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RE: Marc's Musings - 5/22/2014 5:03:41 AM   
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It might help if you could feel sorry for him. That his life has come down to being afraid of anyone who isn't exactly like him. That he feels bewildered and lost and needs to blame someone, anyone.


I do feel sorry for him, same as I would anyone who is so afraid of difference that they have to lash out. Still, he is an adult and (I presume) of average intelligence so I do not absolve him of responsibility for his choices.

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RE: Marc's Musings - 5/22/2014 5:45:19 AM   
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The translation of the masculine nod is: I am relatively certain that I could kick your ass and I know that you are equally certain that you could kick my ass but I'm peaceable and if you're peaceable then we'll just agree to disagree about who could kick who's ass and just keep walking.

When the approaching walker is female a whole different psychology ensues but I’ll have to talk about that later.


I grew up in Philly where cultural diversity and friendliness were a way of life. At 18, I worked in a job that made me a roadie, so I lived in most major cities in the U.S, for a few weeks at a time, and within 3 years, I'd seen enough to know that Philly was different. Philadelphians talk to each other... in line at stores, waiting at a crosswalk... everywhere. It's odd, and cause for concern, when someone doesn't. And, people will ask, "How are you doing?" or "Having a rough one?" I'm not saying that people in other places don't care, too, rather, Philadelphians initiate the contact. That's, the norm.

A few years later, I lived in Ireland. There, "the nod" is present, but it isn't masculine or feminine and it isn't like an American nod. I had to deconstruct to describe the Irish nod here. The chin dips, then with exuberance (as if outlining a smile shape with the chin), tilts up in the direction of the other person. I kind of wonder if it's a gesture of tipping a hat, sans the hat! They wonder when a person doesn't nod. Also, even while driving, raising one (nice) finger while keeping the hand on the steering wheel is common practice. In the U.S., people treat on-coming cars as things, uninhabited things.

In the Amazon, the tribal folk greet one another at full attention, shoulders squared, eyes in direct, prolonged contact with the stranger. There is no animus, no challenge and seemingly, no expectation of any sort. People... are not an automatic challenge to survival and are not treated as a threat, nor as a "blessing." It's a neutral, open and fully attentive response.

So, Philly, the U.S, Ireland and the Amazonian tribes... each have a different response to strangers. When reading the musings about the inner monologue expressed in the OP, I thought it was more about the power struggle and fears that one man experiences while walking. Also, that whole monologue is conscious brain stuff. The primal brain part is when the OP kept walking and didn't flee or fight.

The nature predator/prey example may have some merit, but I buy food in stores, so this may limit my ability to get emotionally engaged with animals getting food their way. I feel more affinity with wild animals as an athletic competitor. They compete for mating and for resources, based on strength of will to succeed, not on annihilation of the other.

So, I think that how we relate to others depends on who we believe others to be. The OP describes an experience unique to an individual and it is what it is. However, it's not an experience that is widespread, common or natural. Fear of strangers is taught. (I don't mean strangers who are doing something dangerous... just the presence of strangers.)

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RE: Marc's Musings - 5/23/2014 5:04:05 AM   
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However, it's not an experience that is widespread, common or natural.


I disagree. I am quite widespread, common and natural.

I am not talking about normal daily activities in which you are interacting with strangers at the grocery store or while riding a bus. In those situations the context itself goes along way to alleviating stranger wariness ("we're all here for the same purpose") but we reinforce that with certain behaviors and self imposed restrictions that we call being civilized. These things work . . . I don't fear attacks from strangers while trying to decide between peas and corn. It is the absence of context (two lone strangers approaching each other) that brings an increase in fear that I find fascinating. While the context may be uncommon I do not think the feelings are. They are primal.


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Fear of strangers is taught.


I agree but only to the extent that the teaching reinforces fear of the other. Teaching people to hate is teaching people to listen only to their Primitive Brain.

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RE: Marc's Musings - 5/23/2014 8:16:14 PM   
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I don't think xenophobia is a learned behavior. As children develop, they start being fine when passed around among family and friends. Sometime during the next two years this flips, and they are uncomfortable with new people.

