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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/5/2014 12:19:53 PM   
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OK, once more for the short fingered amongst us.

It is ad nauseAm.

It means: to nausea.
It does not mean: to nauseu.

You can quote me.

Well done Ron!!

"Seeing how often ad nauseam is misspelled makes some people want to throw up. English writers also often mistakenly half-translate the phrase as ad nausea.
This Latin phrase comes from a term in logic, the argumentum ad nauseam, in which debaters wear out the opposition by just repeating arguments until they get sick of the whole thing and give in."
Source: http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/adnauseum.html


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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/5/2014 12:31:15 PM   
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The 'people' do not pass amendments, that would be Congress under Article V.... oh wait thats just stupid.


And what is the legal status of those people in the Congressional Convention? US Citizens....AKA....THE PEOPLE. HELLLO!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

What created the US Constitution? The People

What created the Bill of Rights? The People

And those 17 amendments after the Bill of Rights? The People

How about all those laws on federal books? The People

An how did those people get to vote on those things? Other people voted to have them be represented by the smaller group of people. Its just laughable that you walked into this 2nd grade trap and still didn't have a clue what your babbling....





How laughably funny.

You were the one claiming 'the people' do not pass amendments.

So not only did your original post demonstrate how little you understood our system of government (you claimed that Congress amend ed d the Constitution)

It also demonstrates your hypocrisy. Since you continued to argue the opposite in the previous thread. Anything to throw a jab eh joe ether?



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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/5/2014 11:04:40 PM   
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Ah....

Does anyone remember how DomKen kept insisting that there were no forces that were available to rescue Americans in Ben Ghazi?

Does anyone remember Dom Ken saying there was no order to stand down.

More important, of course was that both statements were issued by the Obama administration. And gee, what a surprise. They're lies.

Oh yeah. A few other omissions by the administration do come first....

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In all the material released by the administration to date, there are no notes, e-mails or drafts of Clinton’s Sept. 11, 2012 statement similar to the back-and forth e-mail chain released last year showing how the CIA talking points evolved during three days of inter-agency discussion.

And yet surely such documents exist. We know from the public record that Clinton was getting real-time information on the attacks. She understood — because her own officials were telling her — that there were no protests in Benghazi and that the attacks on the Special Mission Compound and on the Annex were a well-planned terrorist assault.

And yet, after consulting by phone with President Obama at 10 that night, Hillary decided to blame it all on an Internet video.


Obama and Clinton deliver a statement a day after the Benghazi attack

Similarly, the administration has released no notes, e-mails or other communications that describe the substance of that phone call, so we still don’t know who first floated the idea of blaming it all on a non-existent video. Nor has the White House revealed, despite repeated requests, what the president was doing that night as he prepared for his fund-raiser the next day in Las Vegas. Dialing for dollars, perhaps?

In testimony before the House Oversight and Government Reform committee on Thursday, Brig. Gen. Robert Lovell, the chief of intelligence (J-2) for US Africa Command at the time of the attacks, revealed that his “analysts worked through chat” all night long. None of those documents have been turned over to congressional committees.

Top military officials at Africom headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany, told me they watched live video feed from a Predator drone over the Special Mission Compound and later, over the Benghazi airport and the Annex, which clearly showed there were no protests. So far, that footage has not been released

We know that orders were issued, then recalled, to deploy a 50-man Special Forces unit from Croatia that could have reached Benghazi within hours. But no documents on who ordered that unit to stand down have yet been released.



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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/5/2014 11:56:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Ah....

Does anyone remember how DomKen kept insisting that there were no forces that were available to rescue Americans in Ben Ghazi?

Does anyone remember Dom Ken saying there was no order to stand down.

More important, of course was that both statements were issued by the Obama administration. And gee, what a surprise. They're lies.

Oh yeah. A few other omissions by the administration do come first....

quote:


In all the material released by the administration to date, there are no notes, e-mails or drafts of Clinton’s Sept. 11, 2012 statement similar to the back-and forth e-mail chain released last year showing how the CIA talking points evolved during three days of inter-agency discussion.

And yet surely such documents exist. We know from the public record that Clinton was getting real-time information on the attacks. She understood — because her own officials were telling her — that there were no protests in Benghazi and that the attacks on the Special Mission Compound and on the Annex were a well-planned terrorist assault.

And yet, after consulting by phone with President Obama at 10 that night, Hillary decided to blame it all on an Internet video.


Obama and Clinton deliver a statement a day after the Benghazi attack

Similarly, the administration has released no notes, e-mails or other communications that describe the substance of that phone call, so we still don’t know who first floated the idea of blaming it all on a non-existent video. Nor has the White House revealed, despite repeated requests, what the president was doing that night as he prepared for his fund-raiser the next day in Las Vegas. Dialing for dollars, perhaps?

