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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 3:12:35 PM   
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Then you either did the search wrong or you have a very common name, something like John Smith. When I Google myself I can build up pretty much my whole resume.

Well, I didn't spend a lot of time tweaking my search parameters but I think I was close enough that I should have found something if it was out there. I also do have a very common name, especially where I'm from. I did find a few sites trying to track my address or where I went to high school. Beyond that, the search resulted in some 30+ pages but only the first 10 or so really applied to people in my area.

Have you never gotten a promotion that the company announced on their website or in a  release? That's a bunch of what you'd find if you Google'd me.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 3:17:06 PM   
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Honestly, its a little late to start worrying about this shite.

So we should just accept it? Fuck that.


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...you Americans have been trained to give anyone that asks all sorts of info

The ones who don't protect their information are the ones who get fucked. I'm not really interested in being a part of that group, thank you very much.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 3:19:55 PM   
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Have you never gotten a promotion that the company announced on their website or in a  release? That's a bunch of what you'd find if you Google'd me.

Nah, I've never really worked for that kind of company at that level.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 3:24:11 PM   
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I have to giggle.. that database already exists and it it called "credit history" and is used for things like a FICO score.

For about $45.00 you can get a report on a person from companies like TRW, Equifax, etc.

You will find that the interest rate you are offered on a mortgage goes down as your education level goes up.

Except that I'm not talking about getting a mortgage.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 4:01:53 PM   
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I have to giggle.. that database already exists and it it called "credit history" and is used for things like a FICO score.

For about $45.00 you can get a report on a person from companies like TRW, Equifax, etc.

You will find that the interest rate you are offered on a mortgage goes down as your education level goes up.

Except that I'm not talking about getting a mortgage.


If you have ever signed a background investigation release as part of a job application process; you have given permission to check your credit history. Even worse if you are going to work a job that requires a clearance.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 4:11:05 PM   
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I have to giggle.. that database already exists and it it called "credit history" and is used for things like a FICO score.

For about $45.00 you can get a report on a person from companies like TRW, Equifax, etc.

You will find that the interest rate you are offered on a mortgage goes down as your education level goes up.

Except that I'm not talking about getting a mortgage.


If you have ever signed a background investigation release as part of a job application process; you have given permission to check your credit history. Even worse if you are going to work a job that requires a clearance.

I may be mistaken but I think in Michigan background checks like that are limited to criminal background checks only. A credit check requires another document and another signature. But I can imagine that if the job requires a security clearance then they pretty much give you the paperwork enema.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 5:22:01 PM   
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I have to giggle.. that database already exists and it it called "credit history" and is used for things like a FICO score.

For about $45.00 you can get a report on a person from companies like TRW, Equifax, etc.

You will find that the interest rate you are offered on a mortgage goes down as your education level goes up.

Except that I'm not talking about getting a mortgage.


If you have ever signed a background investigation release as part of a job application process; you have given permission to check your credit history. Even worse if you are going to work a job that requires a clearance.

I may be mistaken but I think in Michigan background checks like that are limited to criminal background checks only. A credit check requires another document and another signature. But I can imagine that if the job requires a security clearance then they pretty much give you the paperwork enema.

No, idea about Michigan but some states have banned credit checks as part of employment applications.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 6:55:26 PM   
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Honestly, its a little late to start worrying about this shite.

So we should just accept it? Fuck that.


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...you Americans have been trained to give anyone that asks all sorts of info

The ones who don't protect their information are the ones who get fucked. I'm not really interested in being a part of that group, thank you very much.

just saying that the horse is out of the barn, its all been done and ya are gonna have one fuck of a time trying to put that genie back in the bottle.. and few people here want to rock the boat.. they just sorta shrug and yes, they accept it!.. that attitude makes me cringe!.. I simply don't understand that complacence.. But Americans are conditioned very young, it starts happening from the minute an American is born, they leave the hospital with a SSN gotten/applied for.. its a requirement here for a lot of shite.. in Canada you don't need to apply for a SIN until you earn income.. again, the SIN is just for the purpose of paying tax, here your SSN is required every time ya fart.. Its not unheard of for some kid to find out his ID has already been stolen before he/she even has his/her first job.. that is pretty f'n sad, really..

and sure, some people opt out, they don't have credit cards or credit bureau scores etc etc but those people are a small number.. Usually those people are the disenfranchised and its been involuntary, forced on them cuz of being poor, homeless, having a record, etc..

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 6:58:59 PM   
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No, idea about Michigan but some states have banned credit checks as part of employment applications.

jmo but they should be banned for insurance corps to do also.. those suckers will use any excuse to charge you more..

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 7:07:22 PM   
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If I want myself tracked, I'll arrange for that myself. Any other tracking done on me is considered hostile.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 7:19:25 PM   
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every job application I have ever seen already asks you what your pay was in previous/present jobs

I've been asked what I want to get paid but I can only think of one time I was asked what I had been paid. I declined to answer and told them I didn't discuss what I've made at other jobs. Granted, I didn't get an offer from that company but it didn't really matter since I'd found something else anyway.