We are hard wired for small groups, up to about 150 people. Our ancestors competed for resources. So fear of others is, alas, natural in us. It would be wonderful if we could undo the urge to recreate small groupings; no gangs, no cliques, etc. But it's not going to happen.

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RE: Marc's Musings - 5/26/2014 6:11:34 AM   
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I live! Sorta.

For those of you who know of my log on problems, that is my home computer and obviously it is an issue with my home computer (current hypotheses: it is the anti-virus software).

I am on my work computer now (my business, my office, my computer so I can kinda get away with it) and connected just fine. Still I am at work and there are lots of tourist customers coming in so I think I should probably do some actual work. Don't know when I'll be back but it is good to know that I can connect and I am working on the problem.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: Marc's Musings - 5/26/2014 1:08:05 PM   
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I find myself feeling slightly guilty and at fault for most any difference of opinion or conflict with another person. I used to think that was wrong, something I needed to correct. Now I wonder if it isn't just natural submission at work, instead of some flaw in my own character. Is there really anything wrong with the desire to submit, defer, and make peace in order to please others?

Another part of me wants to express myself as authentically as possible and rejects deference and peacemaking as a form of insincerity.

The two opposing desires create a significant internal conflict.

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RE: Marc's Musings - 5/26/2014 1:25:15 PM   
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I vote a 'Marc's Musings' once a week. CM's Regular Columnist!

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RE: Marc's Musings - 5/27/2014 5:25:14 AM   
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Bingo!

The trick was to turn off the Firewall (it was blocking the url because it is an http and NOT an https.

The question now is . . . Collarme worth it to me to keep my firewall down?

I'll have to think about it.

Maybe there is a way to allow just just the one address through. If anyone knows, I would be much obliged.

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RE: Marc's Musings - 6/4/2014 3:51:35 AM   
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Okay, so I just let things go for the weekend plus a few days and it seem the connection problem with collarspace has resolved itself. I'm not a tech person but I'm guessing that mean the site went from HTTP to HTTPS? Like I said, just guessing.

So, what was all the hub bub about again?

Just kidding. I'm still taking a wait and see attitude for now.



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RE: Marc's Musings - 6/4/2014 4:20:57 AM   
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Just saying . . .



Songs that are really cool to listen to on your mp3 player as you are walking by a misty field at sunrise while pleasantly buzzed on some good herb.


Imagine – John Lennon – You can’t help but feel a moment of hope for the world.


Down by the Park – Gary Numan – Creepy but in a fun, steampunk kind of way.


Like a rock – Bob Seger – A moment of reflection. I think this one only works if you’re over forty.


The Kiss – Trevor Jones – Just freaking cool. I can’t explain it any other way.


Eyes Without a Face – Billy Idol – Don’t ask me to explain why . . . it just is.


The Original Theme to Battlestar Galactica – Stu Phillips – another case of .it just is.'


The Logical Song – Supertramp – Actually, this song is cool anywhere, anytime, under and conditions.


Chariots of Fire – Vangelis Papathanassiou – Do I really have to explain?


And of course:

Thus Spake Zarathustra – Richard Strauss – Also Obvious. Actually, I don’t have this on my player yet. I guess I’ll have to order it up because you just know it will be freaking awesome.


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RE: Marc's Musings - 6/4/2014 4:39:52 AM   
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Songs that are really cool to listen to on your mp3 player as you are walking by a misty field at sunrise while pleasantly buzzed on some good herb.


Try this next time you're strolling by that misty field at sunrise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlprozGcs80

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RE: Marc's Musings - 6/4/2014 5:26:13 PM   
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metamorfosis - If I, as a Domme, offer a glass of water, am I serving or providing? As a host, am I managing guests or have I slipped into service, because I want my guests to be pleased? Answers may vary, but IMHO, the actions have nothing to do with submission or dominance. It's consideration.

So, if your deference is in service of peace, that's a form of cooperation.
If your deference is in service to your Dom/me, that's submission.
If your deference is in service to your own need to be liked, then it is self-serving.
If your deference is in service to your own need to be liked, AND it's a betrayal of your authenticity, then it serves no one. That's not submission.

