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joether -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/10/2014 10:31:38 AM)

Imagine that SadistDave, Phydeaux and maybe even papapassion (and all those lurkers who support their position) were as passion with These Issues like they are with Benghazi? Why haven't these three people (and their lurkers/supporters) brought up a mountain of evidence with those issues?

Because that would not help the Republican and Tea Party stay as accountable and responsible with power, as they slam the Democrats....

This issue and the IRS Scandal are just smoke screens. That's the sad fact here. Even worst, the Republican/Tea Party in Congress has accomplished nothing of real significance in the last two years. Those Tea Party yahoos are worst, in that they haven't done one useful thing since being sworn into their office. Much like the Iraq/Afghanistan Wars under former President G. W. Bush, the GOP/TP plan is to keep America's attention off the REAL ISSUES and on a fantasy. That fantasy is one that shows Republican/Tea Party are doing something useful for America; when reality is....no one outside of that fantasy really cares.

Four people died in the Benghazi event. 4,000+ died, and another 32,500+ wounded in Iraq. Tell me, where are all those WMDs we were suppose to have found? The 'Massive stockpiles' reported to us by that Republican President? The same Republican President that saw all 13 Benghazi like attacks? And that's the point here. You will overlook the REAL criminals who do nothing but undermine this nation, to go after the ones trying to actually do some real good in the nation.

The President's approval rating is 47% according to Gallup.com (a conservative polling site). Congress is 12% by the same site. The President is doing more than his fair share of the work for this nation, while the other two branches of the government are undermining the nation. Or are you three going to tell us the recent US Supreme Court cases have all been 'in keeping America a good nation free of tyranny'? Or that when Congress accomplishes nothing for eight months that's a good thing?

'The Low Information Voter' sees scandal with Benghazi. To everyone else, its just a smoke screen to mask horribly bad job performance by Republicans and their Tea Party lackeys. Why should America waste its time and resources on total bullshit?





Phydeaux -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/10/2014 10:34:50 AM)

Sorry your aviano bulls hit is just that.
The aviano site routinely scrambles fighters in 10-15 minutes.

But all the response time in the world doesn't matter.
This administration had no intention of sending help since it never
Even asked permission.

We know for a fact that Obama was not even in the situation room watching the live feed while these men died. Didn't even carenough. And in fact was boarding a flight to Las Vegas for a dimocrat fund raising event.

A president has to have his priorities...




thompsonx -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/10/2014 11:17:56 AM)

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



We know for a fact that Obama was not even in the situation room watching the live feed while these men died.

What would it have changed?




thompsonx -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/10/2014 11:21:06 AM)

And the retired Lt Colonel goes on saying even if you know there is not a chance in hell, you stilll TRY.

Send more men to die needlessly???why so you can then castigate the president for sending a "suicide mission?
Do you even read the moronic shit you post?




DomKen -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/10/2014 1:54:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Sorry your aviano bulls hit is just that.
The aviano site routinely scrambles fighters in 10-15 minutes.

Evidence? When has Aviano ever scrambled jets for anything?

quote:

But all the response time in the world doesn't matter.
This administration had no intention of sending help since it never
Even asked permission.

here you are just editorializing based on your hatred.

quote:

We know for a fact that Obama was not even in the situation room watching the live feed while these men died. Didn't even carenough. And in fact was boarding a flight to Las Vegas for a dimocrat fund raising event.
Made up lie. We actually know for a fact that the President was in DC the entire night in question. He even spoke in the Rose Garden the very next morning. He flew to Las Vegas the night of September 12.




Phydeaux -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/10/2014 2:55:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Sorry your aviano bulls hit is just that.
The aviano site routinely scrambles fighters in 10-15 minutes.

Evidence? When has Aviano ever scrambled jets for anything?

quote:

But all the response time in the world doesn't matter.
This administration had no intention of sending help since it never
Even asked permission.

here you are just editorializing based on your hatred.

quote:

We know for a fact that Obama was not even in the situation room watching the live feed while these men died. Didn't even carenough. And in fact was boarding a flight to Las Vegas for a dimocrat fund raising event.
Made up lie. We actually know for a fact that the President was in DC the entire night in question. He even spoke in the Rose Garden the very next morning. He flew to Las Vegas the night of September 12.


Obama got on a flight and then turned around sometime around 5 am, according to best sources.

I certainly don't mind him actually answering a question of where he was while the attack was going on.

