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An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 4:33:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not exactly sure how I feel about this, yet. I need some more time to digest, cogitate, and process but, I think this author makes some interesting points.







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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 4:50:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's an idea worth exploring, especially with a mid-term election coming up - mid-terms traditionally have the lowest voter turn-out.
It's a shame, really, that such an idea would even exist - we should not have to be coerced to vote. But considering typical voter non-turn-out maybe voting should be mandatory for a couple of generations.


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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 5:14:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's a good idea in principal.
But the only way you could enforce it is if you have every possible person/party on the voter forms plus a "None of the above" option.

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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 5:24:07 AM   
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I think it's an idea worth exploring, especially with a mid-term election coming up - mid-terms traditionally have the lowest voter turn-out.
It's a shame, really, that such an idea would even exist - we should not have to be coerced to vote. But considering typical voter non-turn-out maybe voting should be mandatory for a couple of generations.

Compulsory voting will not work...there is no incentive for the politicians to change. Put "none of the above" on the ballot and the office stays vacant until "one of the above" gets more votes than "none of the above" and things will change.

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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 6:46:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
I'm not exactly sure how I feel about this, yet. I need some more time to digest, cogitate, and process but, I think this author makes some interesting points.
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I'd be against it. Not voting is still exercising your right to vote. You are choosing to not vote for any of the candidates.

It's as stupid an idea as forcing all Citizens to buy a gun.


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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 7:27:06 AM   
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You'd have to decide, of course, whether to tax people who refuse to vote or whether to treat it as a criminal offense, like refusing to register for the draft. (Probably the former, practically speaking.) You'd have to make sure voters could still come to the polls and formally abstain, so there's no violation of free speech. And you'd have to make it a lot easier to vote than it is now, which means extending the voting period well beyond a single day and letting people e-vote from home.










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I'd be against it. Not voting is still exercising your right to vote. You are choosing to not vote for any of the candidates.

It's as stupid an idea as forcing all Citizens to buy a gun.



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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I think it's a good idea in principal.
But the only way you could enforce it is if you have every possible person/party on the voter forms plus a "None of the above" option.





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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 7:48:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		How about 1st, we start with ending your party`s voter suppression efforts and restore the early voting and absentee ballots your party recently took away from the public in some red states.


And give election fraud,voter fraud and tactics like destroying voter registrations and voter supression, mandatory minimum jail terms.


I would be ok with automatically registering drivers to vote when they get licenced but I don`t think MAKING people vote is smart........


In fact that would be pretty dumb and fraught with problems.What would the penalty be for not voting?


If there was any law passed for elections,it should be that no law,rule, statute provision.......... should impede or limit any any way, the citizen`s right to vote and be enfranchised.


Or that any election laws, make it easier to vote and not harder in any way.


Then let the people choose their leaders naturally......

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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 8:08:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		We have compulsory voting here. It doesn't seem to produce results that are significantly different to those generated by the current US system.

We have widespread disillusion with both parties who still dominate the system. The same kinds of complaints that US voters are making about their politicians are made here with the same result (or lack of result, if you prefer)

The only difference I can identify is that our system produces a greater representation for smaller parties, which usually hold the balance of power in our Senate. This allows the Senate to act as proper house of review (as it was intended to act) and not a rubber stamp for whichever of the larger parties forms Govt.

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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 8:17:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Making election day a national holiday would go a long way to enabling the people.......ALL the people, to vote if they care to.


Many folks in the working class and middle class can`t get the time off from work and are cut out of the process.


Make the voting day 24 hrs long and make early absentee voting available at every post office, at least a month before election day.

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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 8:34:45 AM   
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plus a "None of the above" option.

Now there's a reform that would have teeth.

K.


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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 8:47:58 AM   
OwnerFiftyNine


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Status: offline 		I`m ok with you not voting dude....absolutely ok .....


You rock on,now.....


If you could get any like minded voters to do the same.......that would be good....

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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 8:49:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Well, I can tell that both of you didn't read the article very carefully ...


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
I think it's a good idea in principal.
But the only way you could enforce it is if you have every possible person/party on the voter forms plus a "None of the above" option.



There's a difference between voting for 'none of the above' and abstaining.
To abstain means not to vote at all.
To vote for 'none of the above' shows that you wanted to vote, and voted, but there were no reasonable options.

That would make an interesting point don'cha think??
That would tell you how many didn't want to vote (abstained) and how many wanted to vote but no valid options presented.

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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 8:52:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, you don't consider "formally abstain" to be the same as "none of the above". Got it.

quote:

ORIGINAL 13th Paragraph

You'd have to decide, of course, whether to tax people who refuse to vote or whether to treat it as a criminal offense, like refusing to register for the draft. (Probably the former, practically speaking.) You'd have to make sure voters could still come to the polls and formally abstain, so there's no violation of free speech. And you'd have to make it a lot easier to vote than it is now, which means extending the voting period well beyond a single day and letting people e-vote from home.










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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 8:56:46 AM   
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So, you don't consider "formally abstain" to be the same as "none of the above". Got it.


No I don't.

You can't force people to vote without being in breach of your own constitution.
So you have to allow people not to vote at all... to abstain.
But there's a difference for those that want to vote but nothing good for them to choose from.
That's a different ball'o'wax.

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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 9:00:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Well, I can tell that both of you didn't read the article very carefully ...
quote:

ORIGINAL 13th Paragraph
You'd have to decide, of course, whether to tax people who refuse to vote or whether to treat it as a criminal offense, like refusing to register for the draft. (Probably the former, practically speaking.) You'd have to make sure voters could still come to the polls and formally abstain, so there's no violation of free speech. And you'd have to make it a lot easier to vote than it is now, which means extending the voting period well beyond a single day and letting people e-vote from home.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I'd be against it. Not voting is still exercising your right to vote. You are choosing to not vote for any of the candidates.
It's as stupid an idea as forcing all Citizens to buy a gun.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
I think it's a good idea in principal.
But the only way you could enforce it is if you have every possible person/party on the voter forms plus a "None of the above" option.

Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?


I'm still being forced to vote. You know what will happen? You'll have more people voting, more people bitching about not being able to vote (for a variety of reasons), more people writing in Mickey Mouse, et. al., and less freedom.

I don't care how easy you make it, forcing someone to vote is wrong.


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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 9:03:07 AM   
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I`m ok with you not voting dude....absolutely ok .....

My post didn't say anything about NOT voting, but seeing things that aren't there does explain a lot of yours.

K.

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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 9:07:11 AM   
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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 9:11:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I'm not exactly sure how I feel about this, yet. I need some more time to digest, cogitate, and process but, I think this author makes some interesting points.



I don't think it will ever happen, although I can understand the reason and motivation behind such an idea. I think it's every citizen's civic duty and honor to vote. One could always write in any candidate or turn in an empty ballot, but at least show up at the polls, if only just to cast a protest vote. One could write in "Mickey Mouse" or "Chuck U. Farley."

Also, there are some ballot propositions which don't involve voting for a candidate or party.

I'm somewhat leery of the idea of compulsory voting, especially since the option of mail-in voting exists in many states. Those who are apathetic or don't really know much about politics would be compelled to vote but not know who to vote for. So, there might be various "free services" popping up to "help" people prepare and cast their ballot.

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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 11:01:47 AM   
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RE: An Interesting Idea? - 5/1/2014 12:30:15 PM   
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That was my favorite part.

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