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Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/27/2014 7:42:27 PM

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There is a quote from the opening of this show that gives me pause.

"If I had a past life, then I have a future one."

I'm curious to hear others' points of views on reincarnation.

If you believe, what led you to believe?

If you don't believe, what makes you discount the stories of others?

If you are on the fence, what do you think would make you fall into one side or the other?

There is also this show, called "Ghost Inside My Child", which sounds like a possession, but that isn't the content of the show at all. If you watch all the videos in sequence (they will play automatically, one after the other) you will ge the entire show, including commercials! Woo hoo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95kFkLsDLGM&list=PLHkel-60RmiUsHdwRHBzKSy-y6jTmgyzG

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/27/2014 8:54:09 PM

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I LOVE this topic!

I am a non-believer. However, I don't think I discount the belief of others. I accept that they believe that they've lived before.

On the other hand, I need evidence that I can "see" for myself.

Two times in my life, I've had "death experiences". I was dead for three and a half minutes and 12 minutes. I saw a "white light" (almost exactly like the white light I saw when the back of my head hit the floor the one and only time I fainted). I didn't "see God". I didn't see any family members that had gone on before. So, I also don't believe in what people commonly describe as "near death experiences".

I can't tell you why I don't believe. I just don't. I do believe it's possible but I've no evidence to suggest it. It's the same reason I don't believe in ghosts.

I like to think that if someone could show me some real evidence, I'd believe it but, maybe I am just a hard head.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/27/2014 9:11:13 PM

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Hi DeviantlyD,

I'm sure there's no proof of reincarnation or not, just like there's no proof of whether Diety/ies exist or not.

I do know I've had some things I can't shake that feel, inside my head, like memories but not from this time period. They're from various other time periods. I know I don't believe that once we die, that's the end of the road & there's nothing after, but I don't feel like I was meant to be here for just a short time either, which makes me think I will have more than one incarnation.

Imagine all the souls that would have to be crammed into the afterlife if each and every person who ever lived got a brand-new one. I know all my ramblings make absolutely no sense but those are the things that went through my mind way back when I was trying to form coherent thoughts on what I believe.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/27/2014 9:24:34 PM

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I find, much like Daddysatyr, that I lack faith in all things supernatural. Like him I would re-evaluate my own views given a credible source of evidence.

NBMG makes a good point, as Sagan said, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!"

However; in the tens of thousands of years of human existence we have many unique phenomenon. If reincarnation were, in fact, true, then why do so few people have these experiences? Why are they nearly always from a time period that has been grossly romanticized? Lastly: why does it nearly always include a spiritual medium (well known cold reading specialists) to bring these memories out? I find that since nearly all the cases I know of aren't organic and spontaneous I have a hard time accepting them as real.

Just my own personal views, of course.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/27/2014 10:07:45 PM

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I don't believe specifically in reincarnation, but I do believe our current understanding of human consciousness, and the relationship of that to space and time, is grossly inadequate to account for the broad range of peculiarities and experiences that occur throughout our species.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/27/2014 11:07:10 PM

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Since the current world population is vastly greater than it has been all throughout history, I just find it too hard to believe that some people have had multiple past lives. There must be a lot of new souls being created all the time to keep up with the demand of new bodies being created. So what allows some people to get repeated attempts? Who or what assigns souls to bodies? Are there billions of souls waiting for another try?

Then it seems that most people have pretty short and miserable lives. You never seem to hear people having multiple past lives in which they died of childhood illnesses at a young age, though statistically these should be very common (and logically, the souls most likely to come back since they never really got a shot at it).

I think it's a lovely idea. I love the notion that I and my loved ones might get to spend a dozen lifetimes together, reborn over and over only to find each other. But believe it? No.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/27/2014 11:41:59 PM

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I always say I must have been a total bitch in a previous life to account for what I am dealing with now.

I mean I must have really been BAD.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 12:05:15 AM

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I would like to respond to some of the ideas raised so far.

I get the need for proof. There are some things (including this topic) where I wish I had something that would constitute proof (for me) so that any doubts are alleviated. But at the same time, I recognize the need for faith, the idea that there are concepts, ideas, consciounesses (is that even a word?) beyond our human comprehension.

From what I have seen, it's never been a medium that has brought forth examples of reincarnation, but hypnotherapists. There is one such person, Dr. Brian Weiss, who has related his experiences starting with an unexpected one in his practice in 1980. He was educated at Columbia and Yale, so less likely to be a quack therapist. This page explains it better than I could. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/01/brian-weiss-afterlife_n_3367303.html

From what I've read, incarnation doesn't happen sequentially. There can be many generations that pass before one would incarnate again. Although the population from centuries past may not have been what it is today, lifespans of generations past were also shorter. So that may factor into it.

Then there is the idea that those who incarnate may not be of this world. I have heard the theory that other life forms must exist out in the universe as one that is attributed to many various scientists. Even though there is no commonly known "proof" of such a concept, I've heard it said that scientists say it's arrogant for us to believe we are the only life forms in existence. So...could that be where others incarnate from?

