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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

Mastery as a concept hinges on the fact that the Master has an internal construct (core) that is unwavering-even when not owning.

When the master *Owns*, he  has conditioned a property to a state of internal enslavement-there is no worry as to how that property is addressed,what forms of address it is expected to use with others-or exactly how it is used or shared.

The property respects and honors it's place as being the owner's. This is discreet from Self mastery and honor.

A Master has the mindset that allows Ownership. So while the two concepts can be linked-merely having a servant does not make that possible.

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ORIGINAL: jezabelKH

This was posted in another area, and quite simply i just did not know how to answer it. well let's say i do know how to answer it, but it really should come from a Leather Lifestyle BDSM Master or Mistress. i read the replys it was getting in the other forum and no one was giving the right answer, probably because He is asking about BDSM questions in a Gorean Discussion Room. Would any Leather Lifestyle BDSM Masters or Mistresses like to touch on the subject of The Long History and Traditions of the BDSM Leather Lifestyle? Seeking truthfull, unbiased and educational answers please.
 
sincerely,
jezabel{KH}
just simply a slave
BDSM Alpha slave and Gorean kajira
The Poly House Of Hussey, A Multi Sect Household
Property Of Master Ken
 
Posted only to give a background on the questions being asked.
 
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ORIGINAL: agirl

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ORIGINAL: jezabelKH

This was posted in another area, and quite simply i just did not know how to answer it. well let's say i do know how to answer it, but it really should come from a Leather Lifestyle BDSM Master or Mistress. i read the replys it was getting in the other forum and no one was giving the right answer, probably because He is asking about BDSM questions in a Gorean Discussion Room. Would any Leather Lifestyle BDSM Masters or Mistresses like to touch on the subject of The Long History and Traditions of the BDSM Leather Lifestyle? Seeking truthfull, unbiased and educational answers please.
 
sincerely,
jezabel{KH}
just simply a slave
BDSM Alpha slave and Gorean kajira
The Poly House Of Hussey, A Multi Sect Household
Property Of Master Ken
 
Posted only to give a background on the questions being asked.
 
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If you consider that *no-one was giving the right answers*...then you have made at least some kind of decision as to what are the *right or wrong* answers already?

Although I'm no expert on anything at all.......I'd still suggest that the reasons given, fall short of the ACTUAL reasons chaps may not like a slave calling others *Master*.

There may be a *tradition* in Gor, there may be *tradition* in BDSM, up to a point.....but the individual nature of bdsm relationships ( used loosely) meander far from any given *path*.

Kedikat's post would probably be close to anything I'm comfortable with or identify with.

agirl

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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This was posted in another area, and quite simply i just did not know how to answer it. well let's say i do know how to answer it, but it really should come from a Leather Lifestyle BDSM Master or Mistress.

 
::snipped for brevity. First of all, let me say that I disagree with you as to where this should have been posted. Clearly, that OP was seeking feedback on why Goreans were behaving in ways akin to non-Goreans on titles, protocols, etc. If you want feedback from Goreans, you must ask Goreans.
 

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Are there other reasons for this that you have seen? What do you think is the reason or the most common reason behind this behavior? Why do people continue to do it after learning what the common and proper Gorean practice is?

   
 
The question as stated can't be answered in the general BDSM forums except by Goreans.
 
Now, on to 'your' question which is very different from the snippet you posted from the other forum.
 

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Would any Leather Lifestyle BDSM Masters or Mistresses like to touch on the subject of The Long History and Traditions of the BDSM Leather Lifestyle?

 
First might I suggest a trip out to Chitown to visit the Leather Archive and Museum.
 
http://www.leatherarchives.org/

It's a wonderful place to start to educate yourself on the history of the modern leather movement such as it exists. 

As far as any sort of 'common' history which is shared by one and all .. such an animal does not exist.

BDSM is too broad and vast to be whittled down to a single history. Rather, like life itself, it is ongoing and ever growing with a diverse population which is ever changing.

