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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
There are indeed many countries in sub Saharan Africa, much like there are many states in the southwest and southeast of the United States.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
There are indeed many countries in sub Saharan Africa, much like there are many states in the southwest and southeast of the United States.

It depends on what you consider "many" and what one considers to be the "southwest." I think there are only four states as part of the "southwest," Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and California. However, I've known people who don't consider Texas to be "southwest," or at least limit it only to West Texas. And some also just consider California to be "west," not specifically "southwest." Although I've seen many different interpretations of what is considered "southwest."

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Their education level, their fathers education level, their grandfathers education level, their great grand fathers education level....ad infinitum.....was at best, (collectively) equivalent to a fart.




Everyone is capable of that ThompsonX, that's been my point throughout this entire conversation. I don't think anyone is unclear about that but for you.

Does it hurt your mouth when you talk out of both sides of it at the same time.

Not at all (since I don't).

You find the two above statements to be mutually supportive?[8|]. Perhaps if I were to speak real slow...In the first statement you claim that these people are as you put it dumber than a fart (and yet still capable of grasping opportunity....once again Thompson....looking for the lowest common denominator) and yet in the next statement you claim that anyone can do it. (And, anyone clearly can) Obviously these people were not making it because your buddy bill had to help them out. (He's not my buddy....I've never met him but he provided at a cost an advantage that farmers with limited education found an ability to take advantage of)
Now you know why no one takes your moronic post seriously. Of course. You are the Master of all knowledge.

If anyone with an IQ above a cumquat would have read that, with an IQ above a pencil eraser, they would have seen the obvious that being, all your arguments here in the USA, people are bombarded by "barricades" ("it CAN'T be done....it's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!"), yet these folks with less than a child's ability here in the first world, there in the 3rd, overcame their infirmities simply by being inducted into the 21st century.

It speaks for itself (clearly not for you).

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Interestingly, ThompsonX, over the last 4 -7 screens, you've accused me of theft, bias, illegal activities, bankruptcy, cheating in business, and you've been more than specific and rather direct in your accusations.


The proof of everything I have posted is in the post...quoted from your own hand. So when you advocate illegal activities I am going to be quick to point out your inconsistancies in logic. And yet you still haven't....since it's never occurred. Please divulge, in detail.

Each time I've asked for clarification of your accusations, you've avoided responding to them (in abundance).

Perhaps if you were to find someone who reads english (English) they might be able to help you.

I think it would prove rather instructive if you did, don't you think?

I thought it was most instructive when I pointed out the shallowness of your position. But to date, no specifics. Please spew all your vast knowledge Thompson....please feel free to show in detail where I've (ever) advocated breaking the law. You seem to have unending difficulty supporting that treatise.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
My argument has been throughout....that "it can't be done" (by some races because of their history) is just plain fallacy.

I don't think the argument here has been "it can't be done," but rather, it's asked in a form of a question "How can it be done?" Examining the history is important to understand how we got to this point. It's a matter of understanding our own history and the damage it has caused to our nation and the people who live in it. Some people are still in denial about that - or they minimize and play down the magnitude of the issue in question. They might say "it can't be done" because there are those in society actively working against "it" being done.

That still doesn't stop those who believe otherwise.

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Unless you have physical or mental limitations that truly limit you (Stephen Hawking excluded because, his brain will likely be preserved, plugged in to some nuclear source and continue working for us through the year 4,219), you can absolutely achieve more.

I absolutely can't stand comments, they make me cringe, that because of some races awful history, they're subject to some horrible future.

The thing is, that "awful history" is also something that's part of our race and country, too. I think things have improved in my lifetime, and I'd like to think that the future will be better (although you never know). But the important thing is to at least be honest about our history and our current situation. If someone puts in their best effort to "reach for a star," and if they're denied access or opportunity due to their race, then that's a crime that has to be addressed. It doesn't mean they're not trying or that they don't have to make an effort, but we, as a society, have an interest in making sure that everyone is treated fairly and equally.

It's not "a crime" it's an impediment.

In this thread, I think people have been addressing what they see as denial. Some posters seem to be denying that racism is a problem in society and are implying that it's the minorities' own fault that they're not succeeding. To be sure, many have succeeded and done quite well for themselves. Also, it stands to reason that there may be other problems in society (besides racism) which may be hindering society's ability to improve the lot of its people and ensure that all are being treated fairly and equitably.

Racism is real. It's just coming from a source that is incongruous from that which most believe it emanates from.