Like I said... the one thing we know - he wasn't in the situation room.

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Phydeaux -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/10/2014 2:59:26 PM)

Ah the drips keep continuing...

The news today:

The white house is releasing a further 3200 pages of redacted emails.

Emails that were classified AFTER the congressional and judicial watch subpoenas.
Namely in February of this year.

Some of these documents are set to be released in 2017, others in 2027, and yet others in 2037.

This - from the most transparent administration in history....

Transparently incompetent. Transparently obstructionist.

If the obama administration had nothing to hide - why not release the documents.
Don't tell me operational secrecy - we left the "top secret" cia annex unguarded and ransacked for 24 days.....





DomKen -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/10/2014 3:15:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Sorry your aviano bulls hit is just that.
The aviano site routinely scrambles fighters in 10-15 minutes.

Evidence? When has Aviano ever scrambled jets for anything?

quote:

But all the response time in the world doesn't matter.
This administration had no intention of sending help since it never
Even asked permission.

here you are just editorializing based on your hatred.

quote:

We know for a fact that Obama was not even in the situation room watching the live feed while these men died. Didn't even carenough. And in fact was boarding a flight to Las Vegas for a dimocrat fund raising event.
Made up lie. We actually know for a fact that the President was in DC the entire night in question. He even spoke in the Rose Garden the very next morning. He flew to Las Vegas the night of September 12.


Obama got on a flight and then turned around sometime around 5 am, according to best sources.

Nope. Real sources are that he was in the White House all night. I'll repeat he spoke in the Rose Garden that morning.

He flew to Las Vegas that night. You're repeating a noxious lie.




DomKen -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/10/2014 3:17:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Ah the drips keep continuing...

The news today:

The white house is releasing a further 3200 pages of redacted emails.

Emails that were classified AFTER the congressional and judicial watch subpoenas.
Namely in February of this year.

proof?
White House emails are fairly routinely classified Confidential at least so I find you claim to be non factual.




SadistDave -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/11/2014 3:40:08 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

Imagine that SadistDave, Phydeaux and maybe even papapassion (and all those lurkers who support their position) were as passion with These Issues like they are with Benghazi? Why haven't these three people (and their lurkers/supporters) brought up a mountain of evidence with those issues?

Because that would not help the Republican and Tea Party stay as accountable and responsible with power, as they slam the Democrats....

This issue and the IRS Scandal are just smoke screens. That's the sad fact here. Even worst, the Republican/Tea Party in Congress has accomplished nothing of real significance in the last two years. Those Tea Party yahoos are worst, in that they haven't done one useful thing since being sworn into their office. Much like the Iraq/Afghanistan Wars under former President G. W. Bush, the GOP/TP plan is to keep America's attention off the REAL ISSUES and on a fantasy. That fantasy is one that shows Republican/Tea Party are doing something useful for America; when reality is....no one outside of that fantasy really cares.

Four people died in the Benghazi event. 4,000+ died, and another 32,500+ wounded in Iraq. Tell me, where are all those WMDs we were suppose to have found? The 'Massive stockpiles' reported to us by that Republican President? The same Republican President that saw all 13 Benghazi like attacks? And that's the point here. You will overlook the REAL criminals who do nothing but undermine this nation, to go after the ones trying to actually do some real good in the nation.

The President's approval rating is 47% according to Gallup.com (a conservative polling site). Congress is 12% by the same site. The President is doing more than his fair share of the work for this nation, while the other two branches of the government are undermining the nation. Or are you three going to tell us the recent US Supreme Court cases have all been 'in keeping America a good nation free of tyranny'? Or that when Congress accomplishes nothing for eight months that's a good thing?

'The Low Information Voter' sees scandal with Benghazi. To everyone else, its just a smoke screen to mask horribly bad job performance by Republicans and their Tea Party lackeys. Why should America waste its time and resources on total bullshit?




Let's deal with this alleged 13 Benghazis under Bush bullshit. Benghazi was a coordinated, sustained attack on 2 American compounds that took place over the course of several hours. The Scumbag in Chief did not send any reenforcements or rescue operations. Instead he left the Consolate and the CIA compound to fend for themselves in spite of requests to beef up security well in advance of the attacks. Out of the "13 Benghazis" on your list, 6 are suicide bombers. Suicide bombers are not a sustained attack and the only response is to send someone with a mop to clean up the body. So, now we're down to 7 "Benghazis" which we can look at individually.

