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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/8/2014 5:14:14 AM   
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Not such a bad idea in my eyes anyway.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/8/2014 9:47:04 AM   
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What kills me is that none of the mental midgets who think that requiring voter I.D.s is a 4th Amendment violation have shown up here to express their outrage.

If I had really wanted to throw fuel on that fire I would have mentioned at the beginning that this idea came from Indiana Republicans.


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Clearly such a government database is racist, or at the very least a tool for covert racism in the job market.

You know, Dave, I wasn't thinking about it from that angle but you may have a very valid point.


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Hitler would have had a nerdgasm to have a database like this at his disposal...




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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/8/2014 10:28:58 AM   
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I don't think I have ever seen a printed job application without that question on it.. I think the credit bureau check permission is also included in the fine print at the bottom above where you sign.. along with anything else they can throw in there that they think they can get away with.. Of course that doesn't mean that they will do a credit bureau search, they may or they may not.. just like they may or may not verify all the other info, etc on the application..

You know, you do have the right to cross out some of those items on an application and refuse to answer them just like you do for racial questions. They just won't tell you that.

dude, I haven't filled out a job application since my 20s!.. and I already know that but its not me that you need to tell this to, its your fellow Americans that need to stand up for their rights and stop being sheeple.. but of course, how much a person will sell out their rights depends on how desperate for a job they are.. and speaking about jobs, where I am from you need a solid reason to fire an employee once they are past their probation period.. you need to back that up with incidents and warnings in their file, you need to build a legit case for terminating them.. you need that should the Labour Relations Board get a complaint from a fired employee.. This whole "employed at will" crap the US has in many states is really inhumane, imo.. If a company has legit reasons for firing someone then yes, they should do that but too often the "reason" for being fired is not justified.. jmo..

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/8/2014 1:11:05 PM   
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You know, you do have the right to cross out some of those items on an application and refuse to answer them just like you do for racial questions. They just won't tell you that.

dude, I haven't filled out a job application since my 20s!..

Lucky you. (and I do mean that sincerely)


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...its not me that you need to tell this to, its your fellow Americans that need to stand up for their rights and stop being sheeple...

I've been trying. But look at some of the responses I've gotten on just this thread.

(sigh) Such a long way to go.


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This whole "employed at will" crap the US has in many states is really inhumane, imo.. If a company has legit reasons for firing someone then yes, they should do that but too often the "reason" for being fired is not justified.. jmo..

Yes and No...

In general, no company is going to fire someone "just because". It isn't in their best interest to hire people just to fire them for no reason. And sometimes, people are fired for legitimate reasons that have nothing to do with them but that doesn't prevent them from taking it personally. That being said, I've also begun to see instances where people are getting fired for objecting to unreasonable expectations of companies who now have the freedom to fire at will. I went through something like this a few years ago with a company in...guess where...wait for it...that's right...Indiana!

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/8/2014 2:23:07 PM   
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dude, I haven't filled out a job application since my 20s

Really? How have you pulled that off? Have you not changed jobs? Even in jobs where I was hired from my resume they always wanted an application for some reason.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/8/2014 3:42:09 PM   
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dude, I haven't filled out a job application since my 20s

Really? How have you pulled that off? Have you not changed jobs? Even in jobs where I was hired from my resume they always wanted an application for some reason.


well... maybe he is self employed

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/8/2014 4:09:48 PM   
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dude, I haven't filled out a job application since my 20s

Really? How have you pulled that off? Have you not changed jobs? Even in jobs where I was hired from my resume they always wanted an application for some reason.


well... maybe he is self employed

I've only filled in one job application in 22 years.
And, FWIW, I don't know of any job over here where you'd be hired on the strength of just a CV (resume to you).

And yes, maybe you are able to ignore or cross-out some of those questions on the application forms.
But do you seriously think you'd get offered the job if you did??


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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/8/2014 5:39:51 PM   
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dude, I haven't filled out a job application since my 20s

Really? How have you pulled that off? Have you not changed jobs? Even in jobs where I was hired from my resume they always wanted an application for some reason.

my own company...

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/8/2014 6:59:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Journeyman level mechanics in a dealer garage will make more than 100k a year...if that is the kind of rewarding you meant.

Not in the 80's. And certainly not in the area I'm living in.