Of the comments stated here, I would say those by TheHeretic fall most closely (though not entirely) in line with my own. I don't believe we have the level of intelligence required to understand all that goes on.

If you watch the show "Reincarnation: Past Lives", you'll find people, under hypnosis, relating experiences and such that they couldn't have known about, yet historical proof backs up some of what they say.

Reincarnation does introduce the topic of an afterlife, but I consider it to be somewhat separate. For that I have several experiences, related to me from different people in my life. Perhaps I will save that for another day. :)

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 12:16:15 AM

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Reincarnation is one of those things that I never could decide if I fully believed in it. But I love the idea of it and would choose to believe in it than other things. When I was a child, my parents didn't necessarily monitor what I read, they just let me read whatever and I can remember in the books I choose to read that I was introduced to reincarnation, and I remember thinking it was the coolest thing ever. Eventually, when I was an active Christian, I decided that my concept of reincarnation didn't match with the things I was supposed to believe as a Christian, so I stopped paying close attention to them. The last couple of years when I decided I was not a Christian anymore, I started reading books about the Source Field, and Reincarnation and multiple subjects so am back to thinking it is fun to believe in.

I was told by a person we know who does free readings, (also, the most accurate psychic I've ever met) that I have been here twice before; one time about 200 years ago in Germany, and in the life after that, I died at a young age of like two or something. So, I've never fully subscribed to it, but some of the other things she told me were accurate enough that I'm willing to have fun thoughts of my two past lives even if I don't fully believe in it.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 12:24:20 AM

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sexyred1: I don't believe your experiences are due to bad karma. At least not all of them. I can't say why you are going through what you are...and my heart definitely goes out to what you must be going through...*hugs*...I can only relate a thought that came to me today when I was questioning my own life experiences. (That past couple of days have been shittier than usual.) We can ask why...we can look at the misery in our lives...we can hate all of the negative stuff...we can focus on what we don't have and what we want to have...but wouldn't it be better...wouldn't we be just a bit happier, if we could focus on the good things? I'm not trying to downplay what you are going through. What I'm saying is that instead of giving our attention to the crap (because let's face it, the crap is going to happen and a lot of it we don't have control over) give our attention to what IS good. I don't mean what some might say "oh you're alive, that's something!" (Really?) But what IS good in your life? Do you see anything beautiful in your surroundings, for example? Did someone try to lift your spirits or say something nice? I can't really tell you what and I wouldn't want to. Based on my own experiences I really do not like when people tell me "do this", "be this", "this works for me" (so of course it's going to work for you!), etc. But I would suggest giving more importance to the good stuff than to the bad stuff. That was the thought that came to me when I was trying to figure out my life today.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 12:32:58 AM

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I've read a lot about reincarnation and mostly do believe in it however I have questions. For instance, what part of you comes back is it similar to where you left off in your past life or is it more of a separate life.

From what I read these are the main lines of thinking, assuming you believe in it:
1) Transmigration (human - animal or other life forms)
2)Multiple lives not necessarily sequential, this category ranges from 3-5 to hundreds of lives or alternate or parallel universe lives, depending on your soul growth, path and other things. Not all of your lives will result in progress, you might be helping others out as a player in their main drama until they help you out in some of your dramatic roles.
3)Sequential, where you live one after the other basically.
4)Another theory is that you have an oversoul, and when you die you become an oversoul, and so on ...

Most of the theories I follow believe that the soul is the actual part of god which becomes fragmented and then seeks to rejoin the whole after its cycle of lives is completed. However the Human form has free choice which must not exist on other levels, even the choice to do evil acts.

Another person who has written about reincarnation is Dr. Bruce Goldberg. Also Michael Newton does or did past life regression. Another big problem to me is that there is no justice here. If you are harmed, lets say you get it paid back in a future life but when and how. Its not the same the way I see it and it actually makes me more angry if I don't get paid back if I was harmed the more lives that go on. From the stand point of the "amnesia" that most people don't remember their past lives consciously, most theories feel that it is a chance to have a clean slate from both sides, both you and the other people/souls you interact with. If you did something terribly wrong then that guilt wouldn't weigh you down in the next life if you don't recall it all, just some type of agreement that you have to pay someone back something.

I don't think there is a numerical limit to the number of souls who can be on earth lets say if there are 6 billion people on earth at this time there had to be 6 billion souls somewhere. I just don't think the number is limited by God.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 1:51:44 AM

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I used to believe in reincarnation ages ago. New Ages ago. It's a seductive belief system that has a magnetic appeal for escapists. Everyone I have ever met, including a few Hindi, have a false sense of entitlement as a result.
It gives one license to demand better treatment from others, not based on merits achieved in one's own lifetime, but to ride on the coattails of a conjured entity who achieved this or that in a past life.
There are some who elicit sympathy for a past-life tragic event to justify why they are the way they are in this present life, why they have the phobias, anxieties and unexplained symptoms of PTSD in this life.
I do, however, believe that as a symbolic language of the soul, past-life symbology has therapeutic value. So does dream symbolism and the art & science of dream interpretation, but most of us can differentiate between a dream and reality.

