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RE: Why do men treat women like sex objects? - 4/14/2014 6:22:41 PM   
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Political entities rely on funding to continue at the same or higher level as previous years. If you want facts, instead of spin, you're much more likely to get them from the citations on crowdsourced Wikipedia articles (where lots of points of view are represented), instead of a government pamphlet.


Wikipedia relies on individuals posting to generate their entries.

So anything put out by the "government" is not valid and and submissions written by random people are legitimate? Um, no, that's not accurate. How about this from 2010 by the National Center for Victims of Crime? "At some point during their lifetime, 36 percent of women—or approximately 42.4 million—were victims of rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner." The source is "Michelle Black et al., The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey: 2010 Summary Report, (Atlanta, GA: National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2011), 39, accessed September 27, 2012, http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf."

Current enough?

You don't want to believe that the rates are that high or that males are the overwhelming perpetrators statistically by the numbers and evidence to the support this, great. Yea, it's not what anyone wants to hear. It's a horrible commentary on our society. You want to believe that the government is just lying about this and you shouldn't believe their information, wonderful. That's your right to have your belief on whatever, whether it bares out or not. It is what it is. Women need to stay informed and we all need to work toward a less violent society.

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RE: Why? - 4/14/2014 6:32:51 PM   
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I'll rephrase. I've yet to hear a woman yell anything sexual at a man who was jogging or walking down the street.


Well, my girlfriends and I do sexually objectify men. Shirtless, gorgeous body, yum yum, perhaps we just smile at him and enjoy the view, instead of saying anything vulgar, but we're thinking it. And of course, I don't mind being sexually objectified myself. Doesn't bother me. There is power in it actually if a man sexually objectifies you, more so than a man who cares more about personality. When they are going ga ga over your physical appearance, you can literally make them do anything for you. If they are these shallow types.

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RE: Why? - 4/14/2014 6:34:44 PM   
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I'll rephrase. I've yet to hear a woman yell anything sexual at a man who was jogging or walking down the street.


Well, my girlfriends and I do sexually objectify men. Shirtless, gorgeous body, yum yum, perhaps we just smile at him and enjoy the view, instead of saying anything vulgar, but we're thinking it.


Yeah, but you'd only stroke it - which doesn't hurt, and doesn't make a man pregnant.

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RE: Why? - 4/14/2014 6:36:56 PM   
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Yeah, but you'd only stroke it - which doesn't hurt, and doesn't make a man pregnant.

A woman don't get pregnant unless she's been raped or she was a willing party to pregnancy. So what has pregnancy got to do with sexual objectification?

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RE: Why do men treat women like sex objects? - 4/14/2014 6:37:47 PM   
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So anything put out by the "government" is not valid and and submissions written by random people are legitimate? Um, no, that's not accurate. How about this from 2010 by the National Center for Victims of Crime? "At some point during their lifetime, 36 percent of women—or approximately 42.4 million—were victims of rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner." The source is "Michelle Black et al., The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey: 2010 Summary Report, (Atlanta, GA: National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2011), 39, accessed September 27, 2012, http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf."

Current enough?

Sure. Your link is broken, but this link works.

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf

If you compare Tables 4.9 and 4.10, which summarize "Prevalence of Psychological Aggression by an Intimate Partner," you'll see that women are victims 48.4% of the time, while men are victims 48.8% of the time, over a lifetime. If you compare Tables 4.7 and 4.8, you'll see there's only a 5% difference between the rate of women and men being "slapped, pushed or shoved."

Where the gender differences arise is in the physical severity of the violence, not the frequency of the violence, nor in who is more likely to instigate the violence. Men and women are about equally likely to hit first, or to isolate their partner so they can't see their friends and family anymore. But men are much more likely to kill, or to perform a murder/suicide. That's a small percentage of DV cases, but if it bleeds it leads, so it makes big news when it happens. As a result, I think most people believe men are far more likely to engage in DV than women. That's a perception contrary to the facts as they are currently understood.