I think there may be some inherent systemic flaws that may also be to blame here. Although many key reforms were made in our society to end racism and discrimination in this country, the same basic structure and foundation was kept intact. Wall Street was still Wall Street. The Mob was still the Mob. The military-industrial complex and the national security state were still there. The government was still the government. The rich still remained rich. (But a valid question is: Why?) The standard of living did improve after WW2, as we had the good fortune of being one of the few countries that didn't have wiped-out industries and devastated economies. (indeed, our industrial complex was one of few still intact ergo, we could produce, en mass, what others desired) Even if there were genuine desires for reform and change in society, it seems that they only existed at the surface - something that we were trying to do to improve our national image and reputation, but there seemed to be a reluctance (on all sides) to really get to the core of what the problem is or was. And I think it's perfectly natural that a lot of people just want to forget the past, get over it, move forward, and everyone should just get along and be free, ambitious, successful, rich - and everything will be just great.

Forgetting the past is the first and most potent mistakes.

But it might also seem like the equivalent of giving plastic surgery and a makeover to a corpse. That may be why some people have certain misgivings about the way things are currently going. Forgetting the past is the reason.

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Of course. You are the Master of all knowledge

Kissing my ass does not change the fact that your post are filled with meaningless platitudes. When pressed for specifics your posts continually wander off into the general...they & them Even as you insist I have none (never having pressed for more because most are clear, you can't deliver), you have been incredibly specific to the point of rather specific accusation, on at least 15 - 20 different items, including but not limited to that I have espoused breaking the law, that I have broken the law and that my business philosophy is entirely ABOUT breaking the law....I've asked you to clearly specify where I have said, suggested or even done any such thing, yet you've avoided it like the plague. I would encourage you to explain to all whom are among your throng....where I have said any such thing. Please....fill us to the brim with your vast knowledge of all things.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Racism is real. It's just coming from a source that is incongruous from that which most believe it emanates from

The stuff you linked me to seemed to come straight from the kkk. Which is where one might expect. That you linked me to such a site to validate your position would seem to indicate once again that the bigotry is coming from an expected source.

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(indeed, our industrial complex was one of few still intact ergo, we could produce, en mass, what others desired)

Was russia' industrial complex damaged? Yes. Decimated. Was Australia's industrial complex damaged? No, but they didn't have one to speak of at the time so any progression for them was up.....from nearly nothing...Effectively, for practical purposes, limp and ineffective. Was Canada's industrial complex damaged? No (North America), read between the lines. Canada was a vital resource for "Lend Lease". Was s. africa's industrial complex damaged? Non existent before, slightly less due to world economics thereafter. Was india's industrial complex damaged? Non existent before, slightly less due to world economics thereafter. Was scandanavia's industrial complex damaged? Non existent before, slightly less due to world economics thereafter. Was China's industrial complex damaged? Non existent before, slightly less due to world economics thereafter. Were japans industrial complex in china damaged? Considering Japan didn't have any industrial capacity in China......Uhhhh....lemme think here....after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.....just a smidge. Tiny bit
Pulcratudinous platitudes Thompson....read a book occasionally....they're filled with wonderful things....called words.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

(indeed, our industrial complex was one of few still intact ergo, we could produce, en mass, what others desired)

Was russia' industrial complex damaged?

Yes. Decimated.


By whom? with what? Get a fucking history book.

Was Australia's industrial complex damaged?

No, but they didn't have one to speak of at the time so any progression for them was up.....from nearly nothing...Effectively, for practical purposes, limp and ineffective.



Australian aircraft production during World War II

Boomerang fighters under construction at Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation's Fisherman's Bend factory


Aircraft total 3,485

Wartime total for each a/c type
Beaufort 700
Beaufighter 329
Wirraway 717
Wackett 200
Boomerang 250
Mustang 18
Tiger Moth 1,070
Dragon 87
Mosquito 115

Military production

Production of selected weapons for the Australian Army[14]



Weapon


Wartime total



Lee-Enfield 0.303 rifle 411 050
Vickers MMG 11 436
Bren LMG 17 434
2 pounder AT gun 1 580
6 pounder AT gun 900
17 pounder AT gun 128
25 pounder field gun 1 905
25 pounder field gun (short) 219
Bofors 40 mm AA gun 290
3.7 inch AA gun 497
Owen SMG 45 463
Austen SMG 19 905
2-inch mortar 2 000
3-inch mortar 3 006
4.2 inch mortar 300
Machine-gun carrier 4 983
Sentinel tank 65
Rover Light Armoured Car 238
Dingo scout car 245



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_home_front_during_World_War_II



Was Canada's industrial complex damaged?

No (North America), read between the lines. Canada was a vital resource for "Lend Lease".


Last time I checked canada is not part of the u.s. Lend lease was a u.s. program not a canadian one.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Was s. africa's industrial complex damaged?


Non existent before, slightly less due to world economics thereafter.


Perhaps if you were to actually read one of those books with words you would know that this is igorant bullshit.


Was india's industrial complex damaged?



Non existent before, slightly less due to world economics thereafter.

please disabuse yourself of your self imposed ignorance.This site will link you to wartime production in those countries that you think had a non existant industrial capacity.


http://ww2-weapons.com/History/Production/UK/




Was scandanavia's industrial complex damaged?



