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My dying fuckin ass. They were testifying at a house hearing for the convict Issa. That asswipe aint gonna cut it.

Oh, I'm willing to bet you're wrong.

What the white house is dying to avoid is proving how incompetent this white house is.

AMPLE warning that the consulate was going to be attacked - and they did nothing.
Routine oversight (like making sure the consulate was up to security standards) they waived.

The president hasn't supplied the minutes from the situation room; nor clintons briefings. Nor the deliberations of the terrorism task force, nor the joint chiefs of staff.

But the real interesting question is where Obama was.

And I suspect the answer is that he wasn't in the situation room while the attack was going on.
I suspect the answer is that he was on his way to las vegas for a fundraiser.

The steady drip drip drip. will continue

We are aware that the nutsackers are always ready to believe in conspiracies. But a airport bathroom of nutsackers intimating that the entire hierarchy of the military was unaware and shirking their lifelong jobs is just a little too fuckin imbecilic.

They have radar, intelligence, and saran wrap, they know whats going on at anytime or anywhere.

Bullshit! The military was going to do the right thing and were making preparations to try to rescue the compound. "Somebody" ordered them to stand down! Why? Who knew how long the attack was going to go on? Hours or even days? You don't want to know who the miserable scumbag was who ordered the military to stand down and not attempt a rescue, knowing that Americans would most likely die? You really CAN'T go along with stonewalling something like this!

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My dying fuckin ass. They were testifying at a house hearing for the convict Issa. That asswipe aint gonna cut it.

Oh, I'm willing to bet you're wrong.

What the white house is dying to avoid is proving how incompetent this white house is.

AMPLE warning that the consulate was going to be attacked - and they did nothing.
Routine oversight (like making sure the consulate was up to security standards) they waived.

The president hasn't supplied the minutes from the situation room; nor clintons briefings. Nor the deliberations of the terrorism task force, nor the joint chiefs of staff.

But the real interesting question is where Obama was.

And I suspect the answer is that he wasn't in the situation room while the attack was going on.
I suspect the answer is that he was on his way to las vegas for a fundraiser.

The steady drip drip drip. will continue

We are aware that the nutsackers are always ready to believe in conspiracies. But a airport bathroom of nutsackers intimating that the entire hierarchy of the military was unaware and shirking their lifelong jobs is just a little too fuckin imbecilic.

They have radar, intelligence, and saran wrap, they know whats going on at anytime or anywhere.

Bullshit! The military was going to do the right thing and were making preparations to try to rescue the compound. "Somebody" ordered them to stand down! Why? Who knew how long the attack was going to go on? Hours or even days? You don't want to know who the miserable scumbag was who ordered the military to stand down and not attempt a rescue, knowing that Americans would most likely die? You really CAN'T go along with stonewalling something like this!

Nobody ordered anyone to stand down. That is all fever dream. The relief force from Tripoli arrived, Doherty was one of them. After the mortar attack they evacuated to the airport and the attack was over because there was no one left to attack. That was when the guys in Rota and Croatia stopped getting ready.

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Lets see now, who has the authority to order a senior General to order his command to stand down? Can't be too many people with that much horsepower. And that silly explanation, "you don't send men in harms way." Jesus Christ! The military does that EVERY DAY! Rumor has it that war is dangerous!

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My dying fuckin ass. They were testifying at a house hearing for the convict Issa. That asswipe aint gonna cut it.

Oh, I'm willing to bet you're wrong.

What the white house is dying to avoid is proving how incompetent this white house is.

AMPLE warning that the consulate was going to be attacked - and they did nothing.
Routine oversight (like making sure the consulate was up to security standards) they waived.

The president hasn't supplied the minutes from the situation room; nor clintons briefings. Nor the deliberations of the terrorism task force, nor the joint chiefs of staff.

But the real interesting question is where Obama was.

And I suspect the answer is that he wasn't in the situation room while the attack was going on.
I suspect the answer is that he was on his way to las vegas for a fundraiser.

The steady drip drip drip. will continue

We are aware that the nutsackers are always ready to believe in conspiracies. But a airport bathroom of nutsackers intimating that the entire hierarchy of the military was unaware and shirking their lifelong jobs is just a little too fuckin imbecilic.

They have radar, intelligence, and saran wrap, they know whats going on at anytime or anywhere.

Bullshit! The military was going to do the right thing and were making preparations to try to rescue the compound. "Somebody" ordered them to stand down! Why? Who knew how long the attack was going to go on? Hours or even days? You don't want to know who the miserable scumbag was who ordered the military to stand down and not attempt a rescue, knowing that Americans would most likely die? You really CAN'T go along with stonewalling something like this!