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RE: Why do men treat women like sex objects? - 4/14/2014 6:38:58 PM   
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I'll rephrase. I've yet to hear a woman yell anything sexual at a man who was jogging or walking down the street.

Well, my girlfriends and I do sexually objectify men. Shirtless, gorgeous body, yum yum, perhaps we just smile at him and enjoy the view, instead of saying anything vulgar, but we're thinking it.

Yeah, but you'd only stroke it - which doesn't hurt, and doesn't make a man pregnant.

Ahem, Peon. Care to clarify what you mean by "stroke it"?

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RE: Why do men treat women like sex objects? - 4/14/2014 6:45:36 PM   
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Ahem, Peon. Care to clarify what you mean by "stroke it"?

Run my fingers through his washboard abs or pecs on his chest?

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RE: Why do men treat women like sex objects? - 4/14/2014 8:09:50 PM   
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Ahem, Peon. Care to clarify what you mean by "stroke it"?

Run my fingers through his washboard abs or pecs on his chest?


Uh, no Greta, that's not quite what it means here in the U.S. I'm not sure about in the UK, whether it would be closer to what you're thinking, as in teasing or being demonstratively flirtatious.

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RE: Why? - 4/14/2014 10:16:53 PM   
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I've been on this site for a few years now. I am a Fin Domme and I know a lot of people hear those two words and automatically judge or think my opinion isn't valid. I know that being a Fin Domme also upsets a lot of men listed as submissive bc many feel that Fin Dommes are responsible for other dominant woman not being willing to act a fetish delivery system. I receive harassing messages daily. I'm also on a vanilla dating site and I relieve sexual harassing messages daily as well. On the vanilla site they tend to be more sexual in nature. I made a point not to post photos of me wearing anything low cut or revealing because I'm a C cup and I didn't want to be judged on the size of my bust. I had one photo that I didn't consider revealing, I was in a tank top and was hiking in the photo. I took it down shortly after I uploaded it bc I received dozens of messages about "my tits." I regularly receive crude sexual propositions on the vanilla site. Most of them are in a more aggressive nature. Where as on here I get called a whore, prostitute, etc and it's always by profiles identified as males. I think in my three years on here I got two messages that were what I would consider mean by profiles that identified as females. The harassment on here as I mentioned is more the distaste of findom, a lot of Doms telling me I have to submit to them, men who are angry I won't dominate them in the specific way they want, completely random unsolicited harassment, etc. It's weird bc on the vanilla site where I actually have my photos up I have never gotten negative messages about my appearance. But here where I have no photos of my face or body I get told I'm fat, ugly, etc, etc. The most recent was a slave today who sent me a message telling me he wanted to rip the "cow ring" referring to my lip ring, out of my face. My male friends on vanilla dating sites tell me they get sexual propositions from time to time but never anything forceful or aggressive. I know men are more sexual than women a lot of the time but what gives? Even in my day to day life I get sexual obscenities screamed at me or grabbed by random men while at a bar. I have yet to see a girl yell "nice dick!!" At a stranger jogging. I guess my question is why? I get the part about being more sexual but how does that translate into the aggression and violence?


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RE: Why? - 4/14/2014 11:38:11 PM   
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I've been on this site for a few years now. I am a Fin Domme and I know a lot of people hear those two words and automatically judge or think my opinion isn't valid. I know that being a Fin Domme also upsets a lot of men listed as submissive bc many feel that Fin Dommes are responsible for other dominant woman not being willing to act a fetish delivery system. I receive harassing messages daily. I'm also on a vanilla dating site and I relieve sexual harassing messages daily as well. On the vanilla site they tend to be more sexual in nature. I made a point not to post photos of me wearing anything low cut or revealing because I'm a C cup and I didn't want to be judged on the size of my bust. I had one photo that I didn't consider revealing, I was in a tank top and was hiking in the photo. I took it down shortly after I uploaded it bc I received dozens of messages about "my tits." I regularly receive crude sexual propositions on the vanilla site. Most of them are in a more aggressive nature. Where as on here I get called a whore, prostitute, etc and it's always by profiles identified as males. I think in my three years on here I got two messages that were what I would consider mean by profiles that identified as females. The harassment on here as I mentioned is more the distaste of findom, a lot of Doms telling me I have to submit to them, men who are angry I won't dominate them in the specific way they want, completely random unsolicited harassment, etc. It's weird bc on the vanilla site where I actually have my photos up I have never gotten negative messages about my appearance. But here where I have no photos of my face or body I get told I'm fat, ugly, etc, etc. The most recent was a slave today who sent me a message telling me he wanted to rip the "cow ring" referring to my lip ring, out of my face. My male friends on vanilla dating sites tell me they get sexual propositions from time to time but never anything forceful or aggressive. I know men are more sexual than women a lot of the time but what gives? Even in my day to day life I get sexual obscenities screamed at me or grabbed by random men while at a bar. I have yet to see a girl yell "nice dick!!" At a stranger jogging. I guess my question is why? I get the part about being more sexual but how does that translate into the aggression and violence?


