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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 12:26:39 PM

jlf1961

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Willful ignorance is not what most liberals or normal folks engaged in....

We don`t have to.

No you don't have to, you can just keep lying about everything. Not much difference from the other side if you ask me. But it is fun to watch them make you dance.

Is it still lying if you do a fact check that proves your point and eliminates the validity of the opposing point?

For example, there were "wmd's" found in Iraq, if you look at the munitions in their functional state. However a WMD ceases to be a WMD when they are totally harmless, which is what was found in Iraq. And according to inspectors, had been for at least 10 years, thus nullifying the Bush argument that Iraq had WMD's as a reason to invade.

Then it was because Saddam Hussein was giving support to Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda. He was providing places for these terrorists to live until they died of unnatural causes, in his prisons. You see, Hussein was a Sunni, and Bin Laden was a Shia Muslim. The tow sects get along about as well the KKK and the NAACP.

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 2:57:30 PM

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 3:04:33 PM

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Willful ignorance is not what most liberals or normal folks engaged in....

We don`t have to.

No you don't have to, you can just keep lying about everything. Not much difference from the other side if you ask me. But it is fun to watch them make you dance.

My party doesn`t have to defend using torture.......your`s does....

Pretending both parties are the same on this subject is asinine.

My party doesn`t have to defend attacks on LGBT rights and homosexual bigotry.....your`s does.

Pretending both parties are the same on this subject is asinine.

My party doesn`t tolerate sexual offenders or racists.....your`s does.

Pretending both parties are the same on this subject is asinine.

My party doesn`t have to defend shutting down our gov. costing taxpayets millions and our economy billions......Your`s does.

Pretending both parties are the same on this subject is asinine.

My party didn`t embrace POS clive bundy......your`s did,

Pretending both parties are the same on this subject is asinine.

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 3:10:17 PM

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I see nothing in Palin 's statement that remotely
Approaches what you said jlf.

Can you read?

http://gawker.com/sarah-palin-says-shed-waterboard-terrorists-and-call-it-1568455308

"If I were in charge, they would know that waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists."

I didn't think so.

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 4:00:29 PM

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Well it was proven some time ago that 'enhanced interrogation" or "torture" is rarely effective. At least in the ways that the CIA was doing it. They forgot the lessons learned in South Vietnam while working with the South Vietnamese military intelligence personnel.

Back in the day, unofficially and will be denied unless the records are actually released, and they still exist, you do not torture the person you want the intel from.

You force them to watch you torture some other poor bastard until they are about to die, or do die. Then you pick another poor bastard and do the same to them. When you finally get to the one you know has the intel you want, he is more than willing to talk, and in detail. SOG and unofficial CIA controlled units got pristine intel in this manner.

Another technique was to take about 5 to 8 vc or nva up in a huey to about 5000 feet, ask one a question, if he didnt answer, let him walk home. Repeat. Again by the time you got to the last guy, he was singing like a bird.

After some liberal congressman started snooping around, the US units just turned over the prisoners to the South Vietnamese with a list of questions they wanted answered, and they did the dirty work.

If you want to believe that the black ops units in the US military do not use similar techniques, I have some beach front property in Bakersfield CA I will sell you. And it will not be a lie, you just have to wait a million or so years for the west coast to move far enough north.

And honestly if it saves lives, I dont give a fuck how the information is obtained. Especially if it is American lives.

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 4:02:34 PM

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 4:04:30 PM

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A number of posters in this section have continually defended her, insisting she's qualified for VP/President and that her positions are realistic.

Any with a three digit iq?

All of them, if you add their respective IQ scores.

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 5:33:13 PM

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No, I don't think anyone can. Now you could always ignore her, but I honestly doubt that will happen either. After all, as long as she can be used to make the right look like idiots, she is still useful to the left.

Sure leftists paid her to speak to the NRA. We are not the ones that send money to this grafter. We are not the ones that watch her various media appearances. But people on the right do most certainly send her money, pay to hear her speak, buy her books and watch her blather on FNC.

You wouldn't look to be such a complete hypocrite if you'd own the fact that the organized right really is a fucking cesspit or hate, conspiracy theorists and corporate lackeys. You might be right of center but it is time to take the blinders off and look at what is really going on.

For instance the "patriots" who run the tea party groups are getting rich off the suckers who donate to them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/tea-party-pacs-reap-money-for-midterms-but-spend-little-on-candidates/2014/04/26/0e52919a-cbd6-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 5:38:47 PM

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I've always wondered how she ended up being picked to run as McCain's running mate in 2008, which is what put her in the national spotlight in the first place. And then I would wonder why she's still there. Why don't the media ever show the smartest people from both sides, liberals and conservatives?