Nobody ordered anyone to stand down. That is all fever dream. The relief force from Tripoli arrived, Doherty was one of them. After the mortar attack they evacuated to the airport and the attack was over because there was no one left to attack. That was when the guys in Rota and Croatia stopped getting ready.

If what you say is true, why do the dead American's parents (who probably know a little bit more about this than you,) go on TV and complain about the lack of rescue attempt for their children? And the retired Lt Colonel goes on saying even if you know there is not a chance in hell, you stilll TRY.

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So, the email trove continues from the FOI request...

Ben Rhodes

The email lists the following two goals, among others:

"To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy."

Ben Rhodes, you know Deputy National Security Adviser, brother to the president of CBS news... The only problem of course is .. it was a blatant failure of policy. And so the last peg of what I alleged at the start of this whole mess comes home. As predicted, the obama administration knowingly lied in an attempt to avoid the obvious conclusions.

This was AFTER they had been briefed by the missions deputy chief of staff that there was no protest; after having seen the actual attack.

Flat. out. lie.

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My dying fuckin ass. They were testifying at a house hearing for the convict Issa. That asswipe aint gonna cut it.

Oh, I'm willing to bet you're wrong.

What the white house is dying to avoid is proving how incompetent this white house is.

AMPLE warning that the consulate was going to be attacked - and they did nothing.
Routine oversight (like making sure the consulate was up to security standards) they waived.

The president hasn't supplied the minutes from the situation room; nor clintons briefings. Nor the deliberations of the terrorism task force, nor the joint chiefs of staff.

But the real interesting question is where Obama was.

And I suspect the answer is that he wasn't in the situation room while the attack was going on.
I suspect the answer is that he was on his way to las vegas for a fundraiser.

The steady drip drip drip. will continue

We are aware that the nutsackers are always ready to believe in conspiracies. But a airport bathroom of nutsackers intimating that the entire hierarchy of the military was unaware and shirking their lifelong jobs is just a little too fuckin imbecilic.

They have radar, intelligence, and saran wrap, they know whats going on at anytime or anywhere.

Bullshit! The military was going to do the right thing and were making preparations to try to rescue the compound. "Somebody" ordered them to stand down! Why? Who knew how long the attack was going to go on? Hours or even days? You don't want to know who the miserable scumbag was who ordered the military to stand down and not attempt a rescue, knowing that Americans would most likely die? You really CAN'T go along with stonewalling something like this!

Nobody ordered anyone to stand down. That is all fever dream. The relief force from Tripoli arrived, Doherty was one of them. After the mortar attack they evacuated to the airport and the attack was over because there was no one left to attack. That was when the guys in Rota and Croatia stopped getting ready.

If what you say is true, why do the dead American's parents (who probably know a little bit more about this than you,) go on TV and complain about the lack of rescue attempt for their children? And the retired Lt Colonel goes on saying even if you know there is not a chance in hell, you stilll TRY.

Because they've been fed bullshit by Fox?

The Pentagon timeline
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/world/africa/libya-benghazi-timeline/

The guys in Rota and Croatia started getting ready to deploy after 2:39 am. It is physically impossible that either force could have arrived in Benghazi by 5:15 when the mortar attack killed Doherty and Woods. There was no order to stand down. That is simply made up nonsense. We sent the guys who could get there in time, Doherty was one of them. When the situation became untenable they evacuated to the airport and flew out. At that point there was no further need and the special forces guys that had been prepping stood down.

No matter how badly the right wing wants to make this more than what it was, it wasn't. It was a terrible tragedy. The Ambassador knew Benghazi was chaotic and dangerous. He chose to go there anyway. If you look into his career you will see that is how he operated.

We have small diplomatic teams scattered all over the world there is simply no way we can make sure all of them are 100% safe even in places like Libya. The Diplomatic Corps know the risks and choose to take those risks in order to serve their country. It dishonors Ambassador Stevens and the rest of the Diplomatic Corps to try and use this tragedy for political advantage.

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Bullshit.

There were 16 (or 17) people at the CIA compound. The AP reported:

Westmoreland said the CIA security contractors loaded into two vehicles, with weapons ready, the moment they heard the radio call for help from the diplomatic building. Some wanted to rush to the U.S. compound roughly a mile away, and their agitation grew as they heard increasing panic when the diplomats reported the militants were setting the compound on fire.

The CIA team leader and the CIA chief at the Benghazi annex told committee members that they were trying to gather Libyan allies and intelligence before racing into the fray, worried that they might be sending their security team into an ambush with little or no backup.

