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SadistDave -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/12/2014 4:55:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave I've long thought that your mother should have just drowned you and sold the millk... That just needs to be said before I respond to your post. How big internet man of you. quote: As a matter of fact, We actually DO know that there is no evidence that anyone in Washington had any advance knowledge that Doherty's team even existed. We DO know that Doherty's unit was a Global Response Staff. which WaPo reported was a CIA covert-ops security team for high risk officials filled with former special forces members. We DO know that they had the training to do that job. We DO know that Doherty reguested his GRS team be sent when it became clear the military would not be used. So, we DO know that Doherty's team entered Lybia prepared to do their job ASAP. We DO know that Doherty's team arrived for a rescue operation and had no way of getting to the battle at the Embassy. We DO know that they were stuck at the airport for over 3 hours. We DO know that they were stuck there because they "couldn't find a ride", which was reported by the AP when the CIA released their timeline of events. We DO know that, according to the same sources, the team was ultimately forced to wait for a the Lybian government to provide an armed escort. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Doherty#Glen_Doherty GRS was working for State. Just because they had the training does not mean they had the gear. It is a fact that Doherty took up a machine gun position on the roof when he arrived at the compound. quote: What we do not know is what, if anything, Barack and Hillary were doing while those at the Embassy, the CIA compound, and Doherty's team were left twisting in the wind for the duration of the 7 hour attack. Yes, we do. You're lying. The President was at work. As usual. There are even photos of him meeting with people. You forget that there is an 8 hour time difference. http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/05/08/meet-right-wing-medias-new-benghazi-hoax-champi/199220#three You really are gullible aren't you? Your mediamatters story is proud to present a picture of Obummer in the Oval Office which was made available in OCTOBER. October 11 according to the story. It's astounding that there were real time photos of Obama in the Situation Room when Ben Laden was killed, but it took 30 days to post a picture of him trying to keep Americans from being killed as a result of his incompetence. The story media matters story is the same tired horseshit about the Obama events in the early evening and contains nothing new. But then again, media matters schills for the Democrats as a matter of course. Come to think of it, your Obama knob-gobbling posts contain nothing new either. -SD-

SadistDave -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/12/2014 5:35:52 AM)
Incidentally, I wanted to thank you for the laugh. You seem to think that the State Department sent a covert rescue team made up of ex-special forces into a battle zone on a rescue mission unarmed and unprepared, where the team casually waltzed through the body strewn lawn to take up a firing position at a machine gun nest and get a handle on their day. Sure, Im paraphrasing, but that pretty much sums up your version of the events. That really takes a special kind of stupid! -SD-

DomKen -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/12/2014 10:35:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave I've long thought that your mother should have just drowned you and sold the millk... That just needs to be said before I respond to your post. How big internet man of you. quote: As a matter of fact, We actually DO know that there is no evidence that anyone in Washington had any advance knowledge that Doherty's team even existed. We DO know that Doherty's unit was a Global Response Staff. which WaPo reported was a CIA covert-ops security team for high risk officials filled with former special forces members. We DO know that they had the training to do that job. We DO know that Doherty reguested his GRS team be sent when it became clear the military would not be used. So, we DO know that Doherty's team entered Lybia prepared to do their job ASAP. We DO know that Doherty's team arrived for a rescue operation and had no way of getting to the battle at the Embassy. We DO know that they were stuck at the airport for over 3 hours. We DO know that they were stuck there because they "couldn't find a ride", which was reported by the AP when the CIA released their timeline of events. We DO know that, according to the same sources, the team was ultimately forced to wait for a the Lybian government to provide an armed escort. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Doherty#Glen_Doherty GRS was working for State. Just because they had the training does not mean they had the gear. It is a fact that Doherty took up a machine gun position on the roof when he arrived at the compound. quote: What we do not know is what, if anything, Barack and Hillary were doing while those at the Embassy, the CIA compound, and Doherty's team were left twisting in the wind for the duration of the 7 hour attack. Yes, we do. You're lying. The President was at work. As usual. There are even photos of him meeting with people. You forget that there is an 8 hour time difference. http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/05/08/meet-right-wing-medias-new-benghazi-hoax-champi/199220#three You really are gullible aren't you? Your mediamatters story is proud to present a picture of Obummer in the Oval Office which was made available in OCTOBER. October 11 according to the story. It's astounding that there were real time photos of Obama in the Situation Room when Ben Laden was killed, but it took 30 days to post a picture of him trying to keep Americans from being killed as a result of his incompetence. The story media matters story is the same tired horseshit about the Obama events in the early evening and contains nothing new. But then again, media matters schills for the Democrats as a matter of course. Come to think of it, your Obama knob-gobbling posts contain nothing new either. Liar. There were no real time photos released when OBL was killed. The photo was released days later. And if you bothered thinking you'd realize that midnight in Benghazi time is 6 PM DC local, my bad it is only a 6 hour difference I should have looked it up, so in September it is early evening you fucking moron. Do try and think before you reflexively attack. It makes you look like somewhat less of a fucking fool.

