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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 3:25:14 AM   
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However, making sure the other person is dead is kind of a guarantee.

It is also called murder.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 3:47:21 AM   
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However, making sure the other person is dead is kind of a guarantee.

It is also called murder.

I thought the thread was about self defense?


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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 4:16:02 AM   
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However, making sure the other person is dead is kind of a guarantee.

It is also called murder.

I thought the thread was about self defense?


The law is quite specific that you may use only as much force as is necesary to protect yourself. Mikey's and your contention seems to be that killing is the only way to ensure that you are protected. The courts disagree with that premise.
It would cause me more grief than you can imagine if you were to be imprisoned.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 7:42:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		The law is somewhat murky over here and the definition/use of reasonable force.

I am led to believe in America you can blow someone brains out willy nilly and ask questions later....This include a drunk person knocking at your door, someone escaping an assault and in need of help, and so on....ooo is that what's called home invasion.

I have no idea what a black man is, nor a white man but if your skin tone is darker than mine...oh wait they just shoot you dead...no pistol whipping and 40 tazerings needed - ah that's not beating someone to death in the name of self defence.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 10:57:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Come on up bama... feel free to walk the streets of St. Louis at night... hell in the day too... then tell me again how these guns laws stop crime.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 11:07:22 AM   
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If some crazy fucker comes at me with an axe I'll fire a warning shot into the ground immediately after he takes a warning swing into the ground.

Do you just open your mouth to change feet?

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 3:26:04 PM   
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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 3:35:48 PM   
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Come on up bama... feel free to walk the streets of St. Louis at night... hell in the day too... then tell me again how these guns laws stop crime.

Butch

The ones you have don't stop them do they?
As I said, St Louis is and always has been a cesspool.
You can't blame crime on laws that haven't even passed.
That said E St Louis is and always has been even worse.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 3:39:38 PM   
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As usual, you're mistaken,

I do not believe you were unaware of who resurected this thread...don't pout.

but that's hardly a surprise as that applies to the majority of your posts.

Then you should be able to point us to the plethora of factual inaccuracies I have posted.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 5:19:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		it depends on circumstances. what self defense allows is to incapacitate the one that attacked you. sometimes a punch, a kick or a throw is enough. sometimes the only way to prevent the agressor from attacking you again is to kill him.

I must also mention that while I'm against the use of violence I'm not so stupid as to let somebody harm me or those dear to me just because it can't be prevented without use of violence.

I also believe that killing somebody because he attacked somebody dear to me is showing undeserved mercy. it's more fitting to cripple him so he can't harm anybody again. he will survive to regret trying to harm what's mine.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 5:43:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		What laws?... How about this... we let you go in and clean the place out... or build a fence around the city... give everyone a gun...even the kids and especially all the school kids... new Missouri bill for kids 19 and up...then let them fight it out...and send the survivors to Alabama.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 7:27:20 PM   
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it depends on circumstances. what self defense allows is to incapacitate the one that attacked you. sometimes a punch, a kick or a throw is enough. sometimes the only way to prevent the agressor from attacking you again is to kill him.

I must also mention that while I'm against the use of violence I'm not so stupid as to let somebody harm me or those dear to me just because it can't be prevented without use of violence.

I also believe that killing somebody because he attacked somebody dear to me is showing undeserved mercy. it's more fitting to cripple him so he can't harm anybody again. he will survive to regret trying to harm what's mine.

Agreed...There is also the possibility that I pointed out earlier(post#74), that there is a mistake on the part of the person who percieves they are being attacked. If you wound the person in question you can make restitution if you kill them it is prison for the shooter.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 8:19:56 PM   
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The law is quite specific that you may use only as much force as is necesary to protect yourself. Mikey's and your contention seems to be that killing is the only way to ensure that you are protected. The courts disagree with that premise.
It would cause me more grief than you can imagine if you were to be imprisoned.

While I greatly appreciate your concern, I honestly think I've got better odds than most depending on who I shot. The site (meaning CM/CS) doesn't allow me to post about the matter.



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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 8:25:53 PM   
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How about we take it back to the proper thread?



Why are you resurrecting a 2014 thread to complain about a wholly different thread?



That thread was derailed by this post #98 in the guns flowing into mexico" thread by imfmaz..


So now that we're in this thread, how about showing us your shooting skills?


Now that we are why don't you show us just what I bragged about loudmouth.

Or shoud I post on a different thread?

I think you should put up or shut up.



I don't recall me bragging about my shooting abilities but I do recall you saying at 25 yards you could specify which toe you'd hit, loudmouth. We have yet to see any evidence of you shooting a firearm and being able to hit a moving, foot-sized target at 25 yards, let alone specifying which toe you'd be hitting at that distance.

You could always come clean and say you were wrong. You can even use the terms "misspoke" or "misremembered".

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 8:55:37 PM   
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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 9:00:11 PM   
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If some crazy fucker comes at me with an axe I'll fire a warning shot into the ground immediately after he takes a warning swing into the ground.

