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epiphiny43 -> RE: interesting post on the politics of alarmists. (5/11/2014 12:33:30 AM)
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Yeah, I know. It's good science if it fits an agenda, obvious collusion, propaganda and conspiracy if it doesn't. The studies keep elaborating on just how complex and unanticipated so many feedbacks and interactions are, but no game changers yet in terms of overall accelerating global warming. On balance more new work shows faster unanticipated effects and positive feedbacks than moderating factors. It's Not looking fun to be a mid to late 21st Century Man.
A number of studies show if we solved the fossil carbon emissions today, it wouldn't make a substantial difference, as at least half the anthropogenic carbon is from land use changes, mostly cutting forest to graze beef, or now in the USA, ruin even more unsuitable soil and watershed with crops for methanol bio-fuels. Current land conversion to palm oil plantations world wide is the greatest assault on tropical rain forest since Man stood up on his back legs.
We not only have to stop eating off the top of the food chain and become a primarily vegetarian species again, restore much of the damaged or removed forest but also find ways to remove a third or more of present CO2 and other greenhouse gases before the positive feedback mechanisms create a climate that a huge part of humanity probably won't survive. Looks like a lot of the tropics simply won't be inhabitable by humans otherwise and far too much food growing area will be significantly degraded or eliminated from our agriculture inventory. The land loss from any significant sea level rise impacts a startling percentage of both urban and third world humanity. There simply isn't any place for them to live or grow food without displacing other people. Which is code for invade and kill.
What the climate change deniers keep trying to do with all the red herrings about agenda driven funding and such is to make everyone think climate and Earth scientists are sitting around in offices being paid to drag shit out of their ass like the deniers are. The actual science of climate change is being written by the people taking the trouble to go out there and LOOK and MEASURE the planet and it's changes. Those recording what dates spring flowers bloom, migratory animals shift environments, snow melts in mountains and plains, pulling up ice cores thousands of years old and measuring the gas concentrations, dropping temp and chemistry probes in deep oceans, measuring current glacial faces against historic photos and records, putting increasingly precise and novel ground, ice, temperature and water measuring instruments in orbit aren't making up their data, they don't have to. And their contemporaries cross check the work repeatedly, making the type of fraud so common in politics a career death in science. The reality says all that is needed to back up evolving ideas of what technological civilization has done to the biosphere.
If you want fraud, follow the money. Those being paid to spin data to show reality isn't happening are the same kind of morally destitute shills who worked for the tobacco companies 'producing' studies proving tobacco wasn't doing harm or had health issues. Nice guys. I suppose there are suckers who still believe them too.
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