1. January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

In this instance, there were 4 gunmen on motorcycles and the guards on duty drove them off. No one working for the Consulate was injured. Clearly, this is nothing like Benghazi.

2. October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

This was a bombing that was part of a string of bombings. There was a suicide bomber with a backpack, a car bomb, and a bomb at the Embassy. The bomb at the Embassy caused only minor damage. There were no injuries or fatalities. 202 deaths and 240 injuries from the Bali bombings occurred at the other two sites, which were nightclubs. This is nothing like Benghazi.

3. February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

Gunmen rode up on motorcycles and started shooting. The gunmen were specifically targeting Pakistani paramilitary guards who had taken over the guard duty from the police. This is nothing like Benghazi.

4. December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

While it is true that this was apparently an organized attack, the attackers never breached the Consulate. Three of the attackers were killed and two were captured. This is not like Benghazi.

5. September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

This was a 12-20 minute attack in which 3 attackers were killed and the 4th wounded. Again, this was an Embassy that was properly protected. It was not a prolonged battle that raged through the night. It is not like Benghazi.

6. March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

Really? A couple of guys taking pot shots with a mortar they don't even know how to aim is nothing at all like Benghazi. No. This is not like Benghazi.

7. July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

This was an attack by 4 men. The 3 gunmen were hanging around outside the consulate. 1 man approached a policeman on guard and shot him in the head and the other 2 opened fire. The other guards shot and killed the 3 gunmen. The 4th man arrived in a car. He was wounded as he fled the scene. This attack is not like Benghazi.

So in point of fact, there are no "13 Benghazis under Bush". There were 0 Benghazis under Bush. However, there have been 6 attacks on Consulates and Embassies during the Oblamer administration. It may interest you to know that 5 of those attacks have not been like Benghazi.

-SD-




DomKen -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/11/2014 5:51:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
Let's deal with this alleged 13 Benghazis under Bush bullshit. Benghazi was a coordinated, sustained attack on 2 American compounds that took place over the course of several hours. The Scumbag in Chief did not send any reenforcements or rescue operations. Instead he left the Consolate and the CIA compound to fend for themselves in spite of requests to beef up security well in advance of the attacks.

Why must you lie?
Reinforcements were sent from Tripoli, Glen Doherty was one of them.

As to your attempt to handwave away 13 attacks on our diplomatic facilities. Each one involved a terrorist organization plotting an attack and carrying it out. Exactly like Benghazi. Exactly like that other terrorist attack on 9/11 that W let happen.




SadistDave -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/11/2014 8:24:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave
Let's deal with this alleged 13 Benghazis under Bush bullshit. Benghazi was a coordinated, sustained attack on 2 American compounds that took place over the course of several hours. The Scumbag in Chief did not send any reenforcements or rescue operations. Instead he left the Consolate and the CIA compound to fend for themselves in spite of requests to beef up security well in advance of the attacks.

Why must you lie?
Reinforcements were sent from Tripoli, Glen Doherty was one of them.

As to your attempt to handwave away 13 attacks on our diplomatic facilities. Each one involved a terrorist organization plotting an attack and carrying it out. Exactly like Benghazi. Exactly like that other terrorist attack on 9/11 that W let happen.


Why must you lie? Doherty was not "sent". He requested permission to go aid the people at the Embassy. There is quite a difference between asking to do something and being told. One is leadership. The other is being "led"by Barack Obama. The best you could say for the WhiteHouse is that Doherty was topping from the bottom...
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And yes, these 13 non-Benghazi attacks are completely irrellevant. The 5 attacks on our embassys by terrorist groups that I also handwave away in favor of our absentee President were handwaved for the exact same reason. They are not comparable to the Benghazi debacle.

-SD-





DomKen -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/11/2014 9:10:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave
Let's deal with this alleged 13 Benghazis under Bush bullshit. Benghazi was a coordinated, sustained attack on 2 American compounds that took place over the course of several hours. The Scumbag in Chief did not send any reenforcements or rescue operations. Instead he left the Consolate and the CIA compound to fend for themselves in spite of requests to beef up security well in advance of the attacks.

Why must you lie?
Reinforcements were sent from Tripoli, Glen Doherty was one of them.

As to your attempt to handwave away 13 attacks on our diplomatic facilities. Each one involved a terrorist organization plotting an attack and carrying it out. Exactly like Benghazi. Exactly like that other terrorist attack on 9/11 that W let happen.


