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Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/14/2014 11:32:55 PM   
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For starts, looking for a female or MtF sub.

I am new to the scene. I've been into this for about a year now, starting at the CSPC in Seattle. I need to know the general things that subs look for in a Dominant that act as good flags. Having had very little relationship experience, it's hard to know what social 'rules' are in place. Sometimes I feel like I'm doing well, other times it's as if I dropped an anvil on their foot. I can never know what to do. So much confusion!

Also, what exactly is primal space like? I've had people enter it while playing with me before, and it looks like so much fun. Being able to just let loose like that. Tons of fun to hold down someone who's gone primal, they finally put up a real challenge.

What are some great questions for determining what a sub is like? Or what they like? There's the pointed very direct "Do you like X?" questions, but having to bust out a list of those every time I meet somebody new is getting to be irritating. Any ideas?

I've got a lot of friends at the Center who I'm sure could answer these questions, but it's a ways for me to travel there. Plus I feel like I might be talking to a different audience here.
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RE: Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/15/2014 12:16:51 AM   
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1. I don't look for a compatible dominant. I look for a compatible man.
2. I hate being referred to as a "subbie"
3. I'm not defined by my kinks. If you come at me with a list, I'll walk.

In otherwords...this isn't a job interview. If I meet someone I rely on chemistry, not a checklist or questionnaire to see if we mesh.

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RE: Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/15/2014 12:25:09 AM   
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Didn't quite mean to make it sound like a job interview or anything. I'm just trying to be specific with my question. :x Like, when I'm asking those questions is when I'm reasonably certain I'm interested in the person and we've hinted at sex in the near future, or have been talking about sex.

I only say subbie when I feel like being cutesy. Sometimes it's fun to be cutesy.

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RE: Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/15/2014 12:59:34 AM   
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Cutesy or not, a lot of people strongly dislike that word. Just a tip for the future - it's a diminutive term and a lot of people will be offended if you use that when you're not in a relationship with them. Not chewing you out - express yourself however you want, just be aware that it will get people's backs up.

Traits subs look for - forget about dom and sub. What traits do you admire in people you know? Those are the traits that make a good dom too. Being a great dominant is just being a great person, with the addition of the desire to take control. So reliability, honesty, integrity, sense of humour, in control of his temper, interesting, good communication skills ... the list goes on and on. Add to that a handful of personal preferences - spontaneous vs a planner, party guy vs quiet-night-in guy, conservative vs liberal etc etc. But if you are an all round good person, people will be interested.

Primal space - no idea, sorry.

Getting to know someone - just let it happen naturally. Talk about music and travel and books and food. Ask about their childhood, their hopes for the future, their career. Listen to what they say, and listen to how they say it. Watch how they really behave. If you are attentive it will quickly become apparent whether they cultivate drama in their personal relationships, whether they value being reliable, whether they are insecure, whether they tend to tell tall tales or whether they are disorganised to the point of being unreliable. This stuff is 90% of what makes a compatible relationship.
If and when you both feel interested in getting into a dynamic, it's time to sit down and have the serious talk. I would suggest asking some of these questions:
- How much control do you think you want to give up? Bedroom only? Control of your diet, your job, your social life, your money? Micromanaging every time you go to the bathroom?
- Are you willing to ease into it gradually? Are you flexible about what you want?
- What types of play are you interested in? Do you have experience? How can we make it as safe as possible?
- What types of birth control should we use? Have you had a recent STD test? What would we do if there was an unplanned pregnancy? (actually this is something every single straight couple should be asking themselves, IMO)
- Are you interested in a punishment dynamic? How do you think that would work?
- Do you have any health problems or past issues I need to be aware of for play?
- What do you need to make you feel loved and secure? Regular date nights? Sofa cuddles? A clear set of rules? Spontaneous romantic gestures? - this seems trivial but I've known a lot of people get hung up on these sorts of things, because neither are showing love in the way the other understands.
There is more, but perhaps more important than any question is that you both go into it knowing things might change and being willing to discuss and compromise. If you are both capable of talking like adults about feelings and needs and you are both committed to making things work, your odds of success are excellent.

