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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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I'm curious what evidence you have that aging white guys in the Republicans Party won't vote for a black man.

History. Sure, it's possible that has changed, but we certainly aren't seeing clear signs of it. And the party certainly isn't nominating people of color for major leadership. Not president, not vice-president, not even governor -- there have been only four black governors ever, and two of those were lieutenant governors who moved up vs. elected. There was one Republican governor--not elected--in 1872/73 (Louisiana)--and he was of mixed descent (and looked white).

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This myth that Republicans wouldn't vote for a black President has no basis in fact. It is nothing more than something liberals came up with to keep blacks on the Democratic Party voting plantation.

That's just silly--and ironically, racist.

No one's voting for a black Republican presidential candidate because there aren't any. In 1888 Frederick Douglass was invited to speak at the Republican National Convention. Afterward during the roll call vote, he received one vote, so was nominally a candidate for the presidency. One vote.

In 1992 Alan Keyes was the first African-American candidate to run in the Republican presidential primaries. Keyes participated again, unsuccessfully, in 1996, 2000, and 2008. Herman Cain staged a run for the presidency in 2012, but withdrew even before any primaries were held. Not exactly ripping through the base here, are they?

There's an interesting analysis, historical and current, in the National Review. Here's the very end:

"American politics," Wills wrote in 1975, "is the South's revenge for the Civil War." He was referring to the rise of Southern and Sunbelt figures—the later ones would include Jimmy Carter, Reagan, Bill Clinton, and the two Bushes—whose dominance of presidential politics ended only with Obama's election in 2008. However, the two parties dealt with race differently. Carter and Clinton had pro–civil rights histories and directly courted black voters. But as the GOP continued remolding itself into a Southern party—led in the '90s by the Georgian Newt Gingrich and by the Texans Dick Armey and Tom DeLay—it resorted to an overtly nullifying politics: The rise of the Senate veto as a routine obstructionist tool, Jesse Helms's warning that Clinton "better have a bodyguard" if he ever traveled to North Carolina, the first protracted clashes over the debt ceiling, Gingrich's threat to withhold disaster relief, the government shutdown, Clinton's impeachment despite public disapproval of the trial. All this, moreover, seemed to reflect, or at least parallel, extremism in the wider culture often saturated in racism: Let's not forget Minutemen and Aryan Nation militias, nor the "anti-government" terrorist Timothy McVeigh, whom the FBI linked to white supremacists. The war on government—and against agencies like the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives—had become a metaphor for the broader "culture wars," one reason that the GOP's dwindling base is now at odds with the "absolute majority" on issues like gun control and same-sex marriage.

Reformers in the GOP insist that this course can be reversed with more intensive outreach efforts, better recruitment of minority candidates, and an immigration compromise. And a new cast of GOP leaders—Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio—have become national favorites. But each remains tethered to movement ideology. At the recent National Review Institute conference in Washington, Cruz even urged a "partial government shutdown," recalling the glory years of the '90s, but downplaying its destructive outcome.

Denial has always been the basis of a nullifying politics. Calhoun, too, knew he was on the losing side. The arithmetic he studied most closely was the growing tally of new free territories. Eventually, they would become states, and there would be sufficient "absolute" numbers in Congress to abolish slavery. A century later, history pushed forward again. Nonetheless, conservatives, giving birth to their movement, chose to ignore these realities and to side with "the South."

Race will always be a complex issue in America. There is no total cleansing of an original sin. But the old polarizing politics is a spent force. The image of the "angry black man" still purveyed by sensationalists such as Ann Coulter and Dinesh D'Souza is anachronistic today, when blacks and even Muslims, the most conspicuous of "outsider" groups, profess optimism about America and their place in it. A politics of frustration and rage remains, but it is most evident within the GOP's dwindling base—its insurgents and anti-government crusaders, its "middle-aged white guys." They now form the party's one solid bloc, its agitated concurrent voice, struggling not only against the facts of demography, but also with the country's developing ideas of democracy and governance. We are left with the profound historical irony that the party of Lincoln—of the Gettysburg Address, with its reiteration of the Declaration's assertion of equality and its vision of a "new birth of freedom"—has found sustenance in Lincoln's principal intellectual and moral antagonist. It has become the party of Calhoun.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112365/why-republicans-are-party-white-people

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OK, Dave. Why don't you show us how the Republicans are set to elect their first black president.


What you're ignoring in your rant and name-calling is the history cited. Black candidates haven't gotten far in the Republican Party, and still don't today.

