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bounty44 -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (5/1/2016 5:13:05 AM)
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ORIGINAL: ifmaz
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ORIGINAL: Awareness
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Bad guys look for weakness to attack. When they can't look out and predict who can fight back, they turn to burglary and car theft. No, burglars just want your fucking TV. They'd prefer to steal your shit when you were out. Actually confronting a homeowner is not something they're interested in.
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Someone ought to inform the person that broke into Kyle Burger's house, or the person that broke into an elderly couple's home and stabbed the husband.
But mostly you're correct: robbers don't want to confront homeowners because the robbers are scared of being shot by the homeowners.
ive posted this before, and it seems to bear repeating:
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and that all Men may be restrained from invading others Rights, and from doing hurt to one another, and the Law of Nature be observed, which willeth the Peace and Preservation of all Mankind the Execution of the Law of Nature in in that State, put into every Mans hands, whereby every one has a right to punish the transgressors of that Law to such a Degree, as may hinder its violation...
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...it being reasonable to and just I should have a Right to destroy that which threatens me with Destruction. for, by the Fundamental Law of Nature, Man being to be preserved , as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the Innocent is to be preferred: And one may destroy a Man who makes War upon him, or has discovered an Enmity to his being, for the same Reason, that he may kill a Wolf or a Lyon; because, such Men are not under the ties of the Common Law of Reason, and so may be treated as Beasts of Prey, those dangerous and noxious Creatures, that will be sure to destroy him, whenever he falls into their Power.
and hence it is, that he who attempts to get another Man into his Absolute Power, does thereby put himself into a State of War with him; it being to be understood as a Declaration of a Design upon his Life. for I have reason to concluded, that he who would get me into his Power without my consent, would use me as he pleased, when he had got me there, and destroy me too when he had a fancy to it...
this makes it Lawful for a Man to kill a Thief, who has not in in the least hurt him, nor declared any design upon his Life, any farther then by the use of Force, so to get him in his Power, as to take away his Money, or what he pleases from him: because using force, where he has no Right, to get me into his Power, let his pretence be what it will, I have no reason to suppose that he, who would take away my Liberty, would not when he had me in his Power, take away every thing else. and therefore it is Lawful for me to treat him, as one who has put himself into a State of War with me, i.e. kill him if I can; for to that hazard does he justly expose himself, whoever introduces a State of War, and is aggressor in it
john locke's 2nd treatise of government, chapter 2, section 7, 1-6 and chapter 3, section 16, 8-18; section 17, 1-9; section 18, 1-12.
to awareness' absurd premise, yeah, home/car invasions never into rapes, beatings and murders? or alternatively, we should just let people have the stuff they want, because, well that's not a threat to the victim in the future at all is it, not to mention the fabric of society.
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