At least one of those security contractors, a former U.S. Army Ranger, was told to “wait” at least twice, and he argued with his security team leader, according to his testimony, related by Westmoreland. Westmoreland declined to share the names of the officers who testified because they are still CIA employees


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/now-cia-contradicts-govt-benghazi-account/#pLqJ3Tu2Yk5aDvSF.99

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More importantly Gregory Hicks testified:

The Obama administration denied Special Forces commandos permission to board a military flight to help defend the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi while it was under attack, according to State Department career officer Gregory Hicks, a former second-in-command in the North African country.

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And according to maps of obtained by Judicial Watch, by suit.
a). The USS Laboon was on station and capable of responding. The laboon has a flight deck and according to Lt Colonel Gibson Smith was equiped with 2 seahawks, capable of air to ground operations.

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b). CBS News has learned that during the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, the Obama Administration did not convene its top interagency counterterrorism resource: the Counterterrorism Security Group, (CSG).

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A third potential responder from a counter-terror force stationed in Europe says components of AFICOM -- the military's Africa Command based in Stuttgart, Germany -- were working on course of action during the assault. But no plan was put to use.

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(1) Murdered US Ambassador Chris Stevens' second in command, Gregory Hicks, was instructed not to speak with a Congressional investigator by State Department lawyers.* Hicks said he'd "never" faced a similar demand at any point during his distinguished 22-year diplomatic career. When he refused to comply with this request, the State Department dispatched an attorney to act as a "minder," who insisted on sitting in on all of Hicks' discussions with members of Congress (higher quality video is available here). Sec. Hillary Clinton's chief of staff, Cheryl Mills, later excoriated Hicks for cooperating with the investigation and permitting himself to be interviewed without a chaperone.

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3). He and others on the ground -- including Amb. Stevens -- recognized the raid as a coordinated terrorist attack from the very beginning. Hicks testified that he personally told Sec. Clinton as much at 2 am on the night of the attack, along with her senior staff. [UPDATE - Rep. Trey Gowdy also revealed an email sent on 9/12 in which Assistant Sec. Jones confirmed to a Libyan official that the attack had been carried out by terrorist organization Ansar al-Sharia].

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4). Whistle-blower Mark Thompson, a career counter-terrorism official at State, said he called the White House to request the immediate deployment of a Foreign Emergency Support Team (FEST) to Benghazi. He was told it was "not the right time" to do so, then was cut out of the communications loop.

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5). The US government did not seek permission from the Libyan government to fly any aircraft into Libyan airspace, aside from a drone. The witnesses testified that they believe the Libyan government would have complied with any such request. The fact that none was even made indicates that there was never a plan or intention to rush reinforcements to Benghazi.

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I've gone over this with you in tedious detail. No aircraft that could have had any useful effect on the action were in range.

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I've gone over this with you in tedious detail. No aircraft that could have had any useful effect on the action were in range.

That's not exactly true. However, the Croatia story is irrelevant even if it is true. I actually agree with you on that point. Unfortunately foryou and the Bamster though, there WERE aircraft that could have done something.

There are Spanish F/A-18s in Singonella Italy 30 minutes away under NATO command, along with the 40 U.S. units there including a transport unit. Most of the American units are logistical, but I can't get a complete list which suggests at least one combat unit that could have been on the ground in Benghazi within 2 hours. Ground troops from Singonella aside, I'm not 100% on how that works, but I'm pretty sure those Hornets would have been available if we had simply asked.

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There is also the 555th Fighter Wing out of Aviano which is only 1680km as the F-16 flies. At mach 1 that's a 90 minute flight time to Benghazi. The 555th is under NATO control, but has the ability to fly U.S. military missions AND is a combat unit that can be in the air in just a few minutes. This unit could have easily been there within 2 hours of recieving an alert to scramble. Incidentally, Lybia is, and was, part of their mission.

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Aviano also billets an Airborne Brigade...

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If you honestly think that an F-16 or a Hornet couldn't have done something until the Airborne units arrived, then you're kidding yourself. Hornet strafing runs are devastating, and both aircraft can use a wide variety of air-to-ground ordinance. Since Singonella Naval Base is only 30 minutes away for a jet fighter, they could have run missions all night long.

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I've gone over this with you in tedious detail. No aircraft that could have had any useful effect on the action were in range.

That's not exactly true. However, the Croatia story is irrelevant even if it is true. I actually agree with you on that point. Unfortunately foryou and the Bamster though, there WERE aircraft that could have done something.