The pitfall of embracing a reincarnation belief system is that it does not improve one's life conditions. Look at those countries who have adopted a karmic reincarnational belief system. Are these countries more humane to their fellow man? More prosperous, more progressive? The proof is in the pudding.

Even if it weren't "factual," it is better to believe that we all have just one life to live and to make the most of it, than to fall into escapist thinking patterns where you don't feel you have to be the best that you can be because you'll always get a second, third, or infinite number of chances to do it over again.

As for eternal life, this I do believe in, but not in a carnal world of fleshly mortality that keeps recycling itself. I still believe there are other multi-dimensional realities of which we cannot fully comprehend. Perhaps we're not meant to until humanity as a whole is ready to shift into the next (higher) level of group consciousness per critical mass.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 2:11:11 AM

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@FieryOpal: If you read Dr. Brian Weiss' web page, you will see that with many of his past life regression patients, they overcame health problems. so this would improve one's life conditions.

I also completely disagree that those believing that reincarnation happens somehow gives them a free pass to behave badly. Yes, I don't dispute that there are people who may behave this way, but I think it speaks more to the type of person they are than believing in a particular concept. Personally, I wouldn't want to have another chance to improve upon my choices in life. I want to try to get it as right as I can this time around because the shitty stuff in life isn't something I want to go through again. And there is, even with the most charmed lives, shitty stuff. It's too hard.

Oh there are so many other thoughts I have. But I cannot articulate them this late at night...going to bed.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 2:21:38 AM

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@FieryOpal: If you read Dr. Brian Weiss' web page, you will see that with many of his past life regression patients, they overcame health problems. so this would improve one's life conditions.
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I have read Dr. Weiss's books. I have no reason to doubt his credibility as to the therapeutic value of his past-life regression methodologies for many of his patients. With the exception of one confessional anecdote of his which does bring his professional integrity into question.

He had two patients who coincidentally had a relationship in their past lives, allegedly. One had been an indentured servant. The other had been his cruel Master who kept him shackled when not put to work. This Master also raped his servant repeatedly.
Dr. Weiss could not fight the impulse to bring these two together in their present lives out of morbid curiosity to see whether they would recognize one another.
It was at this point that this doctor lost all personal and professional credibility in my eyes.
He must not have sworn the Hippocratic Oath to Do No Harm by using these two patients of his like experimental guinea pigs, non-consensually.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 3:09:02 AM

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A variation I read once was that of an astrologer. The gist of it was that you're incarnated first as an Aries, then you go through each of the signs in each new incarnation till you hit Pisces. After Pisces, the last sign of the zodiac, you don't have to come back any more. The principle was that in each incarnation of each zodiac sign, your different personality would lead to your learning different things. After Pisces, you'll have learned as much as wisdom as it's possible to achieve on the mortal coil.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 3:24:29 AM

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quote:

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A variation I read once was that of an astrologer. The gist of it was that you're incarnated first as an Aries, then you go through each of the signs in each new incarnation till you hit Pisces. After Pisces, the last sign of the zodiac, you don't have to come back any more. The principle was that in each incarnation of each zodiac sign, your different personality would lead to your learning different things. After Pisces, you'll have learned as much as wisdom as it's possible to achieve on the mortal coil.

You're not the only one who's heard this theory, which is why astrologers consider Pisceans to be "old souls."

But then the issue is raised whether one believes in astrology. I've also heard that since the sign Pisces rules the feet that they tend to be foot fetishists. Who knows?
It would be cool if one's kinks and fetishes could be revealed by examining a person's natal chart.
I have an astrologer-friend who can spot indicators (planetary aspects) of power dynamics to determine Dominant and submissive tendencies. She's usually uncannily right.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 5:02:09 AM

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Let me guess - you're a Piscean, like me?

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 6:14:30 AM

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Let me guess - you're a Piscean, like me?

No, I'm a Libra, but I had this feeling you were a Pisces! Most Pisces males are submissive, I've noticed, in one way or another.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 7:14:23 AM

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I can't remember what I did last week. How am I going to remember a past life?

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 7:19:04 AM

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What I am an aries and have to live a bunch more lives here, what a bunch of doo doo!

lol

It is an interesting thought, because there is so much we really don't know about life. ITs all very fascinating.

I don't dream of past lives but I have had probably, guessing, 5-7 deja vu type happenings in my life. The feeling of wow this seems familiar, have I did this before? This seems like it has been acted out before. Like a knowing. But then again, it might just be a similar situation I have forgotten from an earlier time. But I never can remember the earlier time.

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