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fucktoyprincess -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 9:43:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressKel My Aunt...I quit going to holiday functions because she would corner me and push God on me. Despite my telling her that I'm good with God, and have my OWN relationship with him that I handle my OWN way. Yours is the most powerful faith of all. The sooner people understand this, the better off the entire world will be. Your kind of faith cannot be shaken by what others think or even do. Your kind of faith does not require other people to affirm it in public because you carry it inside of you where it is with you, always. More power to you!! [:)]

thompsonx -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 9:44:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess Religion and prayer are PRIVATE matters for people to do ON THEIR OWN TIME. REALLLYYYYY? PRIVATE? is that why they have those HUGE BUILDINGS that LARGE CROWDS go to and pray together at,and hold picnic and BBQs etc. etc. etc..... Yes those are private buildings only available to those who belong to that private club. sorry but religion and prayer as a rule is QUITE the SOCIAL EVENT! A private social event I think what you meant was, I don't like religion so they SHOULD KEEP IT PRIVATE, like it was something DIRTY or SHAMEFULL It is something dirty and shameful. It should be kept private

thompsonx -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 9:48:38 AM)
Making a prayer in public has nothing to do with being weak or strong. It has to do with the left illegally and immorally trying to muzzle people they don't agree with. No it has to do with me not having to put up with moronic fools who want me to listen to them snivel to their imaginary friend about how fucking weak they are and how much they need the help of an imaginary friend.

thompsonx -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 9:50:19 AM)
Congress is not making you belong to a religion. It is not requiring you to believe in order to be heard. The scotus is making me listen to this drivel.

BitYakin -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 9:52:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux McFLy! The consitutional right to speech isn't granted by a government. Its granted by a supreme authority (endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights and among them are life, liberty and the persuit of happiness). Thats the law in this country. The first law, in fact. Since our government does not grant the right to free speach, it cannot remove it either. The government rather is supposed to ensure it. Thats why we have a government (government are instituted among men....). So your insistence that prayer should be silent is, indeed, muzzling. Faith and prayer aren't the issues. Our founding fathers started and ended each day of the constitutional convention with a prayer. The idea that we should surrender our freedom that was purchased at great cost - is offensive. No where did I say that prayer should ONLY be silent. I said prayer can be PRIVATE or if in a PUBLIC meeting where other activity is going on, then silent so as not to disturb the rest of the proceedings. NOOO you said and I QUOTE, "Religion and prayer *are* PRIVATE matters for people to do ON THEIR OWN TIME." not CAN BE, SHOULD BE, or OUGHT TO BE but that they ARE So now you are arguing that people should have the right to scream their prayers while other business at the public meeting is actually taking place??? NO ONE is arguing that, that would be the point of doing it BEFORE THE MEETING STARTS DUHHHHH How is not praying in public "surrendering our freedom"? It can only be that if you believe faith and prayer is not meaningful unless it is done at a public council meeting in front of people who don't want to hear it. hate to tell you this weather it be prayer or ANYTHING when it is RESTRICTED that called SURRENDRING A FREEDOM Your very responses are confirming my concerns. You think that religion, faith and prayer don't even exist unless they are done out loud, in public venues, in front of people who don't want to listen. And you feel if you are not allowed to do that you have "surrendered" your faith. Your god is cringing….. I have only heard YOU SAY THAT, NO ONE ELSE HAS, ONLY YOU sorry you can't understand its not about PRAYING OUT LOUD it's about be told they are NOT ALLOWED TO that is the ISSUE personally I could give a rat's ass less, they wanna pray FINE. don't wanna pray DON'T, but to get all BENT OUT OF SHAPE over it just makes you look PETTY I mean just how PATHETIC and EMPTY does ones life have to be to wanna MAKE A FEDERAL CASE OUT OF THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE... talk about CRAVING ATTENTION and THREE RING CIRCUS'S!