There are Spanish F/A-18s in Singonella Italy 30 minutes away under NATO command, along with the 40 U.S. units there including a transport unit. Most of the American units are logistical, but I can't get a complete list which suggests at least one combat unit that could have been on the ground in Benghazi within 2 hours. Ground troops from Singonella aside, I'm not 100% on how that works, but I'm pretty sure those Hornets would have been available if we had simply asked.

There is also the 555th Fighter Wing out of Aviano which is only 1680km as the F-16 flies. At mach 1 that's a 90 minute flight time to Benghazi. The 555th is under NATO control, but has the ability to fly U.S. military missions AND is a combat unit that can be in the air in just a few minutes. This unit could have easily been there within 2 hours of recieving an alert to scramble. Incidentally, Lybia is, and was, part of their mission.

Aviano also billets an Airborne Brigade...

If you honestly think that an F-16 or a Hornet couldn't have done something until the Airborne units arrived, then you're kidding yourself. Hornet strafing runs are devastating, and both aircraft can use a wide variety of air-to-ground ordinance. Since Singonella Naval Base is only 30 minutes away for a jet fighter, they could have run missions all night long.

All of this is armchair quarterbacking though. We can discuss woulda, shoulda, and coulda all day long, but the simple fact is that Obama chose to do nothing. Hell, no one even knows where he was or what he was doing. All anyone knows is that in the aftermath, his administration chose to cover everything they did (or didn't do) up. Amid the multiple layers of lies, there may be a kernel of truth, but they obviously are afraid of the entire story going public.

-SD-

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I've gone over this with you in tedious detail. No aircraft that could have had any useful effect on the action were in range.

That's not exactly true. However, the Croatia story is irrelevant even if it is true. I actually agree with you on that point. Unfortunately foryou and the Bamster though, there WERE aircraft that could have done something.

There are Spanish F/A-18s in Singonella Italy 30 minutes away under NATO command, along with the 40 U.S. units there including a transport unit. Most of the American units are logistical, but I can't get a complete list which suggests at least one combat unit that could have been on the ground in Benghazi within 2 hours. Ground troops from Singonella aside, I'm not 100% on how that works, but I'm pretty sure those Hornets would have been available if we had simply asked.

I've checked the claim that there were combat aircraft at Sigonella and it does not appear to be true. There are tankers and cargo planes but that won't do much good. There are no ground troops are Sigonella either. It is strictly a logistics hub. The nearest available combat troops were, beyond the guys in Tripoli we did send, were the guys in Rota and Croatiawe had start prepping. Do you think the Pentagon overlooked closer available forces?

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There is also the 555th Fighter Wing out of Aviano which is only 1680km as the F-16 flies. At mach 1 that's a 90 minute flight time to Benghazi. The 555th is under NATO control, but has the ability to fly U.S. military missions AND is a combat unit that can be in the air in just a few minutes. This unit could have easily been there within 2 hours of recieving an alert to scramble. Incidentally, Lybia is, and was, part of their mission.

No it isn't. From cold it is more like 6 or 8 hours. We don't keep F-16's fully fueled and armed sitting on runways in the middle of the night with aircrews and pilots in ready rooms waiting for the call. We'd have to call in the air crews, get the planes warmed up fueled, armed, get a mission planned, get Sigonella to get tankers airborne (it is too far for F-16's to fly with out refueling). Then fly the whole way subsonic. If they tried to fly the whole way at mach 1 they'd have to refuel something like 5 times.

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Aviano also billets an Airborne Brigade...

No, it does not
http://www.aviano.af.mil/units/index.asp

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If you honestly think that an F-16 or a Hornet couldn't have done something until the Airborne units arrived, then you're kidding yourself. Hornet strafing runs are devastating, and both aircraft can use a wide variety of air-to-ground ordinance. Since Singonella Naval Base is only 30 minutes away for a jet fighter, they could have run missions all night long.

There were no hornets 30 minutes away and the f-16's were many hours away and I simply do not believe we would not have sent them if they could have been of use.

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Aviano Maintains a hot crew at all times. .. As you know so the "cold start time" is just a lying irrelevent red herring.

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And no. The range of the planes with external tanks once again would have easily got them to sigonella for load out. It also gets them directly to Benghazi but with little time on station.

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You get trying to use the round trip distance to say they were out of range. Remember?

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What's really going to be interesting is when judicial watch gets the document a four the location of the gunship detailed to Libya. Where it was and when it got called away.

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As for the sea Hawks their mission profile includes ground attack.

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Bottom line. There were forces and this administration made no attempt to deploy then for political purposes and then led about it.

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And there are lots of reasons that the lie matters. Not the least because oboZo infuriated The libyan President who the delayed permission for the cleanup team.

And while we re at it. How's those efforts to arrest those responsible?

Oh yea. Not even on the watch list.