Paragraphs are your friend.



Thank you grammar police. I'm happy you didn't have time to contribute to the thread but you did have time to comment on paragraphs. I wrote it from my phone. This is a casual blog, not a paper for school. Do you have nothing better to do with your time?

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RE: Why do men treat women like sex objects? - 4/15/2014 2:27:12 AM   
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You're living under a rock, I've been the subject of objectification,... Try working at night [in] a night club as a guy.

So ARIES, stop holding out on us -- Where's the shirtless photo?

You know, the one with you wearing a black bow tie around your neck....

Eh, I don't have a dancers body opal... not err... not graceful, at all I'm afraid my dear. Not built for dancing...

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RE: Why do men treat women like sex objects? - 4/15/2014 9:17:26 AM   
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I don't understand the reason for being nasty. Had he politely said "maybe you're post would of been easier to understand with paragraph breaks." It would of been fine. And the fact that he wrote a similarly rude comment on another thread I started makes me assume he's just trying to be mean.

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RE: Why do men treat women like sex objects? - 4/15/2014 9:52:27 AM   
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I don't understand the reason for being nasty. Had he politely said "maybe you're post would of been easier to understand with paragraph breaks." It would of been fine. And the fact that he wrote a similarly rude comment on another thread I started makes me assume he's just trying to be mean.

Maybe because, like me, he took one glance at the wall of text and thought "fuck no" and left it??

Just because you typed it on a phone is no excuse for sheer laziness.
If you want answers, present the question in a readable form so that people (in general) can read it easily.

Just sayin'

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RE: Why do men treat women like sex objects? - 4/15/2014 12:57:50 PM   
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It would be a nice to have a topic that is filled with hot male doms and subs shirtless pictures. Can you tell I am a huge fan of the 300 movie series! Ha! Eye Candy galore!

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RE: Why do men treat women like sex objects? - 4/15/2014 1:20:58 PM   
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I ogle them too... out of envy though, I want those muscles one day! So hard without using steroids though...

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RE: Why do men treat women like sex objects? - 4/15/2014 3:00:04 PM   
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I don't understand the reason for being nasty. Had he politely said "maybe you're post would of been easier to understand with paragraph breaks." It would of been fine. And the fact that he wrote a similarly rude comment on another thread I started makes me assume he's just trying to be mean.

Maybe because, like me, he took one glance at the wall of text and thought "fuck no" and left it??

Just because you typed it on a phone is no excuse for sheer laziness.
If you want answers, present the question in a readable form so that people (in general) can read it easily.

Just sayin'


Then say, "fuck no." And move into another forum that is grammatically to your liking. Or why not say it in a polite constructive manner? I never understand why so many people in here go straight to being assholes just because something isn't exactly to their liking. He could of politely said that it would of been easier to read with paragraphs, there was absolutely no reason to be nasty about it. If I see something I don't like, I move on.

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RE: Why do men treat women like sex objects? - 4/15/2014 3:53:53 PM   
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Then say, "fuck no." And move into another forum that is grammatically to your liking. Or why not say it in a polite constructive manner? I never understand why so many people in here go straight to being assholes just because something isn't exactly to their liking. He could of politely said that it would of been easier to read with paragraphs, there was absolutely no reason to be nasty about it. If I see something I don't like, I move on.