Why must you lie? Doherty was not "sent". He requested permission to go aid the people at the Embassy. There is quite a difference between asking to do something and being told. One is leadership. The other is being "led"by Barack Obama. The best you could say for the WhiteHouse is that Doherty was topping from the bottom...

Bullshit.
He was sent by the State Department. He was a State Department employee and was directed to go by the assistant ambassador who is a direct representative of the administration.

The money, $30k, he used to pay for the flight came from the State Department.




SadistDave -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/11/2014 8:51:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave
Let's deal with this alleged 13 Benghazis under Bush bullshit. Benghazi was a coordinated, sustained attack on 2 American compounds that took place over the course of several hours. The Scumbag in Chief did not send any reenforcements or rescue operations. Instead he left the Consolate and the CIA compound to fend for themselves in spite of requests to beef up security well in advance of the attacks.

Why must you lie?
Reinforcements were sent from Tripoli, Glen Doherty was one of them.

As to your attempt to handwave away 13 attacks on our diplomatic facilities. Each one involved a terrorist organization plotting an attack and carrying it out. Exactly like Benghazi. Exactly like that other terrorist attack on 9/11 that W let happen.


Why must you lie? Doherty was not "sent". He requested permission to go aid the people at the Embassy. There is quite a difference between asking to do something and being told. One is leadership. The other is being "led"by Barack Obama. The best you could say for the WhiteHouse is that Doherty was topping from the bottom...

Bullshit.
He was sent by the State Department. He was a State Department employee and was directed to go by the assistant ambassador who is a direct representative of the administration.

The money, $30k, he used to pay for the flight came from the State Department.


Look, Dohery's team landed around 1- 1:15am, but weren't able to get to the Consulate until 5:15 because, according to the AP, they couldn't find a ride from the airport into town until 4:30am!

They couldn't find a ride? Why was there no ride available? Why would the team you erroneously believe was "sent" to handle the situation expected to find their own transportation? Where were the Lybian civilian authorities? Surely whoever "sent" them would have arranged transportation once they hit the ground! However, that's not what happened. There were no American assets there, no local civilian assets there, and the team was stonewalled by the Lybian authorities for about 3 hours who refused to drive them into town.

If State, the CIA, the military, the White House, or anyone with the authority handle the situation had "sent" them, a little thing like a 40 minute ride from the airport to the battle would have been arranged before Doherty's plane even left Tripoli. Clinging to straws like who paid the bill for their travel is pretty idiotic. An assistant Ambassador made a decision to send the team. He had the authority to charter the plane from Tripoli as a function of his job. One of the functions of Embassies is to arrange emergency transportation. They do not need to contact anyone else for the authority to arrange something like a charter flight. I expect that they would have immediately informed the White House, under the circumstances.

If he did inform the State Department; every indication is that the State Department decided not to back up Doherty's team in any way shape or form afterwards. You seem to think that

-SD-





DomKen -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/11/2014 9:09:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave
Let's deal with this alleged 13 Benghazis under Bush bullshit. Benghazi was a coordinated, sustained attack on 2 American compounds that took place over the course of several hours. The Scumbag in Chief did not send any reenforcements or rescue operations. Instead he left the Consolate and the CIA compound to fend for themselves in spite of requests to beef up security well in advance of the attacks.

Why must you lie?
Reinforcements were sent from Tripoli, Glen Doherty was one of them.

As to your attempt to handwave away 13 attacks on our diplomatic facilities. Each one involved a terrorist organization plotting an attack and carrying it out. Exactly like Benghazi. Exactly like that other terrorist attack on 9/11 that W let happen.


Why must you lie? Doherty was not "sent". He requested permission to go aid the people at the Embassy. There is quite a difference between asking to do something and being told. One is leadership. The other is being "led"by Barack Obama. The best you could say for the WhiteHouse is that Doherty was topping from the bottom...

Bullshit.
He was sent by the State Department. He was a State Department employee and was directed to go by the assistant ambassador who is a direct representative of the administration.

The money, $30k, he used to pay for the flight came from the State Department.


Look, Dohery's team landed around 1- 1:15am, but weren't able to get to the Consulate until 5:15 because, according to the AP, they couldn't find a ride from the airport into town until 4:30am!

They couldn't find a ride? Why was there no ride available? Why would the team you erroneously believe was "sent" to handle the situation expected to find their own transportation? Where were the Lybian civilian authorities? Surely whoever "sent" them would have arranged transportation once they hit the ground! However, that's not what happened. There were no American assets there, no local civilian assets there, and the team was stonewalled by the Lybian authorities for about 3 hours who refused to drive them into town.

