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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 4:51:18 PM   
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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 4:58:06 PM   
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I never said that, humans on average use 10% of their brain.


That is not correct, not even close.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-only-use-10-percent-of-brain/

Ah thanks, always good to learn something new and rid the world of another fable.

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 4:58:41 PM   
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You should check your facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Albert_Einstein#Agnosticism.2C_Deism_and_atheism


The previous sentence explaining Einstein's position which you left out:

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ORIGINAL: BM's source
Agnosticism, Deism and atheism

Einstein rejected the label atheist. Einstein stated: "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."


Einstein didn't believe in any gods and seems to have found the idea ridiculous as he repeatedly insulted the intellectual maturity of the faithful.

Some more statements by Einstein you might find meaningful.

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"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text."


Oh and he specifically wasn't a fan of your Catholicism.

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"But what makes me shudder is that the Catholic Church is silent. One doesn't need to be a prophet to say, 'The Catholic Church will pay for this silence...I do not say that the unspeakable crimes of the Church for 2,000 years had always the blessing of the Vatican, but it vaccinated its believers with the idea: We have the true God, and the Jews have crucified Him.' The Church sowed hate instead of love, though the ten commandments state: Thou shalt not kill" (August 1943).[68] "With a few exceptions, the Roman Catholic Church has stressed the value of dogma and ritual, conveying the idea theirs is the only way to reach heaven. I don't need to go to Church to hear if I'm good or bad; my heart tells me this" (August 1943).[69] "I don't like to implant in youth the Church's doctrine of a personal God, because that Church has behaved so inhumanly in the past 2,000 years... Consider the hate the Church manifested against the Jews and then against the Muslims, the Crusades with their crimes, the burning stakes of the inquisition, the tacit consent of Hitler's actions while the Jews and the Poles dug their own graves and were slaughtered. And Hitler is said to have been an altar boy!" (August 1943).[69]

"Yes" Einstein replied vehemently, "It is indeed human, as proved by Cardinal Pacelli (the future Pope Pius XII), who was behind the Concordat with Hitler. Since when can one make a pact with Christ and Satan at the same time?" (August 1943).[69] "The Church has always sold itself to those in power, and agreed to any bargain in return for immunity." (August 1943)[70] "If I were allowed to give advice to the Churches," Einstein continued, "I would tell them to begin with a conversion among themselves, and to stop playing power politics. Consider what mass misery they have produced in Spain, South America and Russia." (September 1948).[69]


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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 5:09:47 PM   
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Aren't you aware that atheists have a collective fantasy?


Atheists don't really have a collective anything. Atheism isn't a worldview or a philosophy it's a label describing a single thing a variety of positions have in common (a lack of gods). To understand what an atheist actually thinks in terms of worldview or philosophy you need to actually find out what that person thinks in terms of worldview or philosophy, there is no substitute for doing that.

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 5:30:47 PM   
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Einstein evidently was partially sympathetic to your cause. His physics after all was Jewish physics.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism#Jewish_theology

Much recent Jewish theology makes few if any metaphysical claims and is thus compatible with atheism on an ontological level.


This would explain why so many Protestant denominations are Jewish and identify with the Jews to the extent that they do. The work of William of Ockham which the Protestants built upon is Jewish and the Jewish faith has an affinity for atheism. Protestants practice a form of atheism.

My work shows this to be the case. The Protestants fell from the pure faith.

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 5:35:58 PM   
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Does sex make people stupid?


Not a fan of the ladies BM?

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 5:40:01 PM   
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Propaganda

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Aren't you aware that atheists have a collective fantasy?


Atheists don't really have a collective anything. Atheism isn't a worldview or a philosophy it's a label describing a single thing a variety of positions have in common (a lack of gods). To understand what an atheist actually thinks in terms of worldview or philosophy you need to actually find out what that person thinks in terms of worldview or philosophy, there is no substitute for doing that.

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 5:47:29 PM   
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Ben are you telling me I am a Jewish atheist Protestant?
Your a hoot. I wrote that out and got to laughing.

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 5:53:01 PM   
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If your purpose is to use a woman to satisfy your sexual appetites, you do not serve woman nor do you love her.

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Does sex make people stupid?


Not a fan of the ladies BM?

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 5:56:41 PM   
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Einstein evidently was partially sympathetic to your cause.


Einstein's view on the existence of gods is pretty well identical to mine, some choose the label agnostic to explain it, others weak atheist.

Einstein doesn't seem to be a fan of strong atheism, since he was a proponent of the scientific method that makes a lot of sense (I agree with him).

Some statements of his could be viewed as criticism of atheist activism except that he was one himself and in his activism showed more contempt for religions than many modern atheist activists.

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 6:03:25 PM   
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Does sex make people stupid?


I can't help but notice that you avoided answering my question. Asking this incredibly naive question about sex makes me wonder if you're shooting your mouth off about yet another thing with which you are unfamiliar/don't understand.

BM are you a virgin?

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 6:32:45 PM   
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Propaganda


ROTFL You need to actually find out what a person thinks in order to know what that person thinks, that should be undeniable.


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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 6:41:01 PM   
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quote peonforher

"I've certainly met plenty of Christians, Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists who grasp where, for instance, a (most) atheist like me is coming from. "

Say what Peon? Is that english?
WTF do you mean?


Could have done with an edit, admittedly.

It should have read,

"I've certainly met plenty of Christians, Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists who grasp where, for instance, an atheist such as myself is coming from. "


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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 6:45:19 PM   
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Propaganda

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Aren't you aware that atheists have a collective fantasy?


Atheists don't really have a collective anything. Atheism isn't a worldview or a philosophy it's a label describing a single thing a variety of positions have in common (a lack of gods). To understand what an atheist actually thinks in terms of worldview or philosophy you need to actually find out what that person thinks in terms of worldview or philosophy, there is no substitute for doing that.



It's not propaganda, BM. Until you get that, you'll only ever be arguing with so many straw men.

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 7:11:14 PM   
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You are buying the propaganda because you are not a deep thinker. You are not looking into the implications of your beliefs. It is kind of like how a Protestant may rationalize the non-existent obligation to forgive reasoning that what Christ said was symbolic.

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It's not propaganda, BM. Until you get that, you'll only ever be arguing with so many straw men.

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 7:13:03 PM   
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So it is your opinion that sex makes you smarter?

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 7:35:21 PM   
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Can I relate to Vatican II? I can relate to it in the following way. To save someone one must in a sense descend into Hell to offer the damned a helping hand much like how I carried my beloved through the valley of death. In this sense Vatican II makes sense. In this sense it upholds the ideals of Christ.

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 7:58:44 PM   
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Why is this young woman who I helped significant? Perhaps she is significant in ways that are known at present only to God, but it was a crossroad for me. Satan offered me his blessings. I upheld my Baptismal vow. I summarily rejected Satan and remained at her side. The decision I made was strangely preordained, however. My rejection was summary. For some reason under Divine Law I needed to formally reject Satan as in I needed to go through the motions.

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 8:20:55 PM   
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Christ's Descent into Hell and His Resurrection
http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/resua1.htm

Philippians 2:9-10: "God exalted Him and gave to Him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bend, of those in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth."

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RE: What do the atheists get right? - 4/30/2014 8:24:07 PM   
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Christ most exalted.

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