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To run for president of the United States.

Both parties need individuals who are 'main street wise.'

Both parties need candidates who are "As honest as the day is long.’ And we all know people who no matter the situation will always do what is right, and honorable and honest.

Both parties need a candidate who yes is well educated but sorry, none of the so called top ivy schools which produce all the egotistical jerks we have now in office.

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I see you're unable to stick to a topic once asked for evidence yourself.

And I also see that your only mode of discourse is rant and finger-pointing. So much so that you've completely overlooked the acknowledgement that the Democratic record sucks in your zeal to attack. You don't even know what you're attacking anymore.

But since the question is still Republican base voting for a black president, you've still offered nothing -- only that it's a marvel Democrats voted for one. And it is! But history (and today) offers hope there, unlike the completely bleak Republican record. Without some sea change, the charge stands.

Come back when you've got a new song.

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ORIGINAL: Crouchingtiger77

To run for president of the United States.

Both parties need individuals who are 'main street wise.'

Both parties need candidates who are "As honest as the day is long.’ And we all know people who no matter the situation will always do what is right, and honorable and honest.

Both parties need a candidate who yes is well educated but sorry, none of the so called top ivy schools which produce all the egotistical jerks we have now in office.

Jessie Ventura for President - 2016! "Can't be any worse." "Would be much different, though!"

'hawk

Edited to add: To no one individual in particular.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

OK, Dave. Why don't you show us how the Republicans are set to elect their first black president.

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In 1992 Alan Keyes was the first African-American candidate to run in the Republican presidential primaries. Keyes participated again, unsuccessfully, in 1996, 2000, and 2008. Herman Cain staged a run for the presidency in 2012, but withdrew even before any primaries were held. Not exactly ripping through the base here, are they?

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Dr. Keyes had his character assassinated by racist members of both parties who were more than willing to forgive infidelity by white men but, somehow, a black man was held to a higher standard. (See: Bill Clinton cir. 1991, John Edwards cir. 2000, For a Republican, there was some guy out of Ohio ... Kucinich, maybe?)

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I see you're unable to stick to a topic once asked for evidence yourself.

And I also see that your only mode of discourse is rant and finger-pointing. So much so that you've completely overlooked the acknowledgement that the Democratic record sucks in your zeal to attack. You don't even know what you're attacking anymore.

But since the question is still Republican base voting for a black president, you've still offered nothing -- only that it's a marvel Democrats voted for one. And it is! But history (and today) offers hope there, unlike the completely bleak Republican record. Without some sea change, the charge stands.

Come back when you've got a new song.

Read reeeeeally slow and try to follow along.

Since the overwhelming majority of blacks are in the Democratic party the number of blacks in the Republican party is extremely small by comparison. Which part of that did you not understand the first time?

Now try to keep up here...

In order to become President a candidate has to be electable. That means that there are fewer blacks in the Republican party that will be electable than there are in the Democratic party. It's actually a pretty simple concept for thinking people to understand yet I had to explain it to you twice...

Why don't you come back when you can grasp preschool concepts like "more and less".

-SD-

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I see you're unable to stick to a topic once asked for evidence yourself.

And I also see that your only mode of discourse is rant and finger-pointing. So much so that you've completely overlooked the acknowledgement that the Democratic record sucks in your zeal to attack. You don't even know what you're attacking anymore.

But since the question is still Republican base voting for a black president, you've still offered nothing -- only that it's a marvel Democrats voted for one. And it is! But history (and today) offers hope there, unlike the completely bleak Republican record. Without some sea change, the charge stands.

Come back when you've got a new song.

Read reeeeeally slow and try to follow along.

Since the overwhelming majority of blacks are in the Democratic party the number of blacks in the Republican party is extremely small by comparison. Which part of that did you not understand the first time?

Now try to keep up here...

In order to become President a candidate has to be electable. That means that there are fewer blacks in the Republican party that will be electable than there are in the Democratic party. It's actually a pretty simple concept for thinking people to understand yet I had to explain it to you twice...

Why don't you come back when you can grasp preschool concepts like "more and less".

-SD-

You might consider that, when your only tool is ridicule, that you don't have much else. But to your point about more people of color registered Democrat . . .

Why do you suppose that's the case, Dave?

Think carefully now . . . .

But it also begs the question. Now you're suggesting its the blacks who vote for the blacks.

Since the point was that the old white guys base as a group was unlikely to vote out of color, I think you've demonstrated my point.

Thanks.