If State, the CIA, the military, the White House, or anyone with the authority handle the situation had "sent" them, a little thing like a 40 minute ride from the airport to the battle would have been arranged before Doherty's plane even left Tripoli. Clinging to straws like who paid the bill for their travel is pretty idiotic. An assistant Ambassador made a decision to send the team. He had the authority to charter the plane from Tripoli as a function of his job. One of the functions of Embassies is to arrange emergency transportation. They do not need to contact anyone else for the authority to arrange something like a charter flight. I expect that they would have immediately informed the White House, under the circumstances.

If he did inform the State Department; every indication is that the State Department decided not to back up Doherty's team in any way shape or form afterwards. You seem to think that

how utterly full of shit.

It was a chaotic situation in the middle of the night. Communication was spotty and a battle was going on. The 7 reinforcements may not have felt they could have penetrated the enemy or they may not have had the weapons to be effective. we do not know. All we know is they did not leave the airport until they met up with the Libyan security forces at 4:30 AM. So stop making shit up.

The uncontested fact remains the administration did send reinforcements. and more reinforcements were on the way from both Rota and Croatia.




joether -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/11/2014 11:05:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave
quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
Imagine that SadistDave, Phydeaux and maybe even papapassion (and all those lurkers who support their position) were as passion with These Issues like they are with Benghazi? Why haven't these three people (and their lurkers/supporters) brought up a mountain of evidence with those issues?

Because that would not help the Republican and Tea Party stay as accountable and responsible with power, as they slam the Democrats....

This issue and the IRS Scandal are just smoke screens. That's the sad fact here. Even worst, the Republican/Tea Party in Congress has accomplished nothing of real significance in the last two years. Those Tea Party yahoos are worst, in that they haven't done one useful thing since being sworn into their office. Much like the Iraq/Afghanistan Wars under former President G. W. Bush, the GOP/TP plan is to keep America's attention off the REAL ISSUES and on a fantasy. That fantasy is one that shows Republican/Tea Party are doing something useful for America; when reality is....no one outside of that fantasy really cares.

Four people died in the Benghazi event. 4,000+ died, and another 32,500+ wounded in Iraq. Tell me, where are all those WMDs we were suppose to have found? The 'Massive stockpiles' reported to us by that Republican President? The same Republican President that saw all 13 Benghazi like attacks? And that's the point here. You will overlook the REAL criminals who do nothing but undermine this nation, to go after the ones trying to actually do some real good in the nation.

The President's approval rating is 47% according to Gallup.com (a conservative polling site). Congress is 12% by the same site. The President is doing more than his fair share of the work for this nation, while the other two branches of the government are undermining the nation. Or are you three going to tell us the recent US Supreme Court cases have all been 'in keeping America a good nation free of tyranny'? Or that when Congress accomplishes nothing for eight months that's a good thing?

'The Low Information Voter' sees scandal with Benghazi. To everyone else, its just a smoke screen to mask horribly bad job performance by Republicans and their Tea Party lackeys. Why should America waste its time and resources on total bullshit?

Let's deal with this alleged 13 Benghazis under Bush bullshit. Benghazi was a coordinated, sustained attack on 2 American compounds that took place over the course of several hours. The Scumbag in Chief did not send any reenforcements or rescue operations. Instead he left the Consolate and the CIA compound to fend for themselves in spite of requests to beef up security well in advance of the attacks. Out of the "13 Benghazis" on your list, 6 are suicide bombers. Suicide bombers are not a sustained attack and the only response is to send someone with a mop to clean up the body. So, now we're down to 7 "Benghazis" which we can look at individually.

1. January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

In this instance, there were 4 gunmen on motorcycles and the guards on duty drove them off. No one working for the Consulate was injured. Clearly, this is nothing like Benghazi.

2. October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

This was a bombing that was part of a string of bombings. There was a suicide bomber with a backpack, a car bomb, and a bomb at the Embassy. The bomb at the Embassy caused only minor damage. There were no injuries or fatalities. 202 deaths and 240 injuries from the Bali bombings occurred at the other two sites, which were nightclubs. This is nothing like Benghazi.

3. February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

Gunmen rode up on motorcycles and started shooting. The gunmen were specifically targeting Pakistani paramilitary guards who had taken over the guard duty from the police. This is nothing like Benghazi.