Do you just open your mouth to change feet?



Please, allow me to apologise.

I'm really, really sorry that you're stupid.

PS: When you're regaling us with what "the law" allows you should specify which "law" in what jurisdiction you're referring to. They're not all the same. In fact, some of them are different.



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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 10:14:29 PM   
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What laws?... How about this... we let you go in and clean the place out... or build a fence around the city... give everyone a gun...even the kids and especially all the school kids... new Missouri bill for kids 19 and up...then let them fight it out...and send the survivors to Alabama.

Butch

Tell you what when you go to criticize my positions criticize ones I have actually taken. I never in any way advocated giving guns to kids.
I have advocated teaching them gun safety but that is not the same thing at all.
As for a fence around the city you are aware that NYC was played by ST Louis because it was the only place they could find that was filthy enough. You already have laws, or didn't you know that.
Now you say if the new laws are passed they will create the situation you already have.
The people you have helped vote in created that mess, it's your problem you fix it.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 10:34:51 PM   
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How about we take it back to the proper thread?


So now that we're in this thread, how about showing us your shooting skills?


Now that we are why don't you show us just what I bragged about loudmouth.

I don't recall me bragging about my shooting

Try reading for comprehension junior. I asked you to show us what I braged about loudmouth.

abilities but I do recall you saying at 25 yards you could specify which toe you'd hit, loudmouth. We have yet to see any evidence of you shooting a firearm and being able to hit a moving, foot-sized target at 25 yards, let alone specifying which toe you'd be hitting at that distance.


I believe it is you who brought up the 25 yard distance. My original post #68 of this thread said:

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Yes, it IS possible. But trying to hit a moving arm or leg is considerably more difficult than hitting center mass.


Why is this so? Is this so because that is the only way this bloodthirsty sceene plays out?It seems that the sceene is always the same "one barely has time to get their roscoe out and in haste and pannic puts five out of five inthe center of body mass. That is the fucking movies. Situations do not happen like that in real life.




The person is within 10 feet of you and you cannot hit them in the foot but you can hit "center of mass"???why the fuck do you have a gun???
If one has a gun for self defense then it would make sense that one would practice and be able to hit what one aims at. Otherwise we just have some chairborn ranger dreaming of rambo.


Now please do not misunderstand me. I am quite capable of hitting a foot at 25 yards but this begs the question why did you lie about what I said in the first place?. I said 10' not 25 yards...why the lie?



You could always come clean and say you were wrong. You can even use the terms "misspoke" or "misremembered".

I have not misspoke nor misremembered...I am just curious why you would lie about something so easy to prove?


We have yet to see any evidence of you shooting a firearm and being able to hit a moving, foot-sized target at 25 yards, let alone specifying which toe you'd be hitting at that distance.

Yes you have laid down the challange. You have offered me $100 to come to arizona to show you my shooting skills.
Why do you feel I would do your bidding for any amount of money let alone a chicken shit hundred bux? That would not pay a nights lodging let alone food or travel.
You have not offered your name address or phone number. Why would I identify myself to you when you wont identify yourself to me.
When you speak of your gun club you speak of the expensive cars in the parking lot, the proxmity of the bar and wheather your gucci iwb holster might chafe your tummy. The gun ranges I frequent the talk is usually about chamber prssure, muzzle velocity and cross winds downrange. You are a little boy sitting in his mommy's basement playing on the computer acting like some chairborn ranger.
Now if you want to identify yourself. Make your foot the target, sign a waiver prepared by my lawyer and make the payday $25,000 I will be glad to make good on my original statement.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 10:49:53 PM   
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it depends on circumstances. what self defense allows is to incapacitate the one that attacked you. sometimes a punch, a kick or a throw is enough. sometimes the only way to prevent the agressor from attacking you again is to kill him.

I must also mention that while I'm against the use of violence I'm not so stupid as to let somebody harm me or those dear to me just because it can't be prevented without use of violence.

I also believe that killing somebody because he attacked somebody dear to me is showing undeserved mercy. it's more fitting to cripple him so he can't harm anybody again. he will survive to regret trying to harm what's mine.

Of course it depends on circumstances. This thread was started 2 years ago in response to a comment that some people should have taken a mans firearm from him and beaten him to death, not subdued him but beaten him to death. My point was that if six people subdue a person and proceed to beat him to death they have gone far past self defense.
Reason has to come into play in these situations, and for many it does not.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 10:59:47 PM   
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I do not believe you were unaware of who resurected this thread...don't pout.

What you believe is irrelevant.

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Then you should be able to point us to the plethora of factual inaccuracies I have posted.

You were three for three on misses in the post I replied to. If you want me to point out more, you're going to have to pay me. You've used up your freebies.

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"Me thinks the lady doth protest too much"[:)

I would guess women protesting in your presence is a common occurrence for you.

Oh, and learn to quote, moron.

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