thompsonx -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 9:56:12 AM)
The consitutional right to speech isn't granted by a government. Its granted by a supreme authority (endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights and among them are life, liberty and the persuit of happiness). Thats the law in this country. The first law, in fact. The "constitutional right" to free speech is granted and supported by the government. Try having any rights without a government to support your rights. Since our government does not grant the right to free speach, it cannot remove it either. This would be an ignorant unsubstantiated opinion...read the patriot act. The government rather is supposed to ensure it. They insure what they issue. So your insistence that prayer should be silent is, indeed, muzzling. Your insistence that we have to listen to you sniveling to your imaginary friend is is childish.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 10:02:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess But the "left" is not muzzling people - the people are free to pray in private and their houses of worship as often and as long as they wish. They can even be praying silently to themselves during the entirety of the public council meeting if that's what they want to do. So there is no muzzling of prayer going on. hate to tell you this but what you describe is pretty much the DEFINTION of muzzling as long as your dog is in your home or car or someplace PRIVATE they don't need a MUZZLE, but if they go out in PUBLIC then they NEED TO BE MUZZLED! So according to you, a Christian praying alone, a Christian praying with their family at home, a Christian praying with other Christians at church, Christians praying anywhere at any time silently is NOT prayer or faith. Only a Christian praying out loud during a government meeting where non-Christians are present is praying. Muzzling in the context of speech means shutting it down entirely. We are talking about speech and the First Amendment here. The word has multiple meanings from multiple historical uses.

BitYakin -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 10:04:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressKel Aside from the fact that the Bible makes clear that prayer should be private (and no, I can't quote to you where I got that, just read the damn Bible and you'll know for yourself)... quote: I think what you meant was, I don't like religion so they SHOULD KEEP IT PRIVATE, like it was something DIRTY or SHAMEFULL When you push it on other people, it IS dirty and shameful...much more shameful than ANYTHING I've ever done. Why can't Christians not accept the words, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT? My Aunt...OMG. I quit going to holiday functions because she would corner me and push God on me. Despite my telling her that I'm good with God, and have my OWN relationship with him that I handle my OWN way. She continues to tell me that I need Jesus as my saviour...how the FUCK does this silly bitch KNOW what I need when she doesn't even listen to what I DO believe??? SO, the main reason I don't like public prayer is because it's bullshit and just a way to "weed out" 'unbelievers" so that they can target them for brainwashing. isn't it nice to live in a country where you are free to express that opinion, to bad you don't feel everyone has that SAME RIGHT you just FORCED YOUR OPINION ON ME DIDN'T YOU??? ohh wait, I didn't HAVE TO READ IT OR LISTEN TO IT DID I? just as YOU HAVE THAT SAME OPTION! don't wanna be part of a religion DON'T GO TO A CHURCH, don't wanna listen to bible thumpers CLOSE THE DOOR, don't wanna hear a prayer at a pubic function STEP OUTSIDE quit PRETENDING you are being FORCED! seeeee you FIGURED IT OUT with your AUNT, JUST DON'T GO THERE, its called FREEDOM

Phydeaux -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 10:06:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx So your insistence that prayer should be silent is, indeed, muzzling. Your insistence that we have to listen to you sniveling to your imaginary friend is is childish. Once the government says that they should remove my right to pray in public, perhaps it will restrict your right to speak for democrats. Or about abortion. Or the rights to advocate for gun control. Free speech is free speech ESPECIALLY when it is unwanted. And you lefties are just once again petty little dictators trying to say who can say what where. Fuck off. Oh wait. you probably think that shouldn't be allowed either.