As for social skills, the only way to learn is to practice. If you are just a bit new and rusty, just get out there and learn. You will get used to watching cues and learn what doesn't go down so well. If you are totally socially awkward, enlist a friend who can conduct a post mortem with you - someone who will tell you honestly 'hey, you came off a bit creepy when you said X' and 'did you see when she started doing Y? That's because you had been talking about your dog for twenty minutes and she was bored'.

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RE: Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/15/2014 1:01:34 AM   
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P.S. Would you be offended if I gave you some feedback on your profile?

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RE: Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/15/2014 1:19:57 AM   
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Listen carefully to what petitespot and AthenaSurrenders have told you, because there are many layers of truth in what they say. In fact, just about any femsub here on the fora who replies to you will be imparting words of wisdom.

Now, from my point of view, you are not yet a Dominant. You're only 20. You are a Top, and that is why you do not have an instinctive understanding for what a sub wants and needs in terms of leadership from a Master. I took a look at your profile, and you are playing at being Master. It's good that you care about what your bottom expects. I think you might be a good candidate, if you can find an experienced sub willing to mentor you, since you are receptive and empathetic. You might wonder why I didn't say Dom instead. I think you will learn more from a sub, and many Dominants have been shown and taught how to become a better Dominant by their subs (as I was by a more experienced sub). A Dom, in contrast, with bad habits and rigid attitudes might adversely influence you into becoming an asshat instead.

What I didn't get from your profile, although you reveal a softer side of yourself who likes to cuddle and show affection, is a sense of consensuality. Make sure this base is thoroughly covered with your play partners in advance, and that their Hard Limits are defined, as well as your own. You don't have the right to ever violate their consent. Not saying you would, but sh!t happens, and as the Top-Dominant, you will be held accountable.

As for subspace - which you refer to as primal space - I can't really help you there. The fact that you are drawn to want to experience this for yourself is how I know you are empathic, and more of a giving Dominant-in-the-making than a receiving Dominant-in-the-making. There are many Dominants like myself who test things on themselves to some degree or would not expect a sub to explore uncharted territory they themselves are reticent to have scouted beforehand. It is also possible you might want to experience being service Topped or that you discover that you prefer to be a Switch rather than a Dom. Only time and experience will tell whether this is a viable option for you. Nothing is written in stone, besides mutual consent.

[Edited due to cross-posting]

< Message edited by FieryOpal -- 4/15/2014 1:43:14 AM >


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RE: Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/15/2014 4:47:11 AM   
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I look for who he is a person first, how he reacts to different, every day life situations, when he's stressed, when he's dealing with a serious issue, disappointments, how he treats others. If he has a hot temper, angers easily, doesn't handle issues well, doesn't treat others with respect whether it's me, his neighbor, his parents, a waitress at the local diner.....he's off my radar. I look for how well he communicates, can he discuss things rationally, does he really listen to me and try to understand my POV or is he blowing what I have to say off. Is he reluctant to answer the questions I have for him? Are we compatible in what we want in the whole relationship.

When it gets to the point of talking about BDSM likes/dislikes, I found the best way is to be specific, ask her do you like X, Y, Z and to what extent, have her give you a list of what she likes. Let her know what you like and don't like, talk about what you can both compromise on. Talk about a safe word, hard limits and about different things you or she might want to try as the relationship progresses.

As AthenaSurrenders suggested, find out if there are any medical problems or issues that you need to be aware of. I have asthma and we make sure my rescue inhaler is within reach at all times. If I'm restrained and go into an asthma attack, he knows to give me my rescue inhaler first then get me out of restraints quickly. I also have PTSD, he knows what signs to watch for if my mind drifts off in the wrong direction and I can't safe word and he knows what to do to get my mind back to reality.

Not sure what you mean by primal space. If you mean subspace, that can be different for everyone. I love it, it's a very freeing feeling but it's also very physically and emotionally draining for me when I come down from it and I need a lot of aftercare.




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RE: Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/15/2014 10:59:05 AM   
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Primal isn't the same as subspace. There are people here who do primal play. It can be fun but both parties have to be okay with injuries. Because while in that, you won't pull your punches.

So you ok with getting kicked in the balls or a black eye?

I looked for a compatible man, not a dominant. And for me that included having relationship skills which you admit to be lacking in. I'd suggest you learn them first before seeking anything other than a short term fuck buddy relationship.

