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There are other questions raised about Reid’s involvement. Why did this assault become the #1 priority of government only days after a senior political advisor to Nevada Senator Harry Reid took over BLM? Coincidence?

Why is US Senator Harry Reid so concerned with a local Nevada rancher?

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Another project comes close. But not that close: Bundy’s home in the Mojave desert is closer to the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone, a corridor that has been slated for renewable energy development. The BLM is planning a mitigation strategy that may stretch toward the area where Bundy has been grazing his cows. But even there, the maps don’t match up closely enough to suggest that Bundy’s specific grazing land was the intended site of a solar facility. Also, the Chinese company ENN had not been planning a facility in the Dry Lake area.


The timelines don’t line up: Bundy’s battle with the BLM started in 1993 when he stopped paying his grazing fees, 18 years before anyone talked about putting Chinese money into the Nevada desert for renewable energy. Talk about the Chinese solar project started in 2011 and ended in 2013. And the Bundy-BLM confrontation came this month, long after the solar project died.

More on Kornze: It’s not exactly true that this was the first move of Reid’s former aide as BLM director. The roundup started April 5, and Kornze wasn’t confirmed by the Senate as BLM director until April 8.

Facts that disprove conspiracy theory about Harry Reid, Cliven Bundy and solar power

So, anyone want to explain why this is a Obama administration move to take the ranch, assassinate and otherwise make Bundy disappear?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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Why after 18 years did they decide it was such a big deal
that it justified sending an armed strike force?

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

Frankly, the bullshit about this being an operation of sworn officers upholding the law doesn't hold water. Real law enforcement would have been able to deal with something as simple as cows grazing on public land without a permit. Only a politician could have planned that debacle, and Reid seems to be the only person who is upset about it. He clearly had reasons for being upset about it, but I refuse to speculate on what his involvement might be until something more concrete developes.

However, I will speculate on why he might be upset about the whole thing if he is not involved...

If this operation does go all the way to Holder or Obama, it may very well turn out that Reid is simply trying to divert attention away from the administration. With Holder embattled with the GOP, the last thing Obama wants is for people to associate this with Janet Reno, Bill Clinton and Waco. That was a P.R. disaster for Clinton, but at least he managed to get the job done without his goons having to retreat and return confiscated property. The association would be bad enough, but yet another Obama failure being yet another P.R. disaster would be even worse considering how many people already percieve him to be a highly ineffectual military leader.

-SD-

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

Frankly, the bullshit about this being an operation of sworn officers upholding the law doesn't hold water. Real law enforcement would have been able to deal with something as simple as cows grazing on public land without a permit. Only a politician could have planned that debacle, and Reid seems to be the only person who is upset about it. He clearly had reasons for being upset about it, but I refuse to speculate on what his involvement might be until something more concrete developes.

However, I will speculate on why he might be upset about the whole thing if he is not involved...

If this operation does go all the way to Holder or Obama, it may very well turn out that Reid is simply trying to divert attention away from the administration. With Holder embattled with the GOP, the last thing Obama wants is for people to associate this with Janet Reno, Bill Clinton and Waco. That was a P.R. disaster for Clinton, but at least he managed to get the job done without his goons having to retreat and return confiscated property. The association would be bad enough, but yet another Obama failure being yet another P.R. disaster would be even worse considering how many people already percieve him to be a highly ineffectual military leader.

-SD-

Bullshit.

This asshole rancher has been sticking guns in the faces of BLM employees for 20 years. He's lost 2 courts cases and the judge in 2013 made it clear that he was going to issue an order to have the cattle rounded up. He did and BLM started doing so as soon as they got the order.

The lack of information and amount of made up nonsense the right wing has on this is frightening.

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

Frankly, the bullshit about this being an operation of sworn officers upholding the law doesn't hold water. Real law enforcement would have been able to deal with something as simple as cows grazing on public land without a permit. Only a politician could have planned that debacle, and Reid seems to be the only person who is upset about it. He clearly had reasons for being upset about it, but I refuse to speculate on what his involvement might be until something more concrete developes.

However, I will speculate on why he might be upset about the whole thing if he is not involved...

If this operation does go all the way to Holder or Obama, it may very well turn out that Reid is simply trying to divert attention away from the administration. With Holder embattled with the GOP, the last thing Obama wants is for people to associate this with Janet Reno, Bill Clinton and Waco. That was a P.R. disaster for Clinton, but at least he managed to get the job done without his goons having to retreat and return confiscated property. The association would be bad enough, but yet another Obama failure being yet another P.R. disaster would be even worse considering how many people already percieve him to be a highly ineffectual military leader.