DomKen -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 10:07:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Those people are not Christians. I can say I am a Jew, I can say I am an atheist, I can say I am a man, I can say anything but it doesn't make it true. Sadly those people might even think in their minds this is Christian. Its not. Hate is not Christian and those people who do this, make me want to vomit. That's called the No True Scotsman Fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Zonie63 -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 10:08:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 The prayers are not limited to Christianity. If one feels they are not properly represented, then ask to stand up and say your own prayer. Simple. People are afraid to do that? Contrary to popular belief Christians are not to be feared. Not every place is poo dunk dumb. ITs like me hating muslims because what extremists did and grouping them all together as one. They are not One and anyone who does that is not balanced nor Godly. I agree that Christians are not all the same, but many Christians I've known tend to agree that there are a lot of bad apples in their barrel. Some people have good cause to fear some Christians, even including other Christians. Maybe there's not much reason to fear Christians nowadays in 21st century America, but I've talked to some Christians who give me the impression that they're somehow entrenched, that they believe Christianity is under attack. It's some Christians who seem fearful, and that might be disconcerting to others. After all, as FDR said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." Perhaps Muslims and other religions might also be fearful that their religions are under attack, so they might feel entrenched as well. If this ruling makes other religions more fearful, then it may lead to further complications. I don't know much about this town involved in this ruling, although our city council and county board of supervisors has an opening prayer at their meetings, but it's non-denominational, with different clergy from different religions participating on a rotating basis. I've always thought the idea was somewhat absurd for politicians to pray just before they start screwing up the local government even more.

BitYakin -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 10:12:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess Religion and prayer are PRIVATE matters for people to do ON THEIR OWN TIME. REALLLYYYYY? PRIVATE? is that why they have those HUGE BUILDINGS that LARGE CROWDS go to and pray together at,and hold picnic and BBQs etc. etc. etc..... Yes those are private buildings only available to those who belong to that private club. WRONG, anyone can enter any church I am aware of at ANY TIME, you don't have to show a card or KNOW SOMEONE to get in sorry but religion and prayer as a rule is QUITE the SOCIAL EVENT! A private social event WRONG AGAIN, but PRETEND ANYTHING that fits your personal BIGOTRY! the churchs here in St. Louis hold all kinds of events fish fries, BBQs, picnics and ALL ARE OPEN TO ANYONE who wish to attend, this INCLUDES masses at churchs I have never seen nor heard of anyone being CHALLENGED at the door of ANY PLACE OF WORSHIP I think what you meant was, I don't like religion so they SHOULD KEEP IT PRIVATE, like it was something DIRTY or SHAMEFULL It is something dirty and shameful. It should be kept private funny that's not what the CONSITUTION SAYS, CAREFULLL your BIGOTRY IS showing again! weren't you SCREAMING ABOUT BIGOTRY on another thread?

fucktoyprincess -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 10:14:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Free speech is free speech ESPECIALLY when it is unwanted. So if someone shows up at a church, they have the right to take over the pulpit and start talking about anything they want to even though the people who are there have gathered to pray? When people gather to attend a town council meeting they represent all faiths and viewpoints and they are NOT there to pray, they are there to attend the meeting. So if you tell people they have to sit and listen to prayer when they have gathered to do something else, then are people allowed to go to houses of worship and just start talking about other stuff that has nothing to do with the particular religion involved? So your position is that there is no venue anymore that is restricted to either religious or government business. That we can just talk about whatever we want to talk about anywhere, anytime. Let me know where you meet for services and I would be glad to come and take over the pulpit and express my freedom of speech while you are trying to pray, because that's what you seem to think it means. [&:]

thishereboi -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 10:17:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 The prayers are not limited to Christianity. If one feels they are not properly represented, then ask to stand up and say your own prayer. Simple. People are afraid to do that? Contrary to popular belief Christians are not to be feared. Not every place is poo dunk dumb. ITs like me hating muslims because what extremists did and grouping them all together as one. They are not One and anyone who does that is not balanced nor Godly. There are an estimated 4300 religions in the world. If you wanted to be fair and represent each one, let's say give them 30 seconds each, that would take 35 HOURS. The only way to be fair is to do all of them. Anything less than that is simply not fair. Are you seriously suggesting that there might be 4300 religions attending in one night that would each want to talk? And if they are not in the room how the hell are they going to be offended?

