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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 12:11:25 PM   
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you would have a very poor time of it. I have a gun, you are running at me from 25 feet away with a knife. I have to shoot you in the foot.

LOLOLOL. Yeah. No.

No wonder you guys need these 30 and 50 round extended clips to shoot a burglar in your home. If you are as rich as Bill Gates your bedroom is maybe 16' across.

25 feet is twice the size of the average bedroom.



I don't own anything with that kind of capacity. And I don't miss. That is part of the reason I quit hunting, no challenge. My preferred weapon for home defense is a coach gun, two rounds, incase they brought a friend.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 12:18:42 PM   
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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 12:25:58 PM   
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STOP!

Dont fucking ruin it for me! shut up! I am waiting for him to show me he put his money where his feltch trap is, this is like super easy money here! so stfu and dont ruin it for me!

More chin music.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 12:27:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		men are as reluctant to shoot other men in the penis as they are their own mr. winkey. but it would fix this up right quick, less than 2 posts and one of them would be by a woman. Its a man thing, read the thread; you still won't understand. let it go..............

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 12:32:47 PM   
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This is one of those times when I'm tempted to go back and read the entire thread, to try and figure out what the hell the basis of reasoning is behind the whole discussion on shooting feet stems from.

Pretty simple hon.
The chairborn rangers feel that it is necessary to kill the person that they fear is going to punk them for their lunch money. My opinion is that if I shoot them in the foot they will change their mind.
The response of the chairborn rangers is that shooting someone in the foot while they are running towards you is not possible. That I am an asshole for suggesting such a thing, that I don't have a pistol,that I can't shoot etc. The rest of the 20 odd pages is just so much chin music.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 12:38:40 PM   
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I don't own anything with that kind of capacity. And I don't miss. That is part of the reason I quit hunting, no challenge. My preferred weapon for home defense is a coach gun, two rounds, incase they brought a friend.

You have told us that you live in a "bad" neighborhood. That you are too poor to move. That if it were not for hillarys husband hooking you up with a pension from being an e5 for your less than 20 year stint in the air farce you would be on welfare.
With that being said what the phoque do you have that someone would break into your crib to steal?

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 12:41:41 PM   
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I never said I would be charging, I said I would shoot him in the chest, he would try to shoot me in the foot. Worst case would be I have a .22 loged in my work boot, he would have a .45 that just missed his left shirt pocket.
He is dead, I may need new boots.

Another moron who thinks that a .22 wont penetrate your boot

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 12:47:50 PM   
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If I am your attacker without a gun. I would slit your throat before you could, by your rules, justify taking action. Good thing I avoid violence.
By the way, does that mean that you carry two guns, one for each of me.

You are 75' away moving at about 9' per second and you think you cannot be hit in that 8 second interval?

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 12:49:26 PM   
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Except of course that you will be aiming at a spot where his foot has just moved from. And while you are trying to hit my foot you will be dead.
Any self defense expert, police, military, or civilian will tell you that.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 12:53:03 PM   
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This is one of those times when I'm tempted to go back and read the entire thread, to try and figure out what the hell the basis of reasoning is behind the whole discussion on shooting feet stems from.


It started on another thread. Thompson moved it over here.
The beginning of this "discussion" was Thompson making the claim that shooting an attacker in the foot was as effective in stopping him as shooting for center mass. This included both the hit probability and the decisiveness of the hit.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 12:56:01 PM   
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I never said I would be charging, I said I would shoot him in the chest, he would try to shoot me in the foot. Worst case would be I have a .22 loged in my work boot, he would have a .45 that just missed his left shirt pocket.
He is dead, I may need new boots.

Another moron who thinks that a .22 wont penetrate your boot


I've seen .22s stoped by less. And even if it did, I am alive, he isn't.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 12:56:18 PM   
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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 1:00:23 PM   
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If I am your attacker without a gun. I would slit your throat before you could, by your rules, justify taking action. Good thing I avoid violence.
By the way, does that mean that you carry two guns, one for each of me.

You are 75' away moving at about 9' per second and you think you cannot be hit in that 8 second interval?

Fortunately I, unlike the people seem to know, am not stupid enough to annouce my intentions and start charging from 75' away. And it doesn't apply to me anyway since I would always have my own firearm. 75' is a chip shot with a handgun aiming for center mass.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 1:00:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've always been taught that if you aim a gun at a living target, you shoot to kill. Which is why I don't have my rifles for home defense, and they are locked with the ammo locked away separately. I've no desire to ever kill a living human being.

Kay has a different philosophy. I told her I thought someone was in the basement and she asked, "Should I load the rifle?"


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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 1:02:15 PM   
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Men are weird.

Yes, so are women,
Everyone is weird on some level.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 1:03:37 PM   
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Men are weird.

Chairborn rangers like to talk as if they were "dirty harry" or "rambo". I go to places like compton and east l.a. (I am very white) and have never had any trouble with anyone trying to punk me for my lunch money. No I am not a "tough" guy... the world just is not as dangerous as the chairborn rangers would have us believe it is. Way too much time in front of the tube and not enough time spent living thier life.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 1:05:25 PM   
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Men are weird.

Yes, so are women,
Everyone is weird on some level.


Normal is just what someone is, until you get to know them

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 1:06:44 PM   
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I've always been taught that if you aim a gun at a living target, you shoot to kill. Which is why I don't have my rifles for home defense, and they are locked with the ammo locked away separately. I've no desire to ever kill a living human being.

Kay has a different philosophy. I told her I thought someone was in the basement and she asked, "Should I load the rifle?"



I also have no desire to kill another human being, or to harm them for that matter. Be willing is not the same as wanting to. BTW a rifle is the last choice for home defense. Hard to use in a hallway or any relativly confined space and two much penetration. .22's are different usually light, small, and with little penetration.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 1:15:08 PM   
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It started on another thread. Thompson moved it over here.
The beginning of this "discussion" was Thompson making the claim that shooting an attacker in the foot was as effective in stopping him as shooting for center mass. This included both the hit probability and the decisiveness of the hit.

There you go lying again. Why do you make shit up to just bolster your position? Why do you feel it is necessary to lie when all of the post are here for anyone to read. You really should think about your inability to tell the truth. It is after all one of the major halmarks of a man while lying is the hallmark of punkassmotherfuckers every where.

I said that a com shot is easy to make and effective at limiting the number of witnesses. I said that shooting the attacker in the foot would be a less than lethal way to stop him. I went on to point out that if one were mistaken about the "attackers" motive that a dead body would land the shooter in prison for a long time while a less than lethal shot might lead to a much shorter stay in jail and one less dead person.
Now shut your phoquing lying mouth until you appologize.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/6/2016 1:23:02 PM   
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Fortunately I, unlike the people seem to know, am not stupid enough to annouce my intentions and start charging from 75' away.

The fact that you are a lying scumbag with no principles is not the issue. We were discussing a singular sceenario of an attacker running at you from 75' away and whether a less than lethal approach to the situation would be effective.

And it doesn't apply to me anyway since I would always have my own firearm. 75' is a chip shot with a handgun aiming for center mass.

Duuuuhhhhh no one has disputed that. I have pointed out that the bulls eye on a 25 yard pistol target is 1.51" in diameter...just about the size of a big toe on your foot...which you and the rest of the chairborn rangers claim that since you can't hit that target neither can I.


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