Why are you being so vociferous and objectionable when someone points out that your writing style is almost illegible??

Sheeeesh!! Get a grip!!

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RE: Why do men treat women like sex objects? - 4/15/2014 3:54:04 PM   
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It's true that paragraphs would have improved your OP. It sounds from your post that you at least perceive a history with him from previous threads, and I don't know anything about that.

I'll tell you why I've only replied obliquely to your OP, myself. Most of your OPs, the ones I've seen anyway, are circling around the same general concern every time, and I think at this point that you already know what I'm going to say. My guess is that you've been wondering about these questions for years, and you're in search of much deeper answers than you can find on a message board.

The central question you're asking could easily become someone's life's work. This reminds me of the famous dominatrix Ava Taurel, who eventually got a master's degree in counseling and became a therapist in prison, specializing in work with convicted rapists. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you might never find a way to let go of your question, and no answer will ever fully satisfy you, so you might want to ask yourself what's the most productive, healthy way you can search for the truth.

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RE: Why do men treat women like sex objects? - 4/15/2014 4:11:28 PM   
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It would be a nice to have a topic that is filled with hot male doms and subs shirtless pictures. Can you tell I am a huge fan of the 300 movie series! Ha! Eye Candy galore!
<-- Me, I mean, and please excuse us for a moment, Kali> OMG, I LOVED that movie. Made the mistake of seeing it in 3D. Um, maybe not such a mistake.
The sex scene with Artemisia was HOT.... Then at the end when Themistocles tells her he could never be a slave even if it were at the end of her leash.
That part stunk. :(

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RE: Why? - 4/15/2014 6:03:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ThePrincessKali

I've been on this site for a few years now. I am a Fin Domme and I know a lot of people hear those two words and automatically judge or think my opinion isn't valid. I know that being a Fin Domme also upsets a lot of men listed as submissive bc many feel that Fin Dommes are responsible for other dominant woman not being willing to act a fetish delivery system. I receive harassing messages daily. I'm also on a vanilla dating site and I relieve sexual harassing messages daily as well. On the vanilla site they tend to be more sexual in nature. I made a point not to post photos of me wearing anything low cut or revealing because I'm a C cup and I didn't want to be judged on the size of my bust. I had one photo that I didn't consider revealing, I was in a tank top and was hiking in the photo. I took it down shortly after I uploaded it bc I received dozens of messages about "my tits." I regularly receive crude sexual propositions on the vanilla site. Most of them are in a more aggressive nature. Where as on here I get called a whore, prostitute, etc and it's always by profiles identified as males. I think in my three years on here I got two messages that were what I would consider mean by profiles that identified as females. The harassment on here as I mentioned is more the distaste of findom, a lot of Doms telling me I have to submit to them, men who are angry I won't dominate them in the specific way they want, completely random unsolicited harassment, etc. It's weird bc on the vanilla site where I actually have my photos up I have never gotten negative messages about my appearance. But here where I have no photos of my face or body I get told I'm fat, ugly, etc, etc. The most recent was a slave today who sent me a message telling me he wanted to rip the "cow ring" referring to my lip ring, out of my face. My male friends on vanilla dating sites tell me they get sexual propositions from time to time but never anything forceful or aggressive. I know men are more sexual than women a lot of the time but what gives? Even in my day to day life I get sexual obscenities screamed at me or grabbed by random men while at a bar. I have yet to see a girl yell "nice dick!!" At a stranger jogging. I guess my question is why? I get the part about being more sexual but how does that translate into the aggression and violence?


Paragraphs are your friend.



Thank you grammar police. I'm happy you didn't have time to contribute to the thread but you did have time to comment on paragraphs. I wrote it from my phone. This is a casual blog, not a paper for school. Do you have nothing better to do with your time?



Actually, no (well, there's that meeting at 3:45, but other than that, no), but thank you for asking.

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