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'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 8:13:50 AM

joether

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I've known for years, if not decades, that the level of healthcare in VA hospitals was bad. Nothing prepared me for this! Or this!

This is absurd and criminal! It sounds to me like Congress has no visibility on something that is their responsibility to keep a constant eye on. That this system has been in this state for decades, placing all these people at substandard healthcare is beyond sane or 'normal healthcare coverage'! Rep. Jeff Miller (R-FL) is 'getting to the bottom of this', being that he's been around since 2001 and a chairman of the Committee on Veterans Affairs; I'll hold my breath this goes somewhere good and decent.

This to me, is how healthcare would operate if the Republican/Tea Party had its view: Ultra-slow new construction, ordinary citizens waiting months to see a doctor (if ever), poor conditions in said facilities, low paid doctors and nurses, and very limited supplies.

Here is some information to help gain an understanding of the depth of this problem.

"Outpatient? The copayments will be based on primary care visits ($15) and specialty care visits ($50)."

It costs me $0 for a primary care visit, and I see my doctor within 2-3 businesses days after making an appointment. If its something serious, he'll see me the same day (even on a Saturday). Anything worst, he'll advise me to go to the ER. And how much do I pay for specialty visits? $0. That's Mass Health in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. I didn't risked my life and limb fighting for this nation (granted the Army doctor stated I was over the height limit....), and I get BETTER Healthcare. I've argued for better healthcare access, treatment and costs for Americans. Improvements on the ACA. And yes, better healthcare and facilities for our veterans!

Note: Why do I blame Republican/Tea Party more than the Democrats? They are all guilty of this; however, Republican/Tea Party are always so 'gung ho for the troops'; I think they should be more responsible for the after effects of warzones they placed our troops in initially.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 8:17:05 AM

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Yet more proof that it's always a good idea for government to be in charge of health care.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 8:17:47 AM

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No, to allow Republican/Tea Party to control healthcare....

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 8:29:58 AM

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The refusal of the Veterans Administration Hospitals to actually treat veterans leaves so many with damaged health and reduces or eliminates the ability to hold a job.

If you delay treatment long enough; things like a back injury become a "chronic problem" and not a high priority for treatment.

Recycling a person through a primary care physician over and over but never treating is not health care but health warehousing. The V.A. is very good at health warehousing patients.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 8:58:11 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

I've known for years, if not decades, that the level of healthcare in VA hospitals was bad. Nothing prepared me for this! Or this!

This is absurd and criminal! It sounds to me like Congress has no visibility on something that is their responsibility to keep a constant eye on. That this system has been in this state for decades, placing all these people at substandard healthcare is beyond sane or 'normal healthcare coverage'! Rep. Jeff Miller (R-FL) is 'getting to the bottom of this', being that he's been around since 2001 and a chairman of the Committee on Veterans Affairs; I'll hold my breath this goes somewhere good and decent.

This to me, is how healthcare would operate if the Republican/Tea Party had its view: Ultra-slow new construction, ordinary citizens waiting months to see a doctor (if ever), poor conditions in said facilities, low paid doctors and nurses, and very limited supplies.

Here is some information to help gain an understanding of the depth of this problem.

"Outpatient? The copayments will be based on primary care visits ($15) and specialty care visits ($50)."

It costs me $0 for a primary care visit, and I see my doctor within 2-3 businesses days after making an appointment. If its something serious, he'll see me the same day (even on a Saturday). Anything worst, he'll advise me to go to the ER. And how much do I pay for specialty visits? $0. That's Mass Health in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. I didn't risked my life and limb fighting for this nation (granted the Army doctor stated I was over the height limit....), and I get BETTER Healthcare. I've argued for better healthcare access, treatment and costs for Americans. Improvements on the ACA. And yes, better healthcare and facilities for our veterans!

Note: Why do I blame Republican/Tea Party more than the Democrats? They are all guilty of this; however, Republican/Tea Party are always so 'gung ho for the troops'; I think they should be more responsible for the after effects of warzones they placed our troops in initially.

I have said this before but I will repeat it.
Only the German military has killed more of our military than the VA, regardless
of which party is in power.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 9:02:42 AM

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You would say that incorrectly if you said that.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 10:11:52 AM

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We might consider adequate funding for the VA.

Just a thought.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 10:16:45 AM

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quote:

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This to me, is how healthcare would operate if the Republican/Tea Party had its view: Ultra-slow new construction, ordinary citizens waiting months to see a doctor (if ever), poor conditions in said facilities, low paid doctors and nurses, and very limited supplies.