DomKen -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/12/2014 10:40:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave Incidentally, I wanted to thank you for the laugh. You seem to think that the State Department sent a covert rescue team made up of ex-special forces into a battle zone on a rescue mission unarmed and unprepared, where the team casually waltzed through the body strewn lawn to take up a firing position at a machine gun nest and get a handle on their day. Sure, Im paraphrasing, but that pretty much sums up your version of the events. That really takes a special kind of stupid! -SD- I'm telling you that they were sent with the gear they had on hand. What that was we don't know. We do know there were only 7 of them. Even with transpo they may have felt that was insufficient to get through a couple of hundred fighters. I do know that if they were at the airport and really felt the need to get going there surely were vehicles present that could have been liberated. Since they did not and instead held their position until they linked up with the larger Libyan force I feel safe in assuming it was because they did not have the manpower or firepower to engage the enemy in their opinion. But you go ahead and believe whatever dumbass fantasy the RWNJ's have fed you. so far your stuff has been hilarious.

papassion -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/12/2014 2:40:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx And the retired Lt Colonel goes on saying even if you know there is not a chance in hell, you stilll TRY. Send more men to die needlessly???why so you can then castigate the president for sending a "suicide mission? Do you even read the moronic shit you post? Oh, and when Barry sent the seals to get Osama, that was a safe, just a walk in the park mission? And "moronic" posts? You called the four dead men "overpaid punks." I think Ken, Mottertail and the rest of the Democrat crew have too much class to think your post was appropriate!

joether -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/12/2014 3:01:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: papassion quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx And the retired Lt Colonel goes on saying even if you know there is not a chance in hell, you stilll TRY. Send more men to die needlessly???why so you can then castigate the president for sending a "suicide mission? Do you even read the moronic shit you post? Oh, and when Barry sent the seals to get Osama, that was a safe, just a walk in the park mission? And "moronic" posts? You called the four dead men "overpaid punks." I think Ken, Mottertail and the rest of the Democrat crew have too much class to think your post was appropriate! Show some respect, they are called SEALs, not seals. The raid to take Osama bin Laden was REHEARSED for WEEKS prior to the actual attack. They trained on every possible condition that could have taken place. Even then, it was the President's decision. The SEALs created a mock up of the target location. They knew before the step foot there, every corner and every ceiling height. The difference with Osama's house and Benghazi, is the SEALs had a healthy idea of the firestorm the could be walking into. They would have knowledge of the terrain and surprise; both are valuable concepts in warfare. Benghazi was a totally different situation.

thompsonx -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/12/2014 4:30:22 PM)
ORIGINAL: papassion Send more men to die needlessly???why so you can then castigate the president for sending a "suicide mission? Do you even read the moronic shit you post? Oh, and when Barry sent the seals to get Osama, that was a safe, just a walk in the park mission? The quote you put up says that "there was not a chance in hell" . How is that relevent to the obl strike? And "moronic" posts? You called the four dead men "overpaid punks." What part of overpaid punks did you not understand? I think That would be an ignorant, unsubstantiated,mindnumbingly stupid opinion. Ken, Mottertail and the rest of the Democrat crew have too much class to think your post was appropriate! Ron is a republican (only because there is not a conservative party in this country)

thompsonx -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/12/2014 4:32:07 PM)
Show some respect, they are called SEALs, not seals. They are sailor boyz who wear girl scout hats[8\|]

papassion -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/13/2014 10:41:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: papassion quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx And the retired Lt Colonel goes on saying even if you know there is not a chance in hell, you stilll TRY. Send more men to die needlessly???why so you can then castigate the president for sending a "suicide mission? Do you even read the moronic shit you post? Oh, and when Barry sent the seals to get Osama, that was a safe, just a walk in the park mission? And "moronic" posts? You called the four dead men "overpaid punks." I think Ken, Mottertail and the rest of the Democrat crew have too much class to think your post was appropriate! Show some respect, they are called SEALs, not seals. The raid to take Osama bin Laden was REHEARSED for WEEKS prior to the actual attack. They trained on every possible condition that could have taken place. Even then, it was the President's decision. The SEALs created a mock up of the target location. They knew before the step foot there, every corner and every ceiling height. The difference with Osama's house and Benghazi, is the SEALs had a healthy idea of the firestorm the could be walking into. They would have knowledge of the terrain and surprise; both are valuable concepts in warfare. Benghazi was a totally different situation. No knowledge? We had unarmed drones (another dumb decision with the known danger from prior attacks and 9/11 comming up) They were watching the attack in real time. What more advantage than having a drone transmitting in real time, can you expect in a wartime situation? And when I quoted the Lt Colonel saying "even if you think you don't have a chance in hell, you try!" every present ad prior serviceman here knows what that means. Not the vidio player kids!

