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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/27/2014 12:14:26 PM   
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I have a service related 30% disability from my time in the Marine Corps. I have found the care and treatment I have received at the Baltimore VA Medical Center beyond outstanding.

That is great but I have a vastly different experience.
4 years after they took the tests, and from the original tests, they noticed my late wife had diabetes,
this was after they tried to give her penicillin, saying it was ok because her allergy to it may have gone away.

Is it possible that these same mistakes could have been made in a for profit hospital?

Anything is possible, but the regularity of such stupidity would destroy a civilian doctor.
What makes you think these were the only such mistakes they made.
I once had an allergy to nutrasweet diagnosed as having too much sex.
Is there such a thing?

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/27/2014 12:34:27 PM   
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Is it possible that these same mistakes could have been made in a for profit hospital?

Anything is possible, but the regularity of such stupidity would destroy a civilian doctor.

Would you have any validation for such an ignorant opinion?

What makes you think these were the only such mistakes they made.

I am suggesting that you chck the record and determine objectively whether the va gives comprable care to for profit hospitals...otherwise you are just venting your anger with no direction.

I once had an allergy to nutrasweet diagnosed as having too much sex.

If you do some research on nutrasweet you will find some interesting things about donald rumsfeld and of course the reaction ones body has to those chemicals.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/27/2014 1:35:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I am suggesting that you chck the record and determine objectively whether the va gives comprable care to for profit hospitals...otherwise you are just venting your anger with no direction."

That would explain the studies indicating that doctors kill at least 10 times as many people as guns.


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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/27/2014 1:37:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		"If you do some research on nutrasweet you will find some interesting things about donald rumsfeld and of course the reaction ones body has to those chemicals. "

I have, looking at it for 11 years military doctors couldn't get any closer than stress.


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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/27/2014 4:29:37 PM   
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"If you do some research on nutrasweet you will find some interesting things about donald rumsfeld and of course the reaction ones body has to those chemicals. "

I have, looking at it for 11 years military doctors couldn't get any closer than stress.



You know it is toxic, right?

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/27/2014 4:49:36 PM   
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That would explain the studies indicating that doctors kill at least 10 times as many people as guns.




Only to the ignorant and the gulible.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/doctor-deaths.htm

Dr. J. Mercola released a book in 2000 titled Doctors are the Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year. His breakdown, however, largely focuses on errors in hospitals and includes 12,000 deaths by unnecessary surgery, 7,000 due to medication errors in hospitals, 20,000 due to other errors in hospitals, 80,000 from infections in hospitals, and 106,000 from the negative effects of medications.
Comparing doctor deaths to accidental firearm deaths is meaningless, especially because doctors are dealing with people who are sick in the first place, some of whom are at high risk for death or have gone through high risk medical procedures.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/27/2014 7:44:05 PM   
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That would explain the studies indicating that doctors kill at least 10 times as many people as guns.




Only to the ignorant and the gulible.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/doctor-deaths.htm

Dr. J. Mercola released a book in 2000 titled Doctors are the Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year. His breakdown, however, largely focuses on errors in hospitals and includes 12,000 deaths by unnecessary surgery, 7,000 due to medication errors in hospitals, 20,000 due to other errors in hospitals, 80,000 from infections in hospitals, and 106,000 from the negative effects of medications.
Comparing doctor deaths to accidental firearm deaths is meaningless, especially because doctors are dealing with people who are sick in the first place, some of whom are at high risk for death or have gone through high risk medical procedures.

I wasn't promoting the study.
However that was in response to your apparent believe that military doctors are as good as civilian ones. If that were true it would lend credence to such reports. You ever have a doctor give a diagnosis of demonic possession?
If civilian doctors are as bad as the military doctors I dealt with the death toll would be astronomical.
Yes I know the stuff is toxic, I have avoided it like poison (which I consider it to be) for 20 years and
still have some effects from it. You can bet I have done some research on it.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/28/2014 4:18:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wasn't promoting the study.

If you were not promoting it why did you post that moronic bullshit as fact?

However that was in response to your apparent believe that military doctors are as good as civilian ones.