In testimony before the House Oversight and Government Reform committee on Thursday, Brig. Gen. Robert Lovell, the chief of intelligence (J-2) for US Africa Command at the time of the attacks, revealed that his “analysts worked through chat” all night long. None of those documents have been turned over to congressional committees.

Top military officials at Africom headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany, told me they watched live video feed from a Predator drone over the Special Mission Compound and later, over the Benghazi airport and the Annex, which clearly showed there were no protests. So far, that footage has not been released

We know that orders were issued, then recalled, to deploy a 50-man Special Forces unit from Croatia that could have reached Benghazi within hours. But no documents on who ordered that unit to stand down have yet been released.



No idea where you got this specious bullshit but you can do the fucking math yourself. The flight time from Croatia precludes any aircraft that could deploy troops. Would you please stop spreading such crap.

For the fucking moronic and clueless, which I guess includes certain dumbass right wingers, Croatia is farther away from Benghazi than Italy. Even if we actually had a special forces team on ready at an airfield with a fueled aircraft and all the gear stowed and them sitting on the plane, at midnight on a Tuesday, it would have still been a 6 to 8 hour flight to get to Benghazi (depending on what the plane was).

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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/6/2014 6:14:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Ah....

Does anyone remember how DomKen kept insisting that there were no forces that were available to rescue Americans in Ben Ghazi?

Yes

Does anyone remember Dom Ken saying there was no order to stand down.
yes


More important, of course was that both statements were issued by the Obama administration. And gee, what a surprise. They're lies.
That would be your ignorant, unsubstantiated opinion.



We know that orders were issued, then recalled, to deploy a 50-man Special Forces unit from Croatia that could have reached Benghazi within hours.

Mapquest says that your opinion is wrong. How many miles is it from croatia to benghazi?
How do you go that far within hours?



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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/6/2014 7:38:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Ah....

Does anyone remember how DomKen kept insisting that there were no forces that were available to rescue Americans in Ben Ghazi?

Does anyone remember Dom Ken saying there was no order to stand down.

More important, of course was that both statements were issued by the Obama administration. And gee, what a surprise. They're lies.

Oh yeah. A few other omissions by the administration do come first....

quote:


In all the material released by the administration to date, there are no notes, e-mails or drafts of Clinton’s Sept. 11, 2012 statement similar to the back-and forth e-mail chain released last year showing how the CIA talking points evolved during three days of inter-agency discussion.

And yet surely such documents exist. We know from the public record that Clinton was getting real-time information on the attacks. She understood — because her own officials were telling her — that there were no protests in Benghazi and that the attacks on the Special Mission Compound and on the Annex were a well-planned terrorist assault.

And yet, after consulting by phone with President Obama at 10 that night, Hillary decided to blame it all on an Internet video.


Obama and Clinton deliver a statement a day after the Benghazi attack

Similarly, the administration has released no notes, e-mails or other communications that describe the substance of that phone call, so we still don’t know who first floated the idea of blaming it all on a non-existent video. Nor has the White House revealed, despite repeated requests, what the president was doing that night as he prepared for his fund-raiser the next day in Las Vegas. Dialing for dollars, perhaps?

In testimony before the House Oversight and Government Reform committee on Thursday, Brig. Gen. Robert Lovell, the chief of intelligence (J-2) for US Africa Command at the time of the attacks, revealed that his “analysts worked through chat” all night long. None of those documents have been turned over to congressional committees.

Top military officials at Africom headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany, told me they watched live video feed from a Predator drone over the Special Mission Compound and later, over the Benghazi airport and the Annex, which clearly showed there were no protests. So far, that footage has not been released

We know that orders were issued, then recalled, to deploy a 50-man Special Forces unit from Croatia that could have reached Benghazi within hours. But no documents on who ordered that unit to stand down have yet been released.



No idea where you got this specious bullshit but you can do the fucking math yourself. The flight time from Croatia precludes any aircraft that could deploy troops. Would you please stop spreading such crap.

For the fucking moronic and clueless, which I guess includes certain dumbass right wingers, Croatia is farther away from Benghazi than Italy. Even if we actually had a special forces team on ready at an airfield with a fueled aircraft and all the gear stowed and them sitting on the plane, at midnight on a Tuesday, it would have still been a 6 to 8 hour flight to get to Benghazi (depending on what the plane was).



Just curious Ken.

Wondering how you - or anyone could know when a fight was going to end? So the call comes in at 10 pm.
Consulate under attack - with only *3* guards.

How exactly do you not send troops to back them up.