I think Bill Clinton is one of the smartest people on the left. It didn't earn him any respect. Same for Obama.

On the right if you look at Ted Cruz's resume there can be little doubt that the man is brilliant. But either he has suffered serious brain damage or he is playing at being really dumb. Why? Is it because coming across as brilliant would be an actual negative in running for high office as a Republican?

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 5:47:13 PM

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Well it was proven some time ago that 'enhanced interrogation" or "torture" is rarely effective. At least in the ways that the CIA was doing it. They forgot the lessons learned in South Vietnam while working with the South Vietnamese military intelligence personnel.

Back in the day, unofficially and will be denied unless the records are actually released, and they still exist, you do not torture the person you want the intel from.

You force them to watch you torture some other poor bastard until they are about to die, or do die. Then you pick another poor bastard and do the same to them. When you finally get to the one you know has the intel you want, he is more than willing to talk, and in detail. SOG and unofficial CIA controlled units got pristine intel in this manner.

Another technique was to take about 5 to 8 vc or nva up in a huey to about 5000 feet, ask one a question, if he didnt answer, let him walk home. Repeat. Again by the time you got to the last guy, he was singing like a bird.

After some liberal congressman started snooping around, the US units just turned over the prisoners to the South Vietnamese with a list of questions they wanted answered, and they did the dirty work.

If you want to believe that the black ops units in the US military do not use similar techniques, I have some beach front property in Bakersfield CA I will sell you. And it will not be a lie, you just have to wait a million or so years for the west coast to move far enough north.

And honestly if it saves lives, I dont give a fuck how the information is obtained. Especially if it is American lives.

You might get useful battlefield intel that way from low level prisoners, which is what happened in Vietnam. But if you're dealing with the top guys in an organization they may not be as easy to break and the intel you need is strictly in their heads.

For instance we know KSM knew the name, and other info, of the courier that led us to OBL. Multiple rounds of torture didn't get that vital bit of intel out of him. As a matter of fact the CIA report on our torture program revealed that no actionable intelligence was gathered either by us or our "allies" by means of torture.

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 6:09:26 PM

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It`s pretty clear though,that blood guzzling psychopaths like palin and her dumb shit defenders really don`t care if torture is effective or not.....

They just want to torture Muslims and other brown people....

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 7:29:36 PM

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Just to the OP, without reading the rest yet

Not appropriate, but a very funny image!

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 7:40:55 PM

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It`s pretty clear though,that blood guzzling psychopaths like palin and her dumb shit defenders really don`t care if torture is effective or not.....

They just want to torture Muslims and other brown people....

Actually, if American lives are at risk, I dont care how the intel is gained, truth serum with some of the hypnotic drugs have proved effective, with some incentive (pain) but of course, they are not 100% effective.

According to Islam, an insane person or castrated male cannot enter heaven, so there are ways to achieve insanity and as for castration, rusty knife works.

My problem is calling it "enhanced interrogation techniques, "baptisms" or any other bullshit term.

Palin's statement is an insult to Christians, and blatantly stupid.

Sure, torture is a war crime, but every other fucking country does it, so big deal.

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 7:54:24 PM

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I started a thread years ago, calling for cons to put their mouths where there money was and answer a "24"/Jack Bauer type question.

The question......,knowing that homo sex would dam a Muslim to hell(at least they would think so,even if it was forced)would our brave male republican patriots go down on one and suck them off to get "the secrets"?

I was able to get luckydog admit that he would go there......if need be....

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 8:17:28 PM

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I've always wondered how she ended up being picked to run as McCain's running mate in 2008

That's pretty straightforward. They wanted a woman to try to offset Obama's pigmentation in the race. They wanted someone with the state level executive experience of a Governor, to offset having a Senator at the top of the ticket. That left them with a small pool.

Sarah Palin was a corruption fighter, and considered a rising star. She went from the PTA to the Governor's desk in a remarkably short amount of time. She broke loose a scandal that brought down a sitting Governor of her own party to do it. There was a perception that she would be a match to the "maverick" theme McCain was trying to carry.

Not to toot my own horn (because if I was right all the time, you fuckers would have to pay to read my shit), but I actually predicted here in the forums that she would be the veep nominee, about a week before the announcement was made.

What didn't happen though, was giving her a good, in person vetting for the job, by McCain and his staff.

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 8:50:08 PM

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No, I don't think anyone can. Now you could always ignore her, but I honestly doubt that will happen either. After all, as long as she can be used to make the right look like idiots, she is still useful to the left.

Sure leftists paid her to speak to the NRA. We are not the ones that send money to this grafter. We are not the ones that watch her various media appearances. But people on the right do most certainly send her money, pay to hear her speak, buy her books and watch her blather on FNC.