4. December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

While it is true that this was apparently an organized attack, the attackers never breached the Consulate. Three of the attackers were killed and two were captured. This is not like Benghazi.

5. September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

This was a 12-20 minute attack in which 3 attackers were killed and the 4th wounded. Again, this was an Embassy that was properly protected. It was not a prolonged battle that raged through the night. It is not like Benghazi.

6. March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

Really? A couple of guys taking pot shots with a mortar they don't even know how to aim is nothing at all like Benghazi. No. This is not like Benghazi.

7. July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

This was an attack by 4 men. The 3 gunmen were hanging around outside the consulate. 1 man approached a policeman on guard and shot him in the head and the other 2 opened fire. The other guards shot and killed the 3 gunmen. The 4th man arrived in a car. He was wounded as he fled the scene. This attack is not like Benghazi.

So in point of fact, there are no "13 Benghazis under Bush". There were 0 Benghazis under Bush. However, there have been 6 attacks on Consulates and Embassies during the Oblamer administration. It may interest you to know that 5 of those attacks have not been like Benghazi.

-SD-


The length you have to go to bullshit everything, just to make an argument is sad.

The point here, and I have stated it several times, on several 'Benghazi' threads now: conservatives, libertarians, Republicans and Tea Party were 'wanting' of justice to be done with Benghazi, yet have given a complete ignorance to all those moments under Bush. That this 'issue', and thread, are nothing but politically motivated attacks on Democrats. The average America understand this. Conservatives, libertarians, Republicans and Tea Party never ONCE, pressed ANY of the attacks under the Bush Administration to even 1/1000th the scale, depth, time, money, and other resources, as to what is being deployed with 'Benghazi'. It really shows the total hypocrisy.

An that is something you can not take ownership on. If you can not hold those you elect to public office to twice the level of those you vote against; why should anyone take you seriously?




SadistDave -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/11/2014 11:47:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave
quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
Imagine that SadistDave, Phydeaux and maybe even papapassion (and all those lurkers who support their position) were as passion with These Issues like they are with Benghazi? Why haven't these three people (and their lurkers/supporters) brought up a mountain of evidence with those issues?

Because that would not help the Republican and Tea Party stay as accountable and responsible with power, as they slam the Democrats....

This issue and the IRS Scandal are just smoke screens. That's the sad fact here. Even worst, the Republican/Tea Party in Congress has accomplished nothing of real significance in the last two years. Those Tea Party yahoos are worst, in that they haven't done one useful thing since being sworn into their office. Much like the Iraq/Afghanistan Wars under former President G. W. Bush, the GOP/TP plan is to keep America's attention off the REAL ISSUES and on a fantasy. That fantasy is one that shows Republican/Tea Party are doing something useful for America; when reality is....no one outside of that fantasy really cares.

Four people died in the Benghazi event. 4,000+ died, and another 32,500+ wounded in Iraq. Tell me, where are all those WMDs we were suppose to have found? The 'Massive stockpiles' reported to us by that Republican President? The same Republican President that saw all 13 Benghazi like attacks? And that's the point here. You will overlook the REAL criminals who do nothing but undermine this nation, to go after the ones trying to actually do some real good in the nation.

The President's approval rating is 47% according to Gallup.com (a conservative polling site). Congress is 12% by the same site. The President is doing more than his fair share of the work for this nation, while the other two branches of the government are undermining the nation. Or are you three going to tell us the recent US Supreme Court cases have all been 'in keeping America a good nation free of tyranny'? Or that when Congress accomplishes nothing for eight months that's a good thing?

'The Low Information Voter' sees scandal with Benghazi. To everyone else, its just a smoke screen to mask horribly bad job performance by Republicans and their Tea Party lackeys. Why should America waste its time and resources on total bullshit?

Let's deal with this alleged 13 Benghazis under Bush bullshit. Benghazi was a coordinated, sustained attack on 2 American compounds that took place over the course of several hours. The Scumbag in Chief did not send any reenforcements or rescue operations. Instead he left the Consolate and the CIA compound to fend for themselves in spite of requests to beef up security well in advance of the attacks. Out of the "13 Benghazis" on your list, 6 are suicide bombers. Suicide bombers are not a sustained attack and the only response is to send someone with a mop to clean up the body. So, now we're down to 7 "Benghazis" which we can look at individually.