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.. most people are sheeple and give a prospective employer all sorts of info and permission to access their credit report, access to their social media, etc etc etc..

The only time I've known about a prospective employer doing a credit check is when the job I applied for involved access to company funds (for purchasing equipment and services). I've never had anyone ask for access to a social media account. And if anyone ever did, I'd probably walk out of the interview.

I don't think I have ever seen a printed job application without that question on it.. I think the credit bureau check permission is also included in the fine print at the bottom above where you sign.. along with anything else they can throw in there that they think they can get away with.. Of course that doesn't mean that they will do a credit bureau search, they may or they may not.. just like they may or may not verify all the other info, etc on the application..

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 10:21:14 PM   
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No, idea about Michigan but some states have banned credit checks as part of employment applications.

And well that they should, imo. And now that you mention it, I think I'll look it up. I can understand it when the job involves handling company funds as was the case for me, but beyond that, I don't see any legitimate reason it needs to be included.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 10:23:10 PM   
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If I want myself tracked, I'll arrange for that myself. Any other tracking done on me is considered hostile.

...and should be handled with swift and bitter justice.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 10:27:56 PM   
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I don't think I have ever seen a printed job application without that question on it.. I think the credit bureau check permission is also included in the fine print at the bottom above where you sign.. along with anything else they can throw in there that they think they can get away with.. Of course that doesn't mean that they will do a credit bureau search, they may or they may not.. just like they may or may not verify all the other info, etc on the application..

You know, you do have the right to cross out some of those items on an application and refuse to answer them just like you do for racial questions. They just won't tell you that.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 10:38:05 PM   
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No, idea about Michigan but some states have banned credit checks as part of employment applications.

And well that they should, imo. And now that you mention it, I think I'll look it up. I can understand it when the job involves handling company funds as was the case for me, but beyond that, I don't see any legitimate reason it needs to be included.

I was quite pleased when Illinois did. My credit is not bad but why should an employer need to be checking it at all?

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 10:42:45 PM   
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And well that they should, imo. And now that you mention it, I think I'll look it up. I can understand it when the job involves handling company funds as was the case for me, but beyond that, I don't see any legitimate reason it needs to be included.




Actually, I can't even quite understand that. I don't know too many people who haven't owed a large sum of money, at one point or another.

Were I to be hiring someone who was going to be handling my company's funds, my concerns would be past employers and any embezzlement charges/convictions.








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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 10:47:38 PM   
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And well that they should, imo. And now that you mention it, I think I'll look it up. I can understand it when the job involves handling company funds as was the case for me, but beyond that, I don't see any legitimate reason it needs to be included.

Actually, I can't even quite understand that. I don't know too many people who haven't owed a large sum of money, at one point or another.

Were I to be hiring someone who was going to be handling my company's funds, my concerns would be past employers and any embezzlement charges/convictions.


Having debt isn't the issue as much as having a track record of handling your debt well. That's what the employer wants to see.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/7/2014 10:49:34 PM   
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I was quite pleased when Illinois did. My credit is not bad but why should an employer need to be checking it at all?

Agreed.

(Wow. Look at that, Ken. We agreed! I wasn't sure that was possible.)

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/8/2014 12:15:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		What kills me is that none of the mental midgets who think that requiring voter I.D.s is a 4th Amendment violation have shown up here to express their outrage.

Then there's the issue of racism. If these records will be collected for the state, that means the state will have access to them and will be able to determine whether someone is suitable for a state government job based on their work history. Now, we all know that this will do nothing but further hinder the economic growth of minority communities because they are currently unemployed at twice the rate of whites and have fewer numbers of people working in high paying jobs. "Oh, you worked at Churches Chicken for 15 years and want to work for the State holding a sign for 4 times any wage you've ever earned? Sorry buddy, not qualified!" If this database is available to the public, then it will make it virtually impossible for minorities with poor education to get better jobs in the private sector. Clearly such a government database is racist, or at the very least a tool for covert racism in the job market.

The Nazi's used to issue an item called an Albreitsbuch that contained your identity and work history. When you were asked for papers this was one of the documents you were expected to produce. To be fair they were pretty common in Europe at the time, but the 3rd Reich is particularly associated with them because they took the seemingly innocent idea of tracking work records and used those records to organize forced labor among the civilian population. Granted, there was almost zero unemployment in the 3rd Reich, but that was only achieved by killing off millions of people in clearly overt forms of racism through forced labor and Zyclon B showers. Hitler would have had a nerdgasm to have a database like this at his disposal...

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/8/2014 4:33:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's plenty. But what you label "mental midgetry" is the recognition that this information already readily exists, and so "outrage" at this point seems silly. Would opposition do?

It's like people who rail at the idea of smart licenses tracking them (which I also oppose), and yet carry voluntarily carry cell phones which also track their every move.


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