joether -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/13/2014 9:26:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: papassion No knowledge? We had unarmed drones (another dumb decision with the known danger from prior attacks and 9/11 comming up) They were watching the attack in real time. What more advantage than having a drone transmitting in real time, can you expect in a wartime situation? Its one thing to look at the terrain from 36,000 feet. Its quite another thing to be the boots on the ground. You might know the location of buildings and landmarks in either case. Unfortunately looking at a battlefield from an image, and charging up/across said battlefield, while under all sorts of fire, are two very different things. The SEALs knew ahead of time the 'lay of the land' from the individual level, not some drone's recon shots. Those going into Benghazi would not have that advantage; more so their enemies...DID...have the lay of the land. Maybe the military and/or administration did not want another 'Somalia Blackhawk Down'. They got blamed for that one; so it would make sense they 'pass the buck' to the administration to make the final decision. Tough decision....but that's the sort of decisions the President of the United States of America was hired to do. Its one thing to play 'Armchair General' when you have the luxury of facts, details, and all the knowledge from a historical point of time. Its very different when you have to make a decision, and you don't have the luxury of time and details. The SEAL mission to take down Osama bin Laden could have gone 'south' in any number of ways...including....war with Pakistan! The SEALs were raiding a house less then a few thousand feet from a Pakistan army base. quote: ORIGINAL: papassion And when I quoted the Lt Colonel saying "even if you think you don't have a chance in hell, you try!" every present ad prior serviceman here knows what that means. Not the vidio player kids! Yeah, because there are plenty of examples of officers and enlisted disobeying orders is US Military History, rushing head long into the fray, only to realize a bit to late, what a dumb idea that was. And the number of causalities that result afterward are often....staggering. When officers start viewing their troops as mere numbers rather than professional soldiers, it becomes easier to throw their lives away. Isn't that the ugly truth learned from Vietnam? Where do you think the phrase "Choose Your Battles" originates?

thompsonx -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/14/2014 1:42:27 PM)
And when I quoted the Lt Colonel saying "even if you think you don't have a chance in hell, you try!" every present ad prior serviceman here knows what that means. With a straight face you are trying to tell me that men who have been shot at before in combat would voluntarily rush into an absolute suicide for no reason...I would have to point out to you that that would be simply your opinion. An ignorant unsubstantiated,illogical, mindnumbingly stupid opinion.

mnottertail -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/14/2014 1:45:35 PM)
One wonders where this LTC was, and why he didn't die as he was trying. I guess anyone can say anything to whip up the dipshits on Faux Nuze, but the boy didn't gallop his own ass over there, having said that. So, thats how much we will think about that consider that fuckhead.

thompsonx -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/14/2014 1:55:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail One wonders where this LTC was, and why he didn't die as he was trying. I guess anyone can say anything to whip up the dipshits on Faux Nuze, but the boy didn't gallop his own ass over there, having said that. So, thats how much we will think about that consider that fuckhead. There are those who champion the ltc's opinion but alas they too are chairborn rangers who would rather thee and me go do their bleeding while they press their jingo rhetoric.

mnottertail -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/14/2014 1:58:13 PM)
Aye Aye Colonel Fuckstick, right behind you, ours is but to do or die Colonel, but ye before me, motherfucker. Thats what I say to that fuckin loser.

thompsonx -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/14/2014 2:13:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Aye Aye Colonel Fuckstick, right behind you, ours is but to do or die Colonel, but ye before me, motherfucker. Thats what I say to that fuckin loser. "Yall hurry ever chance you get...I'll keep an eye on shit back here" I read someplace that the army admits to about 1,000 "fragging"episodes in viet nam but the record, when closely checked, indicates more than 10,000...then there is the some 20,000 body bags from "friendly fire"... yeah I am gonna jus run down and reup[8\|]

mnottertail -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/14/2014 2:15:30 PM)
Ja, it ain't much like the recruiting posters, hah Saburo? I have been all the fuck I can be, and I ain't gonna never be that far again.

DomKen -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/14/2014 2:37:52 PM)
Why do you guys continue to bother with tommy boy? There is no hope of ever communicating with it. You've got more chance of changing racistjim's mind.

thompsonx -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/14/2014 3:24:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Why do you guys continue to bother with tommy boy? There is no hope of ever communicating with it. You've got more chance of changing racistjim's mind. Perhaps it is because he recognizes that I am smarter,witier,better looking and nicer than you...he is also fucking my little sister.[8\|]

thompsonx -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/14/2014 3:26:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Ja, it ain't much like the recruiting posters, hah Saburo? I have been all the fuck I can be, and I ain't gonna never be that far again. Nor I .

mnottertail -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (6/17/2014 11:42:31 AM)
Ahmed Abu Khattala is now in custody. The hysteria and scandals of the nutsackers continue. Charge Darrell Issa with treason!!!!!!!

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