You wouldn't look to be such a complete hypocrite if you'd own the fact that the organized right really is a fucking cesspit or hate, conspiracy theorists and corporate lackeys. You might be right of center but it is time to take the blinders off and look at what is really going on.

For instance the "patriots" who run the tea party groups are getting rich off the suckers who donate to them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/tea-party-pacs-reap-money-for-midterms-but-spend-little-on-candidates/2014/04/26/0e52919a-cbd6-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html

Where did I say leftists paid to see her speak or no one on the right ever did? I honestly don't understand your inability to post without adding bullshit lies to everything you say. I have said many times that there are assholes on both sides, you are the one who seems to think it only happens on the right so save your hypocrite speech for the mirror. Now there may be times that you make some good points but your hatred for anything right of yourself makes it impossible for me to take you seriously in anything you say.

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 9:32:56 PM

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I see nothing in Palin 's statement that remotely
Approaches what you said jlf.

Can you read?

http://gawker.com/sarah-palin-says-shed-waterboard-terrorists-and-call-it-1568455308

"If I were in charge, they would know that waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists."

I didn't think so.

Once again proving the dearth of intellectual honesty among y'all.

Here's what JLF said:

That is a relief, we are converting terrorists to Christianity by baptizing them against their will, or at least that is what Sarah Palin is saying.

Hyperbole. Its called hyperbole.
Do you think that every single expression is literal. You've never heard of a baptism by fire, for example?

Do you really think she's saying that jlf's interpretation is true? The CS monitor doesn't.
To quote:

"The one-liner went over great with the crowd. It summarized well a main point of her address, which held that liberals are hypocrites who are too weak to protect America."

Palin isn't saying she'd convert terrorists. She's saying she'd waterboard them. She's saying liberals are lying, weak hypocrites that think gun free zone signs protect children from shooters. Again. Paraphrased. CS monitor.

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 10:16:24 PM

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It's because the media loves big breasted good looking nutcase women

Sarah Palin? I fucked her.

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/28/2014 10:51:02 PM

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No, I don't think anyone can. Now you could always ignore her, but I honestly doubt that will happen either. After all, as long as she can be used to make the right look like idiots, she is still useful to the left.

Sure leftists paid her to speak to the NRA. We are not the ones that send money to this grafter. We are not the ones that watch her various media appearances. But people on the right do most certainly send her money, pay to hear her speak, buy her books and watch her blather on FNC.

You wouldn't look to be such a complete hypocrite if you'd own the fact that the organized right really is a fucking cesspit or hate, conspiracy theorists and corporate lackeys. You might be right of center but it is time to take the blinders off and look at what is really going on.

For instance the "patriots" who run the tea party groups are getting rich off the suckers who donate to them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/tea-party-pacs-reap-money-for-midterms-but-spend-little-on-candidates/2014/04/26/0e52919a-cbd6-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html

Where did I say leftists paid to see her speak or no one on the right ever did? I honestly don't understand your inability to post without adding bullshit lies to everything you say. I have said many times that there are assholes on both sides, you are the one who seems to think it only happens on the right so save your hypocrite speech for the mirror. Now there may be times that you make some good points but your hatred for anything right of yourself makes it impossible for me to take you seriously in anything you say.

Your claim is that she is still around because she's useful to the left. Obviously that is silly bullshit because we aren't the ones paying her to give speeches in front of the NRA. Maybe if you would think at least a little you'd understand what other people write rather than wish they'd wrote.

BTW I don't hate anything to the right of myself. I hate silly dumbasses who go along with the organized right while it destroys the nation I live in. If you want to be politically conservative I could care less. We need two sides in this country. What is wrong is that the organized right in this nation is fucked up beyond repair and only the worst sorts of fools don't see it. People like you who support politicians who hate you and would kill you if given the chance just make me sick.

As to your silly "both sides are just as bad," show me the political organizations on the left raising funds to line the pockets of the top exec rather than putting it out in the field. Show me the Democratic politicians calling for torturing prisoners. Which side even talks about trying to expand the middle class? Think about this, if the ACA is so terrible then surely the right wing could have come up with a superior replacement which they could be hammering Democrats with right now. Why doesn't it exist? Honest people would admit it is because the powers that actually run the organized conservative movement don't give a shit about expanding health care and the base is so thoroughly brainwashed into believing whatever nonsense they are fed that they accept that going back to the pre ACA days would actually be an improvement.

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RE: Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when w... - 4/29/2014 12:41:00 AM

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Okay so we are actually baptising terrorists when we water board them

This claim is incorrect. (What else would one expect of Palin?)

The proper claim is:

We have become terrorists when we waterboard suspected terrorists.

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