Or even better - since this was (facetiously) all because of the riots that occurred all over the muslim world earlier that day - how is it that you don't beef up security or pull the team?

Someone gave the order for those troops to go. Hint: Military commander, responding to the state department's request for assistance.
Someone gave the order contravening support. Hint: Politician, named obama, wanting to ensure nothing disrupted his political narrative that Al-qaida was dead and GM was alive.


Breaking it down into little words. Someone gave the order, thinking those troops would be of assistance. Since we don't know when the fight was going to end, prudence would seem to dictate sending them doesn't it.

Dougherty died on the roof, painting the mortar position with a laser illuminator to "light up" the hostile position because he had been told that air support was on the way. Air Support that Hicks (now in charge of the mission) had told them was coming.
And air support which never came because it was contravened.

Only no one bothered to tell Dougherty.


Stevens. Smith. Dougherty. Woods.

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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/6/2014 7:47:14 AM   
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Stevens. Smith. Dougherty. Woods.

Why are these overpaid punks lives worth more than the soldiers in the sandbox.

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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/6/2014 10:23:08 AM   
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We did send support. This has been explained in excruciating detail to you before. The guys from Tripoli on the chartered plane including Glen Doherty.

Doherty did not die painting a mortar position waiting for an air strike. That is a lie that FNC had to retract.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/04/what-laser-capability-did-benghazi-team-have/


Now to deal with the special forces troops in Croatia. According to the Pentagon timeline they were put on alert to begin prepping at 2 AM. By the time they were ready to go the battle was over. So they were stood down. There is no mystery.

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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/6/2014 10:35:56 AM   
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We did send support. This has been explained in excruciating detail to you before. The guys from Tripoli on the chartered plane including Glen Doherty.

Doherty did not die painting a mortar position waiting for an air strike. That is a lie that FNC had to retract.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/04/what-laser-capability-did-benghazi-team-have/


Now to deal with the special forces troops in Croatia. According to the Pentagon timeline they were put on alert to begin prepping at 2 AM. By the time they were ready to go the battle was over. So they were stood down. There is no mystery.


The fact that a military spokesman says dougherty wasn't illuminating a target for an airstrike doesn't make it so.
The fact that fox news was excluded from the news briefing suggests that the news has been politicized.

Let's say that what you are saying is true, and that Dougherty was only illuminating a target to scare it off.
Why? The group had just suffered hours of attack. What were the rules of engagement that prevented him from just ... killing the fucker?


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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/6/2014 10:59:39 AM   
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The fact that a military spokesman says dougherty wasn't illuminating a target for an airstrike doesn't make it so.

But of course you want us to accept your ignorant,unsubstantiated opinions as gospel

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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/6/2014 11:08:49 AM   
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When the Joint Chiefs said in the hearing that they couldn't get er done, that is pretty sure they couldn't get it done.

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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/6/2014 11:56:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

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We did send support. This has been explained in excruciating detail to you before. The guys from Tripoli on the chartered plane including Glen Doherty.

Doherty did not die painting a mortar position waiting for an air strike. That is a lie that FNC had to retract.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/04/what-laser-capability-did-benghazi-team-have/


Now to deal with the special forces troops in Croatia. According to the Pentagon timeline they were put on alert to begin prepping at 2 AM. By the time they were ready to go the battle was over. So they were stood down. There is no mystery.


The fact that a military spokesman says dougherty wasn't illuminating a target for an airstrike doesn't make it so.
The fact that fox news was excluded from the news briefing suggests that the news has been politicized.

Let's say that what you are saying is true, and that Dougherty was only illuminating a target to scare it off.
Why? The group had just suffered hours of attack. What were the rules of engagement that prevented him from just ... killing the fucker?



Why would he simply shine a laser on a couple of guys setting up a mortar? Don't you think?

You laser designate targets that are too hard for the weapons you have or that you can't attack because it will give away your position. A mortar is neither too hard for small arms nor were they afraid of giving away their position. If Doherty could see the mortar he would not have been designating it he would have been shooting at it. He couldn't which is what the actual reports all say. The real reports say Doherty was hit by the second shell to hit.

BTW do start spelling the man's name correctly at least. His name was Glen Doherty.

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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/7/2014 7:25:03 PM   
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Hey FIDO, you made national news:






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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/8/2014 2:41:04 PM   
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When the Joint Chiefs said in the hearing that they couldn't get er done, that is pretty sure they couldn't get it done.


When your Officer's commission reads, "serves at the pleasure of the President," Your military career depends on you're agreeing to everything the President wants.

