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I don't know what else to call a group or "panel", if you will, that has the ability to make life and death decisions over other people?

The Ministry of Life, of course. [8|]

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Oh yeah . . . we pretend they don't exist.

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No, you dismissed it, claiming it's not relevant. It's precisely relevant.

Look, if we had unlimited resources at any given point, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Pretending it ain't so is exactly what's going on here.

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I have a service related 30% disability from my time in the Marine Corps. I have found the care and treatment I have received at the Baltimore VA Medical Center beyond outstanding.

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I have been deployed more than a dozen times and not once did I ever get a "debriefing".

I find it hard to believe that in all your deployments FAP or ACS never came to talk to you and your family. What service did you say you were in?

Believe what you choose...I was there and you were not.

To my knowledge headaches are not a symptom of PTSD.

Could they be a symptom of some other medical issue?

I was making a point of reference that the VA Rep made it clear they should come for anything.

That is the purpose of the va

PTSD symptoms-NIMH
1. Re-experiencing symptoms

Flashbacks—reliving the trauma over and over, including physical symptoms like a racing heart or sweating
Bad dreams
Frightening thoughts.

Re-experiencing symptoms may cause problems in a person’s everyday routine. They can start from the person’s own thoughts and feelings. Words, objects, or situations that are reminders of the event can also trigger re-experiencing.

2. Avoidance symptoms

Staying away from places, events, or objects that are reminders of the experience
Feeling emotionally numb
Feeling strong guilt, depression, or worry
Losing interest in activities that were enjoyable in the past
Having trouble remembering the dangerous event.

Things that remind a person of the traumatic event can trigger avoidance symptoms. These symptoms may cause a person to change his or her personal routine. For example, after a bad car accident, a person who usually drives may avoid driving or riding in a car.

3. Hyperarousal symptoms

Being easily startled
Feeling tense or “on edge”
Having difficulty sleeping, and/or having angry outbursts.

Hyperarousal symptoms are usually constant, instead of being triggered by things that remind one of the traumatic event. They can make the person feel stressed and angry. These symptoms may make it hard to do daily tasks, such as sleeping, eating, or concentrating.

The va list is a little more comprehensive.


How would seasonal allergies be the military's fault?

You may be unaware of this but when one is in the military every medical issue is the militarys responsibility.

That's like saying you got a cold and now it's your workplace's fault and they should pay for your time off. Getting sick is a life occupational hazard.

If one gets sick as a result of what one did in the military then the law requires the va to treat them.

I'm really not sure what branch of the military you're in, but one doesn't "rat" out fellow soldiers, airman, Marines and the like.

I took an oath when I was in the service that went to the tune of "I will not lie cheat or steal nor will I tolorate those who do".
If I catch some punkassmotherfucker sleeping on post you can bet your ass I will report it.


You think Band of Brothers was just a movie?

Yup, just a fucking movie with little relationship to what it is like to be in the military.

Besides..what good would it do to say "Oh Sgt. Smith over there? Yeah..his back doesn't hurt"

Who the hell would listen or care? The VA supposedly kept a secret list (aka doctoring books)..you think they would care if Joe over there was lying?

Perhaps you should go back and reread that article you are referencing...it does not say that. What the article said was that the punks running the arizona va were "cooking the books" and the va is investigating as to who is going to jail.

My point is..the VA for whatever reason tells these soldiers to lie to become rated and get money.

Nothing you have posted, so far, validates that. Your post stated that the reps counseled your husbands friends to tell the va of any symptoms that they had. You did not mention them counseling them to lie or fake symptom.


I'm not sure who that benefits other than the soldier and perhaps the VA.

How would the va make money on this?


The problem is not the money as much as it that it creates a backlog of cases and reviews..

You mean that the va might actually review any claims that a veteran might make concerning his/her health issues....that is their job.

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Much as I hate to agree with Thompson

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Tim, I think that's not exactly right.

Anything that the "government" pays for, it pays for with our money .


Just like anything ford buys it is bought with the money of ford owners.

Now, I'm not dumb enough to think that we can all have a say in what goes on with government spending but there has to be a way to set the system up where the over-seeing authority has no power to deny treatment to anyone.

Like the for profit insurance companies do now.

I think such an authority should be able to hold doctors and other health care providers responsible and to keep them in line, regarding pricing but I never want anyone who is paying into the system to be told by any government representative anything close to: "Sorry. You can't have that procedure as it isn't cost effective".

Like the for profit insurance companis do now.

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I don't see how we make that work, Michael. Look at the fraud we get in MediCare, and expand that to a view of where it would go in a total healthcare package.

Is it your claim that in the for profit medical field there is no fraud?[8|]


Fraud then leads to ever increasing regulation,

This would be an ignorant unsubstantiated opinon. The fact is that fraud ,when properly treated,leads to a prison cell.

which leads to ever increasing bureaucratic burdens and costs to meets the regulatory requirements, and a downward spiral in the quality of care.

This would be some more of that ignorant unsubstantiated opinion.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

"Death panels," as previously noted by Michael, is a colorful phrase to describe the bean-counters doing the cost/benefit analysis, but at least in a private system you can be your own bean-counter, or at least have some options about which set you get.

No in a "private" system you get what you can afford...the choice is usually limited to canned or dry dogfood.

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I have a service related 30% disability from my time in the Marine Corps. I have found the care and treatment I have received at the Baltimore VA Medical Center beyond outstanding.

That is great but I have a vastly different experience.
4 years after they took the tests, and from the original tests, they noticed my late wife had diabetes,
this was after they tried to give her penicillin, saying it was ok because her allergy to it may have gone away.

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Much as I hate to agree with Thompson

Why does the truth offend you when it is spoken by me?

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I have a service related 30% disability from my time in the Marine Corps. I have found the care and treatment I have received at the Baltimore VA Medical Center beyond outstanding.

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I have a service related 30% disability from my time in the Marine Corps. I have found the care and treatment I have received at the Baltimore VA Medical Center beyond outstanding.

I wish I could say that about the VA in my area... The incompetence is appalling. Appointments take months...and when you see a doctor you will be lucky if you can understand them. Most doctors in my area it seems or from India... I'm guessing they are competent enough but when you must request a translator it gets ridiculous.

Last year they had a big scandal about hundreds of veterans exposed to HIV because they were not washing dental equipment...at all.

I wish i had the answers other than more money and oversight.

Butch

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I'm glad to hear both of you are receiving good care...I guess it is the individual districts that need more oversight. What is ironic is my Senator Claire McCaskill has been the lead in reforming the VA...If she can't even get her own states VA system working what chance does she have on a national level?

Butch

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Much as I hate to agree with Thompson

Why does the truth offend you when it is spoken by me?