RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply

RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion

Message

BamaD -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/11/2014 8:30:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Then you are ignoring the magazines position that the "drop" in crime is the result, not of one harsh winter, or the impending ability of "victims" to defend themselves, but to corruption in Chicago deliberately refusing to report crimes as such creating the illusion of improvement. The post you were attacking makes as much sense as crime dropped last summer because this was a harsh winter now doesn't it? It is pretty cear that you are completely unaware of what my position is on this subject. If you are trying to make us aware that it is to soon for the elimination of their gun ban or the rulings on concealed carry to have had any noticeable effect I said that in my first post on this thread. If you weren't just focusing on pro gun people you would have no problem agreeing that claiming that this winter being harsh explains it is also false as the rates dropped during the previous summer which not only wasn't bitterly cold but predated this winter.

thompsonx -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/12/2014 1:54:43 PM)
If you weren't just focusing on pro gun people Please try to get the stick out of your ass. you would have no problem agreeing that claiming that this winter being harsh explains it is also false as the rates dropped during the previous summer which not only wasn't bitterly cold but predated this winter. Did the rates drop equally? If they did then your position would be valid if they show a greater drop in cold weather then you would have instead a plate full of turds.

BamaD -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/12/2014 3:09:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx If you weren't just focusing on pro gun people Please try to get the stick out of your ass. you would have no problem agreeing that claiming that this winter being harsh explains it is also false as the rates dropped during the previous summer which not only wasn't bitterly cold but predated this winter. Did the rates drop equally? If they did then your position would be valid if they show a greater drop in cold weather then you would have instead a plate full of turds. Since you failed to comprehend my post I will make another attempt to make it clear, although I suspect you just do not want to understand. I said at the outset of this thread that the changes to gun control had not been in place long enough to cause the drops. When a person grasping at anything (except apparently logic) to argue with claimed that the crime drop (which had been going on for a year and a half) was because the weather this winter was particularly harsh. I pointed out the obviously absurd nature of this comment. You however are pretending that I have taken stands on both of these which are diametrically opposed to what I have said.

thompsonx -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/14/2014 5:11:34 PM)
Since you failed to comprehend my post I will make another attempt to make it clear, That is awful sweet of you. although I suspect you just do not want to understand. Some more of that "military intelligence" training in mind reading? I said at the outset of this thread that the changes to gun control had not been in place long enough to cause the drops. Not till page 4...here is what you said in post #2 "No, it can't be the left has assured us that every time someone uses a gun in self defense it is a crime! Although the effect the overturning the gun ban could only have had a measurable effect so soon would be because of the criminal element's fear that victims could be armed. I doubt there has been a major influx of legal guns in Chicago." While you "doubt that there is any major influx of legal guns in chicago" You still pimp the concept that the ccw law was a cause of the drop in violent crime. When a person grasping at anything (except apparently logic) to argue with claimed that the crime drop (which had been going on for a year and a half) was because the weather this winter was particularly harsh. That was not my claim. I questioned whether the drop was the same for both winter and not winter...please try to disagree with what I actually say and not what you feel you can attack. I pointed out the obviously absurd nature of this comment. You however are pretending that I have taken stands on both of these which are diametrically opposed to what I have said. You said "Although the effect the overturning the gun ban could only have had a measurable effect so soon would be because of the criminal element's fear that victims could be armed." Then you said " I doubt there has been a major influx of legal guns in Chicago. See I clearly stated that there couldn't be enough legal guns in circulation to have an effect How can so many people fail to comprehend that this is what I said" Actually many do comprehend that these two statements of yours are mutually contradictory .

