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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Way to make up your own facts there.

Really? Marriage at 9 (which is before 18) is not child marriage?

What you mean to say is *some* marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Agreed. But the UN doesn't keep any better statistics that I know of. And it is widely considered an accurate measuring stick for actual child marriage.

Nice try. Notice you still haven't condemned muslim pedophilia. Why is that?

It depends on the culture.

We here are able to marry legally at aged 16 - still below your quoted age of 18.
Would you classify that as pedophilia and rape?
Many other countries and cultures are also legally allowed to marry before aged 18.

In Poland, Romania, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia, Argentina and Peru, the legal age is 16.
In Mali, Benin, Niger, DRC, Cameroon, Iran, Costa Rica and Gabon, it's 15.
In Bolivia, Venezuela, Mexico, Mozambique and Madagascar, it's 14.
Equatorial Guinea is 12.
In Sudan and Saudi Arabia there is no age limit whatsoever.
Source: http://chartsbin.com/view/sr6
And note that quite a few of those countries are not Islamic, but Christian (notably Catholic).

Across India and other muslim countries, being betrothed before teenage years is very common and accepted in that culture.
Whilst we in the west deplore such arrangements and call it pedophilia, in many other cultures it's perfectly acceptable and universally allowed.

And who are we to judge others by our own moral yardstick?
Pot and kettle come to mind here

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

And still you miss the point......... The sexual abuse of children is rife in the west, including the UK...... Instead of accepting that fact you prefer to make an issue just of the religious aspect.

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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus
I like how the british can conveniently forget that they're living in a civilized culture when the urge strikes just to prove a point, but come off it, 16 is a far cry from 14 or 12 or literally no age limit, and considering arranged marriage is not exactly en vogue in the UK it's largely an invalid arguement for similarity. No one in the UK is forcing the 16 year old to marry a rich 30 year old so he can get his rocks off fucking someone way younger than him.

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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

And still you miss the point......... The sexual abuse of children is rife in the west, including the UK...... Instead of accepting that fact you prefer to make an issue just of the religious aspect.

I never said it wasn't, I said it wasn't state sanctioned and institutionalized or on a comparable scale, you breighing ass.

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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

And still you miss the point......... The sexual abuse of children is rife in the west, including the UK...... Instead of accepting that fact you prefer to make an issue just of the religious aspect.

I never said it wasn't, I said it wasn't state sanctioned and institutionalized or on a comparable scale, you breighing ass.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus
I like how the british can conveniently forget that they're living in a civilized culture when the urge strikes just to prove a point, but come off it, 16 is a far cry from 14 or 12 or literally no age limit, and considering arranged marriage is not exactly en vogue in the UK it's largely an invalid arguement for similarity. No one in the UK is forcing the 16 year old to marry a rich 30 year old so he can get his rocks off fucking someone way younger than him.

Interesting.
Try telling that to the thousands of young English muslims who are forcibly taken back to their homelands and forced into marriages they don't want.
Then there are so many Islamic "courts" that forbid women to complain against their husbands or rape a very young bride.
There are also many cases of "honour killings" that go unpunished because the Islamic "courts" do not see it as something intrinsically wrong and let the perpetrators off scott free and hide the identity of those from the authorities trying to investigate the murders.
All the victims are threatened with being killed if they try to "out" the perpetrators of such crimes.

We are trying to stamp out these illegal Islamic proceedings but the people, even British born and bred, are still subject to their religious upbringing and bow to that rather than the actual law here.
Go figure.


So yes, amongst the Islamics here, it is very much "en-vogue" and it does happen surprisingly frequently.
Ergo, a very poignant PoV for argument.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus
I like how the british can conveniently forget that they're living in a civilized culture when the urge strikes just to prove a point, but come off it, 16 is a far cry from 14 or 12 or literally no age limit, and considering arranged marriage is not exactly en vogue in the UK it's largely an invalid arguement for similarity. No one in the UK is forcing the 16 year old to marry a rich 30 year old so he can get his rocks off fucking someone way younger than him.

Interesting.
Try telling that to the thousands of young English muslims who are forcibly taken back to their homelands and forced into marriages they don't want.
Then there are so many Islamic "courts" that forbid women to complain against their husbands or rape a very young bride.
There are also many cases of "honour killings" that go unpunished because the Islamic "courts" do not see it as something intrinsically wrong and let the perpetrators off scott free and hide the identity of those from the authorities trying to investigate the murders.
All the victims are threatened with being killed if they try to "out" the perpetrators of such crimes.

We are trying to stamp out these illegal Islamic proceedings but the people, even British born and bred, are still subject to their religious upbringing and bow to that rather than the actual law here.
Go figure.


So yes, amongst the Islamics here, it is very much "en-vogue" and it does happen surprisingly frequently.
Ergo, a very poignant PoV for argument.

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

Not everyone wants saved from their own culture and tribe. Some may even like their own ways and don't want to be civilized.
Some might really resent us trying to force our ways on them.
Even some of the young brides, it has been their way for how long?
We are always trying to tame the savages, aren't we. So peaceful. Try taming a lion? Lions are just lions, and they might play for awhile, but sometimes they bite you. They were born to be the wild.
Pinocchio had a very long nose it tended to get right in the middle of things. What an odd thing to say.

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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus

You're the one defending forced marriage and child rape,

You are the one who is equating "arranged marriages" with child rape. Would you have any sort of validation for that premis?


but your moral relativist "it's okay that's their culture" bullshit doesn't remove the filth from the practice or the suffering it causes.

What do you feel should be the age of consent?



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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Way to make up your own facts there.

Really? Marriage at 9 (which is before 18) is not child marriage?

What you mean to say is *some* marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Agreed. But the UN doesn't keep any better statistics that I know of. And it is widely considered an accurate measuring stick for actual child marriage.

Nice try. Notice you still haven't condemned muslim pedophilia. Why is that?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus

You're the one defending forced marriage and child rape,

You are the one who is equating "arranged marriages" with child rape. Would you have any sort of validation for that premis?


but your moral relativist "it's okay that's their culture" bullshit doesn't remove the filth from the practice or the suffering it causes.

What do you feel should be the age of concent?

Oh sorry, let me rephrase that for you on the first one, rape of multiple kinds, for a lifetime in many cases.


as for the second inquiry as to age of consent in a perfect world it would be based on emotional and intellectual maturity, but since most people never even approach that point and there is a certain call for order 18 seems respectable.

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You haven't condemned murder in Spain either. Why is that?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Oh sorry, let me rephrase that for you on the first one, rape of multiple kinds, for a lifetime in many cases.

So far all you have offered is opinion do you have any validation for your premis?


as for the second inquiry as to age of consent in a perfect world it would be based on emotional and intellectual maturity, but since most people never even approach that point and there is a certain call for order 18 seems respectable.

Why 18? Why not 19 or 21? Why not 25? You have to be 25 to be in congress. Why not 35? You have to be 35 to be president. Why does the state of california want roman polanski? Cuz he fucked a 15 year old when the age of consent in california was 16. Cleopatra was queen of eqypt when she was 12.
What do those who study the structure and function of the brain tell us about how the brain ages.
Are you smarter than your mom and dad?