1. January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

In this instance, there were 4 gunmen on motorcycles and the guards on duty drove them off. No one working for the Consulate was injured. Clearly, this is nothing like Benghazi.

2. October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

This was a bombing that was part of a string of bombings. There was a suicide bomber with a backpack, a car bomb, and a bomb at the Embassy. The bomb at the Embassy caused only minor damage. There were no injuries or fatalities. 202 deaths and 240 injuries from the Bali bombings occurred at the other two sites, which were nightclubs. This is nothing like Benghazi.

3. February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

Gunmen rode up on motorcycles and started shooting. The gunmen were specifically targeting Pakistani paramilitary guards who had taken over the guard duty from the police. This is nothing like Benghazi.

4. December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

While it is true that this was apparently an organized attack, the attackers never breached the Consulate. Three of the attackers were killed and two were captured. This is not like Benghazi.

5. September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

This was a 12-20 minute attack in which 3 attackers were killed and the 4th wounded. Again, this was an Embassy that was properly protected. It was not a prolonged battle that raged through the night. It is not like Benghazi.

6. March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

Really? A couple of guys taking pot shots with a mortar they don't even know how to aim is nothing at all like Benghazi. No. This is not like Benghazi.

7. July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

This was an attack by 4 men. The 3 gunmen were hanging around outside the consulate. 1 man approached a policeman on guard and shot him in the head and the other 2 opened fire. The other guards shot and killed the 3 gunmen. The 4th man arrived in a car. He was wounded as he fled the scene. This attack is not like Benghazi.

So in point of fact, there are no "13 Benghazis under Bush". There were 0 Benghazis under Bush. However, there have been 6 attacks on Consulates and Embassies during the Oblamer administration. It may interest you to know that 5 of those attacks have not been like Benghazi.

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The length you have to go to bullshit everything, just to make an argument is sad.

The point here, and I have stated it several times, on several 'Benghazi' threads now: conservatives, libertarians, Republicans and Tea Party were 'wanting' of justice to be done with Benghazi, yet have given a complete ignorance to all those moments under Bush. That this 'issue', and thread, are nothing but politically motivated attacks on Democrats. The average America understand this. Conservatives, libertarians, Republicans and Tea Party never ONCE, pressed ANY of the attacks under the Bush Administration to even 1/1000th the scale, depth, time, money, and other resources, as to what is being deployed with 'Benghazi'. It really shows the total hypocrisy.

An that is something you can not take ownership on. If you can not hold those you elect to public office to twice the level of those you vote against; why should anyone take you seriously?


What is sad is your inability to think for yourself. You've been regurgitating your "13 Benghazis" propaganda for a while, and clearly it is absolute bullshit. Just about every entry in your 13 Benghazi list was debunked in less than 4 sentences. For someone who thinks that Benghazi is nothing more than a politically motivated attack, you sound pretty hypocritical yourself using those ridiculous 13 Benghazi talking points.

When you start criticizing your Idiot in Chief, I'll start taking you seriously, but since you're nothing more than a poster boy for the progressive movement you might do well to heed your own admonitions.

-SD-




SadistDave -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/12/2014 12:39:01 AM)


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Let's deal with this alleged 13 Benghazis under Bush bullshit. Benghazi was a coordinated, sustained attack on 2 American compounds that took place over the course of several hours. The Scumbag in Chief did not send any reenforcements or rescue operations. Instead he left the Consolate and the CIA compound to fend for themselves in spite of requests to beef up security well in advance of the attacks.

Why must you lie?
Reinforcements were sent from Tripoli, Glen Doherty was one of them.

As to your attempt to handwave away 13 attacks on our diplomatic facilities. Each one involved a terrorist organization plotting an attack and carrying it out. Exactly like Benghazi. Exactly like that other terrorist attack on 9/11 that W let happen.


Why must you lie? Doherty was not "sent". He requested permission to go aid the people at the Embassy. There is quite a difference between asking to do something and being told. One is leadership. The other is being "led"by Barack Obama. The best you could say for the WhiteHouse is that Doherty was topping from the bottom...

Bullshit.
He was sent by the State Department. He was a State Department employee and was directed to go by the assistant ambassador who is a direct representative of the administration.

The money, $30k, he used to pay for the flight came from the State Department.


Look, Dohery's team landed around 1- 1:15am, but weren't able to get to the Consulate until 5:15 because, according to the AP, they couldn't find a ride from the airport into town until 4:30am!