Really, because the VA sounds like a single payer system and from what I have seen on the boards, it's the left that wants that.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 10:46:26 AM

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Look guys. I know you love to piss on France and socialism. Pure American ignorance. Because you are misinformed and have drank the cool aid. "America=best in the world etc.
But believe me. As a French citizen who loves the American spirit. I can tell you that you are shafted everyday by tour Republicans and those who claim to uphold that old document that needs a serious rewrite. Your constitution (which we helped you write ). Please inform yourselves about what goes on in other countries especially Europe.
My elderly mother broke her knee. She had an MR I in 2 days. Was operated on and had a visiting nurse visit her home ever 2 days.
When the metal braces were removed, she had a physical therapist visit 3 times per week. Now all's well.
She isn't wealthy. A retired bank employee. She just had a very minimal copay.
college is free. That is why so many scientists and teachers come to the US for a few years to enjoy the popular culture. Free of loans. And why a valuable organisation like "doctors without borders" Is staffed by many young french doctors. No loans to repay. Public education at all levels is stellar and the huge middle class has a real chance to be productive.
Pregnant women get 6 months paid leave.
vacation is 5 weeks per Year.
Unimployment is a bit over a year.
Of course no system is perfect and France is now going through some economic troubles but no worse than the US a few years ago.
Problems occur and are processed.
I implore you to not believe the Republican hype that plays on that long gone pionner spirit.
Do your research. Look at other systems internationally. And realize what is being done to you.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 11:57:34 AM

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quote:

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This to me, is how healthcare would operate if the Republican/Tea Party had its view: Ultra-slow new construction, ordinary citizens waiting months to see a doctor (if ever), poor conditions in said facilities, low paid doctors and nurses, and very limited supplies.

Really, because the VA sounds like a single payer system and from what I have seen on the boards, it's the left that wants that.

Well, the VA is far from single payer, there are different levels of healthcare, depending, and if you have insurance you have to share it, and way more....but it ain't close to single payer.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 12:35:25 PM

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Really, because the VA sounds like a single payer system and from what I have seen on the boards, it's the left that wants that.

Oh come now. Surely you can differentiate the economic mechanism from the corruption. Personally I'm not aware of any system which is immune to internal corruption.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 4:18:10 PM

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Really, because the VA sounds like a single payer system and from what I have seen on the boards, it's the left that wants that.

Oh come now. Surely you can differentiate the economic mechanism from the corruption. Personally I'm not aware of any system which is immune to internal corruption.

I am not either. But government systems seem to excel at it.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 4:51:38 PM

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You might not know it, but my profesional opinion, after 20 years in IT, and over a decade in Insurance IT, but the VA has THE BEST computer system out there. They might not have the money to use it, but if the legislators weren't kowtowing to the proprietary ( and in some cases FOREIGN ) EHR vendors, they could solve half of our healthcare issues overnight by just mandating the use of, and giving every doctor a login into their system.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 5:05:12 PM

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quote:

This to me, is how healthcare would operate if the Republican/Tea Party had its view:

As others have said this is not the Republicans fault alone... I would guess that most of those vets were Vietnam era. It seems to me that if any party should be the blame it would be the party that has been in power the most since 1960...which would that be?

There are many problems with the system...even when fully staffed they often suffer from inexperience and turn over...no continuity of care. This causes backlogs... Vets that usually end up using the system are those with limited resources and therefore often enter care in worse shape that those that can afford private care. Specialists are very hard to come by because of the training needed and the pay return compared to private practice.

Money is needed...but no one... the public included... wants to pay the taxes needed. It is not just the politicians fault... you have known of the problems at the VA and so have I... how much have you done to rectify the situation? I sure could have done more... I have not written my Senator or Representative demanding action... but i will now...so should you.

Butch

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 5:13:35 PM

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State of the art my ass... at least 40 confirmed vets dead, in AZ, from the VA "taking months to create appointments in the system"

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/132248-40-veterans-die-waiting-list-military-hospital/

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 5:36:05 PM

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Please explain how a dumb management decision to waitlist patient appointments until never is indication of any fault with the EHR system. Because it's not the computer keeping appointements from being made. It's the clerks who were told to let the patients die instead of creating appointments.

Man, this is like the whole "You can keep your plan". Yup. Unless the HEALTH INSURER throws you out of your grandfathered plan. And when the HEALTH INSURER makes that choice, who gets blamed?

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 5:42:58 PM

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I read state of the art to mean the level of care the vets recieve, I read nothing in the OP About the erp system the va uses...

Perhaps you should try reading comprehension next time....

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 7:13:05 PM

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If the VA's computer system is so great you would think Obamacare would have adopted it... Just sayin'

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 7:26:58 PM

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I am not either. But government systems seem to excel at it.

Perhaps a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade could remove this mind numbing level of ignorance.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/24/2014 7:42:55 PM

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State of the art my ass... at least 40 confirmed vets dead, in AZ, from the VA "taking months to create appointments in the system"

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/132248-40-veterans-die-waiting-list-military-hospital/

The article is pretty clear that the sophistication of the it system is what allowed the arizona va to get away with this shit.

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