BamaD -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/14/2014 6:42:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Since you failed to comprehend my post I will make another attempt to make it clear, That is awful sweet of you. although I suspect you just do not want to understand. Some more of that "military intelligence" training in mind reading? I said at the outset of this thread that the changes to gun control had not been in place long enough to cause the drops. Not till page 4...here is what you said in post #2 "No, it can't be the left has assured us that every time someone uses a gun in self defense it is a crime! Although the effect the overturning the gun ban could only have had a measurable effect so soon would be because of the criminal element's fear that victims could be armed. I doubt there has been a major influx of legal guns in Chicago." While you "doubt that there is any major influx of legal guns in chicago" You still pimp the concept that the ccw law was a cause of the drop in violent crime. When a person grasping at anything (except apparently logic) to argue with claimed that the crime drop (which had been going on for a year and a half) was because the weather this winter was particularly harsh. That was not my claim. I questioned whether the drop was the same for both winter and not winter...please try to disagree with what I actually say and not what you feel you can attack. I pointed out the obviously absurd nature of this comment. You however are pretending that I have taken stands on both of these which are diametrically opposed to what I have said. You said "Although the effect the overturning the gun ban could only have had a measurable effect so soon would be because of the criminal element's fear that victims could be armed." Then you said " I doubt there has been a major influx of legal guns in Chicago. See I clearly stated that there couldn't be enough legal guns in circulation to have an effect How can so many people fail to comprehend that this is what I said" Actually many do comprehend that these two statements of yours are mutually contradictory . A. Anyone should understand the difference between could only effect and saying that it is what happened. B. Since I did not say that crime dropped because the criminals feared armed victims it does not constitute a contradiction to say that there was not an influx of legal weapons to cause it to happen. C. I didn't say you claimed weather was responsible for the drop, just that you seemed unconcerned with that absurdity and that this betrayed a bias on your part. Pro gunners who made a spurious claim are to be constantly attacked for it, but anti gunners who say something absurd are ignored. D. Ok I didn't mention my disbelief in the issuing of CCWs as the cause of the crime drop till page 4, but I have not, in spite of your misreading of my posts said that it was.

dcnovice -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/14/2014 6:54:56 PM)
FR It says something interesting about CM that we could have a nine-page thread based on a premise that blew up three posts after the OP. [:)]

thompsonx -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/15/2014 6:01:42 AM)
A. Anyone should understand the difference between could only effect and saying that it is what happened. B. Since I did not say that crime dropped because the criminals feared armed victims it does not constitute a contradiction to say that there was not an influx of legal weapons to cause it to happen. C. I didn't say you claimed weather was responsible for the drop, just that you seemed unconcerned with that absurdity and that this betrayed a bias on your part. Pro gunners who made a spurious claim are to be constantly attacked for it, but anti gunners who say something absurd are ignored. D. Ok I didn't mention my disbelief in the issuing of CCWs as the cause of the crime drop till page 4, but I have not, in spite of your misreading of my posts said that it was. You don't dance worth a shit.

Phydeaux -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/15/2014 6:37:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR It says something interesting about CM that we could have a nine-page thread based on a premise that blew up three posts after the OP. [:)] Quite to the contrary. I don't hold that the OP blew up at all. It has served its purpose admirably. Namely. The left would have you believe that relaxing gun controls invariably leads to higher violence, gun crime etc. That is as demonstrably untrue now, as it was at the original post.

mnottertail -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/15/2014 6:56:06 AM)
It is not demonstrably true, since it has never been demonstrated.

Musicmystery -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/15/2014 10:00:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR It says something interesting about CM that we could have a nine-page thread based on a premise that blew up three posts after the OP. [:)] It says something. "Interesting" isn't the word I'd go to.

thompsonx -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/15/2014 3:10:32 PM)
Quite to the contrary. I don't hold that the OP blew up at all. It has served its purpose admirably. Namely. The left would have you believe that relaxing gun controls invariably leads to higher violence, gun crime etc. That is as demonstrably untrue now, as it was at the original post. Actually this is nothig more than unsubstantiated opinion repeated ad nauseum.

Phydeaux -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/15/2014 8:54:23 PM)
Which part? You're saying the left doesn't believe that relaxing gun control doesn't invariably lead to higher violence? Really? So you'd agree that sometimes gun control leads to higher violence?

thompsonx -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/16/2014 4:58:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Which part? Since you cannot possibly know everyone on the left it is more than a little presumptious to claim to speak to the beliefs of the left. You're saying the left doesn't believe that relaxing gun control doesn't invariably lead to higher violence? No you said that. Is it true that the brady bill is named for ragun's mouthpiece? Is it true that the brady bill is an extremly draconian gun control bill? So you'd agree that sometimes gun control leads to higher violence? Do you have any proof of that?

dcnovice -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/17/2014 11:49:50 AM)
quote: It says something. "Interesting" isn't the word I'd go to. LOL! [:)] "Interesting" is my family's go-to adjective for something we're too polite to slam. Me: "How was the play?" Mom: "Well, it was interesting . . . ." Sometimes for variety, we use "different."

mnottertail -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/17/2014 11:51:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Which part? You're saying the left doesn't believe that relaxing gun control doesn't invariably lead to higher violence? Really? So you'd agree that sometimes gun control leads to higher violence? So you'd agree that sometimes no gun control leads to higher violence? (As actually has been demonstrated).

Page: << < prev 5 6 7 8 [9]

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.046875