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RE: Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/15/2014 2:02:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheLastTimeLord
What are some great questions for determining what a sub is like? Or what they like?

Hi. My name is Jeff. And your name is....
So how did you end up... well... here?
What do you do in your spare time when you're not being a kinkster?

Dude. A human life is such an immensely varied and complicated thing. There are ENDLESS questions to be asked. Unless, of course, there is really only one set of questions you're interested in which all sound more like, "So do you enjoy gagging on cock?" And really, if that was your planned approach then my advice is to save yourself some time and not bother. Oh, and from what I can tell pretty much all "subbies" hate being called "subbie"

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RE: Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/15/2014 3:59:26 PM   
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I only say subbie when I feel like being cutesy. Sometimes it's fun to be cutesy.

Seriously? You ask for advice, receive advice, and then your first reaction is to explain why that advice is wrong?

Here's my advice: act like a mature adult. Women will be much more likely to submit to you if you do.

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RE: Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/15/2014 8:35:09 PM   
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But he isn't a mature adult. He's only 20 years old. And he watches too much porn. (Per his profile).

Which no doubt is why he has no relationship skills and no experience with females.

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RE: Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/16/2014 2:55:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: petitespot

1. I don't look for a compatible dominant. I look for a compatible man.
2. I hate being referred to as a "subbie"
3. I'm not defined by my kinks. If you come at me with a list, I'll walk.

In otherwords...this isn't a job interview. If I meet someone I rely on chemistry, not a checklist or questionnaire to see if we mesh.


What she said.

If someone engages my mind, then all else follows. Questions about kink likes/dislikes are not even easy to answer since what I may have done with someone else and liked, I may hate with you......unless you inspire me to like it.

Nothing here is black and white, appreciate the subtlety of colors and individuals.

Oh, the word subbie is sure to make me roll my eyes.

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RE: Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/19/2014 5:21:32 PM   
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I do not mind feedback on my profile, in fact I welcome it. I'm always looking for how to improve myself.

Couple of things:

- Yes, I watch a lot of porn. Didn't lose my virginity until last year. Mine has been a sad lonely life until I found my place of zen. I don't have a lot of relationship experience, which is why I'm here asking questions. Really bad questions, presented in a really bad way. I'm bad at that game, I know. It sucks. The only thing to do is learn and move forwards.

-Safe, Sane, Consensual. That is my mantra. For me, the sub is the one who is truly in power. One word can make me drop everything and rush to their aid. That's probably why they call it a safe word. I like forcing people to do what I want, but only if I know that they love it. If they don't like it, I don't like it. I play to have fun with someone, not with myself.

-Never again will I use the word "subbie"

Thank you all for your criticism! Whether or not it was good criticism doesn't matter, I appreciate that you took the time to say it! :)

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RE: Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/19/2014 9:27:11 PM   
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Please don't see it all as criticism. Surely you can see some of the pearls of wisdom in some of these posts.

You have a good attitude, saying to learn and move forward. That's perfect.

My suggestion would be to replace the porn with books. I believe the book list is on top of the General BDSM forum. And treat your relationships like normal relationships. Be a good guy, be sweet, attentive, all the things girls like. The kink will just ramp it up. Have fun.

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RE: Beautiful subbies! I Beseech thee! - 4/19/2014 9:33:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1


quote:

ORIGINAL: petitespot

1. I don't look for a compatible dominant. I look for a compatible man.
2. I hate being referred to as a "subbie"
3. I'm not defined by my kinks. If you come at me with a list, I'll walk.

In otherwords...this isn't a job interview. If I meet someone I rely on chemistry, not a checklist or questionnaire to see if we mesh.


What she said.

If someone engages my mind, then all else follows. Questions about kink likes/dislikes are not even easy to answer since what I may have done with someone else and liked, I may hate with you......unless you inspire me to like it.

Nothing here is black and white, appreciate the subtlety of colors and individuals.

Oh, the word subbie is sure to make me roll my eyes.


I'd like to add a bit to what my girlfriend sexyred1 wrote.

I'm a straight Dominant man. If I talk with a straight submissive woman, I figure the chances of us meshing in the bedroom are better than 90%. The chances of us meshing outside the bedroom are way less. So I'll screen her vanilla self, and assume the kinky self will fall into place if the vanilla self does.

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