I realy don't fucking care where you live. The dealership charges about $125 per hour to work on your car. The dealership is typically a 60/40 shop meaning the shop gets 60% of the hourly rate and he mechanic gets 40% or $50 @ hour. That is $100k @ yr. Auto mechanics is a different field than most hourly jobs in that every job on a car has what is called "book time" that is the amount of time that "the book" says it should take an average mechanic to do a given job. Some guys (as in any journeyman) can beat the book and log 60-80 hours a week in a regular 40 hour work week. You don't get time and a half for the overage but you do get the straight time of $50@ hr.
I really do not care to hear about your buddy who only make ten bux an hour twisting wrenches. I am talking about journey man level mechanics working in an agency garage.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/8/2014 7:02:02 PM   
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dude, I haven't filled out a job application since my 20s

Really? How have you pulled that off? Have you not changed jobs? Even in jobs where I was hired from my resume they always wanted an application for some reason.

my own company...



So you get special priviledges just because you sleep with your boss?

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/8/2014 10:52:26 PM   
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And here I was thinking we were just having a simple, friendly conversation. How silly of me.


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I realy don't fucking care where you live.

I really don't fucking care that you don't care.


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The dealership charges about $125 per hour to work on your car. The dealership is typically a 60/40 shop meaning the shop gets 60% of the hourly rate and he mechanic gets 40% or $50 @ hour. That is $100k @ yr. Auto mechanics is a different field than most hourly jobs in that every job on a car has what is called "book time" that is the amount of time that "the book" says it should take an average mechanic to do a given job. Some guys (as in any journeyman) can beat the book and log 60-80 hours a week in a regular 40 hour work week. You don't get time and a half for the overage but you do get the straight time of $50@ hr.

Yeah, in case you missed it earlier, I used to be a mechanic and I already know how they get paid. The other part you missed is that it was 30 years ago and unless you were a journeyman mechanic (actually, the term I think you're looking for is "master mechanic") working at a Mercedes-Benz dealership, the chances of you making $100k per year were pretty fucking slim. So this rant you're on is pretty much pointless.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/9/2014 9:06:14 AM   
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Why do HR departments require you do fill out a job application on THEIR form after a person has been hired and they already have all the information they require on their form?

Just one of those things in life that make you go "Hmmmm"

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/9/2014 9:40:21 AM   
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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/9/2014 11:08:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		As an upside, it will be harder for people to lie on their resumes and make it to CEO.

It'll also be harder for certain politicians to hide their past employment in drag bars.

As for Googling your name: My own name is uncommon and I still get information about no less than 10 women in 7 states with my name. I'm not included in any of those women, with the exception of a few G+ posts I forgot about ages ago.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/9/2014 12:19:58 PM   
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With very little research, we'd know who you were thinking about really when you lost your virginity.



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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/9/2014 12:21:36 PM   
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If you can condense a person's life of 30-50 years down to a single sheet of paper, what does that say of our humanity?



That we excel at sentence economy?

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/9/2014 1:42:11 PM   
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Ok... job applications....

Why do HR departments require you do fill out a job application on THEIR form after a person has been hired and they already have all the information they require on their form?

Just one of those things in life that make you go "Hmmmm"

I asked an HR manager about that once. It's all about you signing that declaration that everything is true. That way if it turns out that you lied about anything they can fire you. A lie on your resume is not so easy to fire over.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/9/2014 2:15:20 PM   
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Ok... job applications....

Why do HR departments require you do fill out a job application on THEIR form after a person has been hired and they already have all the information they require on their form?

Just one of those things in life that make you go "Hmmmm"

I asked an HR manager about that once. It's all about you signing that declaration that everything is true. That way if it turns out that you lied about anything they can fire you. A lie on your resume is not so easy to fire over.

I thought it had to do with the form corresponding to a particular software package they probably use for record keeping but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's to double-check your honesty. Some companies have some very strange reasons for doing things.

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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/9/2014 3:29:17 PM   
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As an upside, it will be harder for people to lie on their resumes and make it to CEO.

Gawd, if it were only that easy! There is something I don't fully understand about how some of these people get their jobs. Sometimes it seems as though your resume has to say, "Willing to fuck everybody at a moments notice to raise our stock price .000000000001 cents." Either that or, "I used to know this one guy before I got kicked out of Harvard and he runs a Fortune 500 company so I must be good enough."


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It'll also be harder for certain politicians to hide their past employment in drag bars.

And at least we wouldn't be surprised when the media reports that one of them took a picture of his winky and sent it to a teenage girl.


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As for Googling your name: My own name is uncommon and I still get information about no less than 10 women in 7 states with my name. I'm not included in any of those women, with the exception of a few G+ posts I forgot about ages ago.

If I were you, I consider yourself lucky.


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RE: Should They Track Your Education and Job History? - 5/9/2014 3:53:18 PM   
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If you can condense a person's life of 30-50 years down to a single sheet of paper, what does that say of our humanity?

That we excel at sentence economy?



I was going to say that they've probably had the same job for decades and that actually looks good to some employers...but your reply was much funnier.

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