The doctors at the va are civilian.
All doctors in the u.s. go through the same accreditation process/

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/28/2014 7:58:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Accreditation processes for physicians are done by state governments and not all the same between the states.
In many V.A. districts; you can find a large number of graduates of non U.S. medical schools. The V.A. seems to be a good place for a foreign doctor to do their required U.S. residency to get accredited in the United States.
If you are lucky enough to get to see a specialist, and you get one of the doctors doing their military reserve time by working at a V.A. hospital, you will get excellent care. But, usually you get an intern or resident that has an accredited doctor overseeing them who you will never ever meet.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/28/2014 9:19:40 AM   
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Accreditation processes for physicians are done by state governments and not all the same between the states.
In many V.A. districts; you can find a large number of graduates of non U.S. medical schools. The V.A. seems to be a good place for a foreign doctor to do their required U.S. residency to get accredited in the United States.
If you are lucky enough to get to see a specialist, and you get one of the doctors doing their military reserve time by working at a V.A. hospital, you will get excellent care. But, usually you get an intern or resident that has an accredited doctor overseeing them who you will never ever meet.


Hence why I say the VA Hospitals should receive major help from the US Government. Improve the structures, the technology available, the care given to patients, the pay of doctors and nurses. Its absolutely criminal how its run right now.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/28/2014 10:20:04 AM   
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Hence why I say the VA Hospitals should receive major help from the US Government. Improve the structures, the technology available, the care given to patients, the pay of doctors and nurses. Its absolutely criminal how its run right now.


What,precisely is it that you would like to see happen? How does the pay of a doctor,nurse or technician at a va facility differ from a for profit hospital?

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/28/2014 10:46:12 AM   
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Accreditation processes for physicians are done by state governments and not all the same between the states.

True on the whole but not the whole truth.
Only those who have graduated from an acredited school may apply for licensing.
"All medical boards have continued to improve licensure processes, and a trend toward uniformity among licensing boards exists to enhance both the initial licensure process and licensure portability."

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/education-careers/becoming-physician/medical-licensure.page





In many V.A. districts; you can find a large number of graduates of non U.S. medical schools. The V.A. seems to be a good place for a foreign doctor to do their required U.S. residency to get accredited in the United States.

No the law is quite clear. One needs a license before one may practice medicine.

If you are lucky enough to get to see a specialist, and you get one of the doctors doing their military reserve time by working at a V.A. hospital, you will get excellent care. But, usually you get an intern or resident that has an accredited doctor overseeing them who you will never ever meet.

I have had just the opposite experience. When they bring in an intern the "real doctor" is there to hold his hand and convince me that this intern is the smartest of the bunch.



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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/28/2014 2:45:39 PM   
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Hence why I say the VA Hospitals should receive major help from the US Government. Improve the structures, the technology available, the care given to patients, the pay of doctors and nurses. Its absolutely criminal how its run right now.

What,precisely is it that you would like to see happen? How does the pay of a doctor,nurse or technician at a va facility differ from a for profit hospital?


I think I stated that, in general terms. More specific terms, would be determined by specific locations. I would like veterans obtaining better care, quicker, and with less bullshit. Just like Americans in the private sector healthcare.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/28/2014 2:59:14 PM   
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Hence why I say the VA Hospitals should receive major help from the US Government. Improve the structures, the technology available, the care given to patients, the pay of doctors and nurses. Its absolutely criminal how its run right now.

What,precisely is it that you would like to see happen? How does the pay of a doctor,nurse or technician at a va facility differ from a for profit hospital?


I think I stated that, in general terms. More specific terms, would be determined by specific locations. I would like veterans obtaining better care, quicker, and with less bullshit. Just like Americans in the private sector healthcare.


So you have nothing specific that you are upset about?
The va has been my primary care provider for more than 45 years. So far I have had no problems that were not solved in a timely manner.
Are there problems in the va...clearly in a body that large there must exist assholes that mess with the system. Root them out and move on.

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/28/2014 3:02:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Clients have told me that the care in VA hospitals varies widely.

Some are bad, some are excellent (I have sold homes to vets moving to this area for an excellent one). That sounds like about everything else in this country does it not?

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RE: 'State of the Art Healthcare' in the VA Hospitals. - 4/28/2014 4:10:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		We see from the cite about the arizona va that there are asswipes gaming the system...That is why audits with oversight seem to be a good idea.
I would agree that a bell curve exits for all enterprises and the va would be no different.
It is a health care provider that does a better job than for profit health care providers at a lower cost. The lower cost is not a factor of lower pay for the providers but because there is no profit for the corporations. The va is not like a school in a poor neighborhood that sufffers from low tax revenues to support the school. The va should be able to provide the same level of care everyplace there is a va hospital. That they do not is not an inditement of the system but rather an inditement of that particular va hospital.

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