They couldn't find a ride? Why was there no ride available? Why would the team you erroneously believe was "sent" to handle the situation expected to find their own transportation? Where were the Lybian civilian authorities? Surely whoever "sent" them would have arranged transportation once they hit the ground! However, that's not what happened. There were no American assets there, no local civilian assets there, and the team was stonewalled by the Lybian authorities for about 3 hours who refused to drive them into town.

If State, the CIA, the military, the White House, or anyone with the authority handle the situation had "sent" them, a little thing like a 40 minute ride from the airport to the battle would have been arranged before Doherty's plane even left Tripoli. Clinging to straws like who paid the bill for their travel is pretty idiotic. An assistant Ambassador made a decision to send the team. He had the authority to charter the plane from Tripoli as a function of his job. One of the functions of Embassies is to arrange emergency transportation. They do not need to contact anyone else for the authority to arrange something like a charter flight. I expect that they would have immediately informed the White House, under the circumstances.

If he did inform the State Department; every indication is that the State Department decided not to back up Doherty's team in any way shape or form afterwards. You seem to think that

how utterly full of shit.

It was a chaotic situation in the middle of the night. Communication was spotty and a battle was going on. The 7 reinforcements may not have felt they could have penetrated the enemy or they may not have had the weapons to be effective. we do not know. All we know is they did not leave the airport until they met up with the Libyan security forces at 4:30 AM. So stop making shit up.

The uncontested fact remains the administration did send reinforcements. and more reinforcements were on the way from both Rota and Croatia.


I've long thought that your mother should have just drowned you and sold the millk... That just needs to be said before I respond to your post.

As a matter of fact, We actually DO know that there is no evidence that anyone in Washington had any advance knowledge that Doherty's team even existed. We DO know that Doherty's unit was a Global Response Staff. which WaPo reported was a CIA covert-ops security team for high risk officials filled with former special forces members. We DO know that they had the training to do that job. We DO know that Doherty reguested his GRS team be sent when it became clear the military would not be used. So, we DO know that Doherty's team entered Lybia prepared to do their job ASAP. We DO know that Doherty's team arrived for a rescue operation and had no way of getting to the battle at the Embassy. We DO know that they were stuck at the airport for over 3 hours. We DO know that they were stuck there because they "couldn't find a ride", which was reported by the AP when the CIA released their timeline of events. We DO know that, according to the same sources, the team was ultimately forced to wait for a the Lybian government to provide an armed escort.

What we do not know is what, if anything, Barack and Hillary were doing while those at the Embassy, the CIA compound, and Doherty's team were left twisting in the wind for the duration of the 7 hour attack.

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Kirata -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/12/2014 12:51:44 AM)


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What we do not know is what, if anything, Barack and Hillary were doing while those at the Embassy, the CIA compound, and Doherty's team were left twisting in the wind for the duration of the 7 hour attack.

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DomKen -> RE: Ben Ghazi.. the scandal continues (5/12/2014 2:50:10 AM)

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I've long thought that your mother should have just drowned you and sold the millk... That just needs to be said before I respond to your post.

How big internet man of you.


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As a matter of fact, We actually DO know that there is no evidence that anyone in Washington had any advance knowledge that Doherty's team even existed. We DO know that Doherty's unit was a Global Response Staff. which WaPo reported was a CIA covert-ops security team for high risk officials filled with former special forces members. We DO know that they had the training to do that job. We DO know that Doherty reguested his GRS team be sent when it became clear the military would not be used. So, we DO know that Doherty's team entered Lybia prepared to do their job ASAP. We DO know that Doherty's team arrived for a rescue operation and had no way of getting to the battle at the Embassy. We DO know that they were stuck at the airport for over 3 hours. We DO know that they were stuck there because they "couldn't find a ride", which was reported by the AP when the CIA released their timeline of events. We DO know that, according to the same sources, the team was ultimately forced to wait for a the Lybian government to provide an armed escort.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Doherty#Glen_Doherty
GRS was working for State. Just because they had the training does not mean they had the gear. It is a fact that Doherty took up a machine gun position on the roof when he arrived at the compound.

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What we do not know is what, if anything, Barack and Hillary were doing while those at the Embassy, the CIA compound, and Doherty's team were left twisting in the wind for the duration of the 7 hour attack.

Yes, we do. You're lying. The President was at work. As usual. There are even photos of him meeting with people. You forget that there is an 8 hour time difference.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/05/08/meet-right-wing-medias-new-benghazi-hoax-champi/199220#three




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