species had an orgy of using energy to make our lives longer and more comfortable, and we have fucked up the planet in a massive way.

And we may not survive much longer.

It's spilt milk now.



Yeah. I'd much rather live in prehistoric times. Where the life expectancy was.. you know.. 25.
Without things like medicine. Phones. Roads.

A little known fact is that the IPCC prescription is to reduce energy usage back to where America was in the 1850s.

So if you like lighting kerosene lamps, travelling by horse and buggy, well.. support the leftists. Of course that would mean most of us would starve.....

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 4/1/2014 8:01:41 PM   
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http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/embracing-idiocy-creationism-climate-change-denial-and-birthers/

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 4/1/2014 8:14:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Also a little known fact, deniers of all creeds are known to have lower intelligence. Go figure

http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/embracing-idiocy-creationism-climate-change-denial-and-birthers/


And once again, your cite doesn't say that.

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 4/1/2014 8:41:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Also a little known fact, deniers of all creeds are known to have lower intelligence. Go figure

http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/embracing-idiocy-creationism-climate-change-denial-and-birthers/



That is an interesting link. Now tell me something and please be honest. When you typed that you felt a little better about yourself right? Just that feeling that your a little smarter than all those people and now you have a link to prove it. Superiority will do that to a person.

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 4/2/2014 7:00:26 AM   
Tkman117


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Status: offline 		Oh I know I'm smarter, it's just funny to see deniers struggle with the truth is all

But I digress, this has already gotten too off topic as it is.

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 4/2/2014 7:51:09 AM   
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While I agree with adjusting the thermostat, they're only temporary fixes until we can remove the carbon from the atmosphere. Plus we wouldn't want to make any efforts which result in unintended consequences that make things worse, not better. But that's a whole other issue all together.

they can be just temporary while the strategies that take longer can finally work.. if you look at Intellectual Ventures nuclear thingie, it would use nuclear waste to produce energy that would reduce the use of oil and reduce those climate change effects.. that would be a huge accomplishment imo..

don't forget you can do your bit by not eating beef & eating more less polluting critters instead..

I totally disagree with that whole carbon credit scam.. imo it just gives the major polluters an excuse to continue their polluting ways instead of innovating and inventing less polluting processes..

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 4/2/2014 7:54:04 AM   
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RE: new UN report on climate change - 4/2/2014 7:59:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		You know I remember one of my environmental economics profs explaining that there is serious gridlock when it comes to regulations and technology. Which means that the regulations that are in place today (In Canada anyway) are decades old and demand a kind of efficiency from factories and other carbon producing sources that aren't sufficient to reduce emissions the way we hope to. There are new technologies today which ARE efficient enough to get the same job done with less carbon, but these technologies can't be implemented because they don't correspond to these regulations. It's a weird scenario and apparently it's been a major issue up here for a while now, since legislators don't want to change the rules because they tend to see it as an effort to disrupt these regulations instead of improving them.

I personally don't know the whole story or all the details, I'm just recounting what I remember him saying in a lecture, but I'm daily certain this is the gist of the story :P

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 4/2/2014 10:03:29 AM   
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It's a weird scenario and apparently it's been a major issue up here for a while now, since legislators don't want to change the rules because they tend to see it as an effort to disrupt these regulations instead of improving them.


my take would be that its the old stingy squeeze-every-penny-out corps and manufacturers that don't want to spend money buying the new technologies and who would rather spend money on lobbyists that keep the regs from changing.. you know how two-faced those f'n politicians can be, they tell the public/voters one thing but behind the scenes do another to satisfy the lobbyists..

Sorry to tell ya but colleges, universities & the profs are there to tell ya what the corporations want cuz the corps need good little brainwashed humanbots to work for them.. you don't think a corp is gonna spend money if they don't have to, do you? its much better for them, PR wise, if they can blame the lack of change on something else..

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 4/2/2014 10:27:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I personally can't remember exactly what the reason was to be honest, it was about a year ago that I had that lecture so I really don't know. My prof was an environmental economist, working primarily in the field of resource management, so while I don't know him well enough to defend him, he did discuss that he and a business prof I think, debated each other frequently on climate change, which he supported quite vocally.

I go to the University of Guelph, and it's apparently one of the best natural science universities in the country, those who work here and study natural sciences truly understand it. We're extremely liberal and we know where all of our money goes and where all of the school's money comes from. And while I agree that there are likely corporations dipping their fingers into universities in various places, I can attest that I have yet to meet an environmental prof of any kind here that has a view point that is against the scientific consensus. If there was then I highly doubt he'd be working at the university.

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 4/2/2014 11:12:18 AM   
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I personally can't remember exactly what the reason was to be honest, it was about a year ago that I had that lecture so I really don't know. My prof was an environmental economist, working primarily in the field of resource management, so while I don't know him well enough to defend him, he did discuss that he and a business prof I think, debated each other frequently on climate change, which he supported quite vocally.

I go to the University of Guelph, and it's apparently one of the best natural science universities in the country, those who work here and study natural sciences truly understand it. We're extremely liberal and we know where all of our money goes and where all of the school's money comes from. And while I agree that there are likely corporations dipping their fingers into universities in various places, I can attest that I have yet to meet an environmental prof of any kind here that has a view point that is against the scientific consensus. If there was then I highly doubt he'd be working at the university.


And exactly there's the problem.

Your school - and most schools in the United States have a profound liberal bias. Liberal teachers outnumber conservatives 4:1.

You don't value diversity of thought, or other points of view - at all.

And rather than question that - you embrace it. Sad really.

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RE: new UN report on climate change - 4/2/2014 11:31:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

I personally can't remember exactly what the reason was to be honest, it was about a year ago that I had that lecture so I really don't know. My prof was an environmental economist, working primarily in the field of resource management, so while I don't know him well enough to defend him, he did discuss that he and a business prof I think, debated each other frequently on climate change, which he supported quite vocally.

I go to the University of Guelph, and it's apparently one of the best natural science universities in the country, those who work here and study natural sciences truly understand it. We're extremely liberal and we know where all of our money goes and where all of the school's money comes from. And while I agree that there are likely corporations dipping their fingers into universities in various places, I can attest that I have yet to meet an environmental prof of any kind here that has a view point that is against the scientific consensus. If there was then I highly doubt he'd be working at the university.

I will repeat.. universities, colleges, Profs, etc are there to make you a viable employee to some corporation, and it doesn't matter if they are libs or conservatives, that is their job.. to get you the "skills" and brainwashing you need to get hired (once hired you go on to get even more brainwashing).. corporations don't want shit disturbers.. if you are one of those you will be shown the door tout suite.. that is why I did only 1 year in college & didn't bother going back, it wasn't the kinda "learning" I wanted.. you want to learn what is taught in university? go to the uni bookstore and buy the same books.. that's a hellova lot cheaper, saves you tens of thousands of dollars.. of course, if your goal is to be a powerless cog in the corporate wheel, then you are paying a lot of $$$ for a piece of paper just to get that..

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