Non existent before, slightly less due to world economics thereafter.


So the germans made their heavy water at home....the ignorance of your post is mindnumbing



Were japans industrial complex in china damaged?

Considering Japan didn't have any industrial capacity in China.


Japan had steel mills in manchuria that were beyond the range of the b29...had you read one of those books with words that you keep talking about you might have known that.

.....Uhhhh....lemme think here....after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.....just a smidge. Tiny bit


Neither hiroshima or nagasaki is in china.

Pulcratudinous platitudes


Thompson....read a book occasionally....they're filled with wonderful things....called words.


Perhaps if you took your own advice your post would not be so mindnumbingly ignorant.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
That still doesn't stop those who believe otherwise.

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It's not "a crime" it's an impediment.

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Racism is real. It's just coming from a source that is incongruous from that which most believe it emanates from.

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The rich still remained rich.

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(But a valid question is: Why?)

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(indeed, our industrial complex was one of few still intact ergo, we could produce, en mass, what others desired)

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Forgetting the past is the first and most potent mistakes.

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But it might also seem like the equivalent of giving plastic surgery and a makeover to a corpse. That may be why some people have certain misgivings about the way things are currently going.

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Forgetting the past is the reason.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

(indeed, our industrial complex was one of few still intact ergo, we could produce, en mass, what others desired)

Was russia' industrial complex damaged?

Yes. Decimated.


By whom? with what? Get a fucking history book.

Was Australia's industrial complex damaged?

No, but they didn't have one to speak of at the time so any progression for them was up.....from nearly nothing...Effectively, for practical purposes, limp and ineffective.



Australian aircraft production during World War II

Boomerang fighters under construction at Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation's Fisherman's Bend factory


Aircraft total 3,485

Wartime total for each a/c type
Beaufort 700
Beaufighter 329
Wirraway 717
Wackett 200
Boomerang 250
Mustang 18
Tiger Moth 1,070
Dragon 87
Mosquito 115

Military production

Production of selected weapons for the Australian Army[14]



Weapon


Wartime total



Lee-Enfield 0.303 rifle 411 050
Vickers MMG 11 436
Bren LMG 17 434
2 pounder AT gun 1 580
6 pounder AT gun 900
17 pounder AT gun 128
25 pounder field gun 1 905
25 pounder field gun (short) 219
Bofors 40 mm AA gun 290
3.7 inch AA gun 497
Owen SMG 45 463
Austen SMG 19 905
2-inch mortar 2 000
3-inch mortar 3 006
4.2 inch mortar 300
Machine-gun carrier 4 983
Sentinel tank 65
Rover Light Armoured Car 238
Dingo scout car 245



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_home_front_during_World_War_II



Was Canada's industrial complex damaged?

No (North America), read between the lines. Canada was a vital resource for "Lend Lease".


Last time I checked canada is not part of the u.s. Lend lease was a u.s. program not a canadian one.

You are quite correct, Canada is in fact not part of the U.S., and Lend Lease was in fact an American program. Canada was an instrumental part of the United States and by virtue, their economy and manufacturing capacity worked side by side with ours, hence: "No (North America), read between the lines."

Apparently you can't.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Was s. africa's industrial complex damaged?


Non existent before, slightly less due to world economics thereafter.


Perhaps if you were to actually read one of those books with words you would know that this is igorant bullshit.


Was india's industrial complex damaged?



Non existent before, slightly less due to world economics thereafter.

please disabuse yourself of your self imposed ignorance.This site will link you to wartime production in those countries that you think had a non existant industrial capacity.


http://ww2-weapons.com/History/Production/UK/

India is not in the UK. Nor for the record, is Sweden, San Diego or Oklahoma.

Was scandanavia's industrial complex damaged?



Non existent before, slightly less due to world economics thereafter.


So the germans made their heavy water at home....the ignorance of your post is mindnumbing



Were japans industrial complex in china damaged?

Considering Japan didn't have any industrial capacity in China.


Japan had steel mills in manchuria that were beyond the range of the b29...had you read one of those books with words that you keep talking about you might have known that.

.....Uhhhh....lemme think here....after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.....just a smidge. Tiny bit


Neither hiroshima or nagasaki is in china. That would be correct. They are in Japan.

Pulcratudinous platitudes


Thompson....read a book occasionally....they're filled with wonderful things....called words.


Perhaps if you took your own advice your post would not be so mindnumbingly ignorant.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
The less priviledged in the u.s. need to suck it up and pull themselves up by their bootstraps without the help of govt. While the less priviledged in africa dont need to suck it up and pull themselves up by their bootstraps because lil bill was there to help them out. Now the money that lil bill puts into africa is tax deductable. So it would appear that while the u.s. taxpayer is subsidizing the less fortunate of africa while we are told that it is innapropriate and demeaning to help the less priviledged in our own country.
Why come???