The only commonality that we all share is that we are all human.. and even that will be hotly debated in some circles as well.

Celeste
 
    
 
 

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i was however asking the questions from the vast wealth of BDSM Leather Masters and Mistresses here on collarme.com but thanks for your response and sharing the url. 
 

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ORIGINAL: jezabelKH

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ORIGINAL: agirl

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ORIGINAL: jezabelKH

This was posted in another area, and quite simply i just did not know how to answer it. well let's say i do know how to answer it, but it really should come from a Leather Lifestyle BDSM Master or Mistress. i read the replys it was getting in the other forum and no one was giving the right answer, probably because He is asking about BDSM questions in a Gorean Discussion Room. Would any Leather Lifestyle BDSM Masters or Mistresses like to touch on the subject of The Long History and Traditions of the BDSM Leather Lifestyle? Seeking truthfull, unbiased and educational answers please.
 
sincerely,
jezabel{KH}
just simply a slave
BDSM Alpha slave and Gorean kajira
The Poly House Of Hussey, A Multi Sect Household
Property Of Master Ken
 
Posted only to give a background on the questions being asked.
 
"Start Of Quote"
 

If you consider that *no-one was giving the right answers*...then you have made at least some kind of decision as to what are the *right or wrong* answers already?

Although I'm no expert on anything at all.......I'd still suggest that the reasons given, fall short of the ACTUAL reasons chaps may not like a slave calling others *Master*.

There may be a *tradition* in Gor, there may be *tradition* in BDSM, up to a point.....but the individual nature of bdsm relationships ( used loosely) meander far from any given *path*.

Kedikat's post would probably be close to anything I'm comfortable with or identify with.

agirl

thanks for your reply. i guess the correct wording should have been i was searching for an answer from a BDSM Lifestyle Master or Mistress not a Gorean Master or Mistress.
 
i do have to agree with you, His answer's are lacking and that is why i am bringing the questions to the BDSM Lifestyle Master or Mistresses for their opinion on His post.
 
sincerely
jezabel{KH}
just simply a slave
Property Of Master Ken

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ORIGINAL: reticence

Lashra and Kedikat, if I may ask you both.  You both say you want your slaves to call only YOU. Master/Mistress.  If you were to be a guest in a Gorean home, and knew the "house rules" were to use those words for all the "Masters" and "Mistresses" in the home.  Would you instruct your slave to do that for the duration of the visit?  Would that be enough for you to not visit the home of a Gorean, even if you had made friends with them?  This is just for my own personal edification, I am not Gorean, and am honestly not asking to be argumentative. 

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ORIGINAL: reticence

Lashra and Kedikat, if I may ask you both.  You both say you want your slaves to call only YOU. Master/Mistress.  If you were to be a guest in a Gorean home, and knew the "house rules" were to use those words for all the "Masters" and "Mistresses" in the home.  Would you instruct your slave to do that for the duration of the visit?  Would that be enough for you to not visit the home of a Gorean, even if you had made friends with them?  This is just for my own personal edification, I am not Gorean, and am honestly not asking to be argumentative. 

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ORIGINAL: feastie

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ORIGINAL: reticence

Lashra and Kedikat, if I may ask you both.  You both say you want your slaves to call only YOU. Master/Mistress.  If you were to be a guest in a Gorean home, and knew the "house rules" were to use those words for all the "Masters" and "Mistresses" in the home.  Would you instruct your slave to do that for the duration of the visit?  Would that be enough for you to not visit the home of a Gorean, even if you had made friends with them?  This is just for my own personal edification, I am not Gorean, and am honestly not asking to be argumentative. 

This question isn't addressed to me, but I'm going to touch on it anyway.  Seems to me, that anyone having guests in their home, be they Gorean, BDSM, D/s or people that aren't in the slightest kinky, have an obligation to make guests feel welcome in their home.  Wouldn't enforcing rules on visitors who are not Gorean make them feel unwelcome?