BitYakin -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 10:22:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Making a prayer in public has nothing to do with being weak or strong. It has to do with the left illegally and immorally trying to muzzle people they don't agree with. No it has to do with me not having to put up with moronic fools who want me to listen to them snivel to their imaginary friend about how fucking weak they are and how much they need the help of an imaginary friend. you don't HAVE TO it is after all a FREE COUNTRY and that's why they INVENTED DOORS

BitYakin -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 10:23:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Congress is not making you belong to a religion. It is not requiring you to believe in order to be heard. The scotus is making me listen to this drivel. ummm NO THEY ARE NOT, just because you want to PRETEND they are doesn't make it true

BitYakin -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 10:32:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx The consitutional right to speech isn't granted by a government. Its granted by a supreme authority (endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights and among them are life, liberty and the persuit of happiness). Thats the law in this country. The first law, in fact. The "constitutional right" to free speech is granted and supported by the government. Try having any rights without a government to support your rights. sorry NOOOO it says RIGHT IN THE CONSTITUTION it is NOT GRANTED by the CONSITUTION come on dude its PLAIN ENGLISH "endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights" Since our government does not grant the right to free speach, it cannot remove it either. This would be an ignorant unsubstantiated opinion...read the patriot act. sorry I read the CONSTITUTION and it said RIGHT IN THERE that what he said is IN FACT A FACT "endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights" again ITS ENGLISH!! The government rather is supposed to ensure it. They insure what they issue. NOOO they DO NOT, no more than an INSURANCE company ISSUES you the car they insure, they are YOUR RIGHTS the gov't just PROTECTS THEM So your insistence that prayer should be silent is, indeed, muzzling. Your insistence that we have to listen to you sniveling to your imaginary friend is is childish. I'd rather put up with someone being CHILDISH than someone who wants to MUZZLE ME

BitYakin -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 10:34:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess But the "left" is not muzzling people - the people are free to pray in private and their houses of worship as often and as long as they wish. They can even be praying silently to themselves during the entirety of the public council meeting if that's what they want to do. So there is no muzzling of prayer going on. hate to tell you this but what you describe is pretty much the DEFINTION of muzzling as long as your dog is in your home or car or someplace PRIVATE they don't need a MUZZLE, but if they go out in PUBLIC then they NEED TO BE MUZZLED! So according to you, a Christian praying alone, a Christian praying with their family at home, a Christian praying with other Christians at church, Christians praying anywhere at any time silently is NOT prayer or faith. Only a Christian praying out loud during a government meeting where non-Christians are present is praying. Muzzling in the context of speech means shutting it down entirely. We are talking about speech and the First Amendment here. The word has multiple meanings from multiple historical uses. NOPE I never said ANY SUCH THING, only YOU have said that... prayer is prayer where ever and when ever, ONLY you wish it to be MUZZLED outside the PRIVACY of peoples homes and churchs and NO muzzling is done to PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM SOMETHING DANGEROUS, MUZZLING is ONLY NEEDED IN PUBLIC nope MUZZLING in the context of FREE SPEECH is saying you may say whatever you want in PRIVATE just NOT IN PUBLIC!

thompsonx -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 10:37:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx So your insistence that prayer should be silent is, indeed, muzzling. Your insistence that we have to listen to you sniveling to your imaginary friend is is childish. Once the government says that they should remove my right to pray in public, Not your right to pray in public but your desire to impose your moronic belief on me. perhaps it will restrict your right to speak for democrats. If you were to read some of my more than 10k post you will find that I do not speak for demopubs nor republicrats Or the rights to advocate for gun control I have been a life member of the nra since before you were born...so park that line of shit someplace besides here.. And you lefties are just once again petty little dictators trying to say who can say what where. Lefties????because I am not interested in listening to the whining of some punkassmotherfucker to his imaginary friend when I am trying to attend a public meeting.

thompsonx -> RE: You can now violate someone else's religion with prayer! (5/6/2014 10:44:32 AM)
This would be an ignorant unsubstantiated opinion...read the patriot act. sorry I read the CONSTITUTION and it said RIGHT IN THERE that what he said is IN FACT A FACT "endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights" again ITS ENGLISH!! It may be in english but it is the declaration of independence not the constitution....

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