-SD-

Bullshit.

This asshole rancher has been sticking guns in the faces of BLM employees for 20 years. He's lost 2 courts cases and the judge in 2013 made it clear that he was going to issue an order to have the cattle rounded up. He did and BLM started doing so as soon as they got the order.

The lack of information and amount of made up nonsense the right wing has on this is frightening.

And yet mysteriously, they not only retreated from doing their alleged lawful duty because they were just helpless to enforce the law, but they also gave back the confiscated cattle even though they had an alleged legal right to confiscate it??? As I said, REAL law enforcement officers acting in the legal course of their administering their duties do not act like that.

The level of denial by the left is staggering.

-SD-

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

I've only been following this story on a superficial level, but there are some things that I'm not sure about. From what I've read, this family had been grazing cattle on federal land for over a century, apparently without any problem, but then, it became a problem at some point about 20 years ago. But it's only been recently that there's been actual force used and threats of violence?

Apart from the use of guns and threats and other potentially "seditious" activity, just how severe of a violation is it for someone to graze their cattle on federal land? Is it one of those things where "everybody" does it and the government just treats it with a slap on the wrist (or might use it to single someone out for selective enforcement)? Is it something akin to a speeding ticket or someone smoking pot? I understand it's against the law, but I'm just not clear on the magnitude or the severity of such a violation.

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

I've only been following this story on a superficial level, but there are some things that I'm not sure about. From what I've read, this family had been grazing cattle on federal land for over a century, apparently without any problem, but then, it became a problem at some point about 20 years ago. But it's only been recently that there's been actual force used and threats of violence?

Apart from the use of guns and threats and other potentially "seditious" activity, just how severe of a violation is it for someone to graze their cattle on federal land? Is it one of those things where "everybody" does it and the government just treats it with a slap on the wrist (or might use it to single someone out for selective enforcement)? Is it something akin to a speeding ticket or someone smoking pot? I understand it's against the law, but I'm just not clear on the magnitude or the severity of such a violation.

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

I've only been following this story on a superficial level, but there are some things that I'm not sure about. From what I've read, this family had been grazing cattle on federal land for over a century, apparently without any problem, but then, it became a problem at some point about 20 years ago. But it's only been recently that there's been actual force used and threats of violence?

Apart from the use of guns and threats and other potentially "seditious" activity, just how severe of a violation is it for someone to graze their cattle on federal land? Is it one of those things where "everybody" does it and the government just treats it with a slap on the wrist (or might use it to single someone out for selective enforcement)? Is it something akin to a speeding ticket or someone smoking pot? I understand it's against the law, but I'm just not clear on the magnitude or the severity of such a violation.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

so for this lady everyone should stop paying any tax if they do not agree with how they are spent or just her family has this option?

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

so for this lady everyone should stop paying any tax if they do not agree with how they are spent or just her family has this option?

It wasn't a tax. It was a fee paid in order to use the land to graze his cattle. Basically, he was renting the land. 20 years ago he stopped paying for the rent, but kept using the land anyway.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

So Bundy doesn't actually have ancestral rights to the land.
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25301551/bundys-ancestral-rights-come-under-scrutiny

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The Bundy family had been grazing cattle on that publicly owned land for over a hundred years, but they had always bought the rights to do so by paying the necessary fees. The fees are paid at a certain amount per head of cattle. This helps to regulate the number of cattle to prevent over grazing, which causes soil erosion and can have an adverse effect on the plant and wildlife in the area.

Here is a link to a letter Bundy's daughter wrote in which she explains (or makes excuses for, depending on your point of view) her father's actions. http://viralsurvival.com/2014/04/15/cliven-bundys-daughter-shiree-bundy-cox-explains-why-the-blm-came-for-her-father/

Apparently, Bundy felt that the BLM should use the fees paid for grazing his cattle only for improvements to the land upon which his cattle were grazing. When they stopped using the fees the way Bundy thought they should be used, he stopped paying, but kept grazing his cattle on public land.

I couldn't help but laugh when she said her father "fired" the BLM and refused to pay any more fees to them.

Anyway, you can determine for yourself as to whether the family's actions made sense or not, and whether they were legal or not.