Just asking, with The British and everyone else leaving because it was getting too dangerous for them to stay, with the previous attacks and 9/11 comming up, wouldn't even a slow moron think it might be a good idea to beef up security and have resources available close by just in case? These State Dept heads make BIG bucks to plan for shit like this! Hillary sure as hell fucked up her "Who do you want to answer that 3AM phone call" she campaigned about!

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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/8/2014 2:50:33 PM   
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My dying fuckin ass. They were testifying at a house hearing for the convict Issa. That asswipe aint gonna cut it.

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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/8/2014 5:18:07 PM   
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My dying fuckin ass. They were testifying at a house hearing for the convict Issa. That asswipe aint gonna cut it.


Oh, I'm willing to bet you're wrong.

What the white house is dying to avoid is proving how incompetent this white house is.

AMPLE warning that the consulate was going to be attacked - and they did nothing.
Routine oversight (like making sure the consulate was up to security standards) they waived.

The president hasn't supplied the minutes from the situation room; nor clintons briefings. Nor the deliberations of the terrorism task force, nor the joint chiefs of staff.

But the real interesting question is where Obama was.

And I suspect the answer is that he wasn't in the situation room while the attack was going on.
I suspect the answer is that he was on his way to las vegas for a fundraiser.

The steady drip drip drip. will continue

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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/9/2014 12:28:41 AM   
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My dying fuckin ass. They were testifying at a house hearing for the convict Issa. That asswipe aint gonna cut it.

Oh, I'm willing to bet you're wrong.

What the white house is dying to avoid is proving how incompetent this white house is.

AMPLE warning that the consulate was going to be attacked - and they did nothing.
Routine oversight (like making sure the consulate was up to security standards) they waived.

The president hasn't supplied the minutes from the situation room; nor clintons briefings. Nor the deliberations of the terrorism task force, nor the joint chiefs of staff.

But the real interesting question is where Obama was.

And I suspect the answer is that he wasn't in the situation room while the attack was going on.
I suspect the answer is that he was on his way to las vegas for a fundraiser.

The steady drip drip drip. will continue


How typical of your argument. That without facts and evidence, you simply supply your own. And your 'facts' and 'evidence' have historically been to attack the President in every manner. That he is something besides who and what he is each and every time.

Anyone ever notice this?

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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/9/2014 6:06:27 AM   
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My dying fuckin ass. They were testifying at a house hearing for the convict Issa. That asswipe aint gonna cut it.


Oh, I'm willing to bet you're wrong.

What the white house is dying to avoid is proving how incompetent this white house is.

AMPLE warning that the consulate was going to be attacked - and they did nothing.
Routine oversight (like making sure the consulate was up to security standards) they waived.

The president hasn't supplied the minutes from the situation room; nor clintons briefings. Nor the deliberations of the terrorism task force, nor the joint chiefs of staff.

But the real interesting question is where Obama was.

And I suspect the answer is that he wasn't in the situation room while the attack was going on.
I suspect the answer is that he was on his way to las vegas for a fundraiser.

The steady drip drip drip. will continue



We are aware that the nutsackers are always ready to believe in conspiracies. But a airport bathroom of nutsackers intimating that the entire hierarchy of the military was unaware and shirking their lifelong jobs is just a little too fuckin imbecilic.

They have radar, intelligence, and saran wrap, they know whats going on at anytime or anywhere.



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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/9/2014 9:50:22 AM   
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RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues - 5/9/2014 1:24:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

My dying fuckin ass. They were testifying at a house hearing for the convict Issa. That asswipe aint gonna cut it.


Oh, I'm willing to bet you're wrong.

What the white house is dying to avoid is proving how incompetent this white house is.

AMPLE warning that the consulate was going to be attacked - and they did nothing.
Routine oversight (like making sure the consulate was up to security standards) they waived.

The president hasn't supplied the minutes from the situation room; nor clintons briefings. Nor the deliberations of the terrorism task force, nor the joint chiefs of staff.

But the real interesting question is where Obama was.

And I suspect the answer is that he wasn't in the situation room while the attack was going on.
I suspect the answer is that he was on his way to las vegas for a fundraiser.

The steady drip drip drip. will continue



We are aware that the nutsackers are always ready to believe in conspiracies. But a airport bathroom of nutsackers intimating that the entire hierarchy of the military was unaware and shirking their lifelong jobs is just a little too fuckin imbecilic.

They have radar, intelligence, and saran wrap, they know whats going on at anytime or anywhere.




Bullshit! The military was going to do the right thing and were making preparations to try to rescue the compound. "Somebody" ordered them to stand down! Why? Who knew how long the attack was going to go on? Hours or even days? You don't want to know who the miserable scumbag was who ordered the military to stand down and not attempt a rescue, knowing that Americans would most likely die? You really CAN'T go along with stonewalling something like this!

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