The "pleaser" questions usually can be answered when this is considered:
YES = NO. When we say yes to something, we are simultaneously saying no to everything else. Some people fear conflict and won't say, "No" easily or without upset. (For this reason, when I ask a yes or no question, I state it like this... "Would you like to go to the movie tonight, or not?" I've found that if I suggest the negative response first, I am more likely to get an honest answer.)

I would not want my submissive to choose insincere placating over authentic expression of self. Otherwise, it's not a real connection, a real friendship or a real relationship.

Trusting that you can and will be loved, for exactly who you are, is the first step.

OP - I can't quite connect this post with your OP, but I already replied to your's earlier in the thread and this question seemed to need a response, too.
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I find myself feeling slightly guilty and at fault for most any difference of opinion or conflict with another person. I used to think that was wrong, something I needed to correct. Now I wonder if it isn't just natural submission at work, instead of some flaw in my own character. Is there really anything wrong with the desire to submit, defer, and make peace in order to please others?

Another part of me wants to express myself as authentically as possible and rejects deference and peacemaking as a form of insincerity.

The two opposing desires create a significant internal conflict.


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RE: Marc's Musings - 6/4/2014 5:50:27 PM   
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Songs that are really cool to listen to on your mp3 player as you are walking by a misty field at sunrise while pleasantly buzzed on some good herb.


Try this next time you're strolling by that misty field at sunrise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlprozGcs80

my first boyfriend was a musician type... he used to play that on his flute..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL_2xunRS9Q

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RE: Marc's Musings - 6/5/2014 1:17:24 AM   
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That's great! Ta, TJ. I hadn't heard that with a flute before.

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RE: Marc's Musings - 6/5/2014 4:01:16 AM   
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"Like a rock – Bob Seger – A moment of reflection. I think this one only works if you’re over forty."


Yeah.....I can understand that. Damn I feel old.

But as far as Supertramp....my choice for the "walking by a misty field at sunrise" song would be "Even in the Quietest Moments"

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RE: Marc's Musings - 6/8/2014 4:29:19 PM   
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Try this next time you're strolling by that misty field at sunrise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlprozGcs80


I think that might just fit the bill. I'll have to put it down on my New Music Wish List.


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RE: Marc's Musings - 6/8/2014 4:32:26 PM   
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Actually, my observation has been that anything by Supertramp pretty much goes with any situation at any time.

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RE: Marc's Musings - 6/8/2014 7:23:06 PM   
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Actually, my observation has been that anything by Supertramp pretty much goes with any situation at any time.



Touche.....agreed

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RE: Marc's Musings - 6/12/2014 4:57:46 AM   
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BIG TAXI!

Did I actually hear that?

Yes I did.

I was eating my eggs and watching the Today show. There was a story about how taxi drivers are upset about ride sharing apps.

Now, I drove taxi for six and a half years (back in the days before cell phones and GPS) so I can totally relate to taxi drivers fear of this new competition (however thinks it should be allowed - with appropriate safety regulations).

During the story, a one of the ride sharing companies released a statement, part of which reads:

"While Uber is focused on offering a safe, convenient and reliable transportation alternative, Big Taxi is choosing to spread misinformation and line their pockets."

Big taxi?

BIG taxi?

Well, I guess that settles that. They must, absolutely must, be evil. Because we all know that if you put the word "big" in front of something, that automatically make it evil.

For their arrogant presumption, or for their utter lack of imagination (I'm not sure what the case is, but it has to be at least one of the two, if not both), I'd like to punch the person who wrote that statement in the nose.

The decline of Western Civilization continues . . .

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RE: Marc's Musings - 6/12/2014 5:54:34 AM   
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GPS is definitely a major factor in the decline. I never trust those things, knowing how to get to places with shortcuts and new bypasses that the machines don't figure in.

My cell phone is a necessary, especially if I am traveling. I use it in Austin, having Mom check on me every day, check see if my SIL needs something from town, let my Mom use it when she travels to Arkansas in case she gets a flat or witness an accident. Just a basic flip with text capacity and voicemail. I don't use the texting (Lizard knows more about it than I do). I got it from Tracfone for $52 years ago and I refill the minutes every 90 days online for $20...60 minutes plus an additional 60, giving me plenty of time...I still got over 1700 minutes on it.

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