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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
I think you're missing the point here...
The two central issues of this thread:
1 ) There is no evidence that supports the 'massive voter fraud problem' in America that Republican/Tea Party state
2 ) A voter ID law violates my 4th amendment right
I've been very clear on both of these. Including doing the research (aka simple google searches) that showed DS's 'evidence' to be bogus. Not one person so far has countered either central point here.
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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
You seem to be under the impression that registering to vote requires proof that a person is eligable to vote, but that is simply not true. A person can register with nothing more than a utility bill in many states. Also, in many states you only need to establish your identity the first time you register in that state, and registration can be done by mail thereafter. There is, in fact, no federal requirement that forces states to even check your I.D., let alone your citizenship status, and many choose not to. That means that lots and lots of people who can simply manage to get their electricity turned on can vote. That leads to a whole other set of issues, because it's not that difficult to get your electricity turned on even if you're a non-citizen.
Do you not bother to read the article?
"Do I need to show proof of identification when I vote if I registered using the National Form?
If you are voting for the first time in your state and are registering by mail, Federal law may require you to show proof of identification the first time you vote. This proof of identification includes the following (or if voting by mail, a COPY of the following):
•A current and valid photo identification; OR
•A current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck or government document that shows your name and address.
Federal law does not require you to show proof of identification at the polling place or when voting by mail if (1) you provided COPIES of the above with your National Mail Voter Registration Form; (2) your voter registration form has been verified by an election official; or (3) you are entitled by federal law to vote by absentee ballot. Please note that individual states may have additional voter identification requirements. "
When you register to vote, a person must accomplish two things: 1 ) They are a US Citizen, 2 ) Show proof of residence. Federal law does not require you to show proof in identification at the polling place because...ITS A VIOLATION OF THE 4TH AMENDMENT....
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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
Requiring a photo I.D. is no guarantee that the people casting votes during elections are actually legally entitled to vote, but it's a step in the right direction. You may not be aware, but there's a little problem worldwide known as identity theft. Although the FBI doesn't mention voting specifically, it does go into detail about how people use fake I.D.s to get real I.D.s, steal benefits from taxpayers, establish themselves illegally so they can get jobs and homes. I find it unlikely that very many criminal immigrants would get fake I.D.s specifically to vote, but after establishing themselves in this country through the use of fake I.D.s they could very easily register and vote.
I do believe I pointed out earlier how easily photo ID's get faked for college students to drink underage, right? Which is why area bartenders in Boston, MA obtain additional training to spot the fakes from the genuine articles? And that poll workers outside of these 'college towns' would likely not have such training, thus making it more possible for such IDs to pass by without scrutiny. So why create a whole division of rules/laws that do nothing to protect the vote, when that is present?
The best way to fight voter fraud is to work in the community. Whether that is actual professional work, volunteering, or being a good neighbor. In the first instance, people can recognize you from your business persona. When you volunteer for community organizations, you establish roots with people in that area. So when you show up at the polling place, its not just 'doing the vote' but 'stay and chat with others on all sorts of things outside of politics'. Or just throw a neighborhood party, like a pool party in the summer or new years celebration in the winter. This nation has gotten to the point were we don't know the people five houses down on either side of the road!
Since it requires someone else to make the accusation of wrong doing in this country. You know, as I do, that a person is innocent until proven guilty; that a person is not required to prove their are innocent first.
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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
Requiring a valid photo I.D. at the polls means that at some point every voter has at least provided some sort of paperwork establishing their citizenship to someone, whether that's to the DMV, the Post Office, or the military before being allowed to vote. Even though there is no guarantee that their paperwork is actually real, at least it will have been seen by someone who should have a pretty good idea of it's validity.
An there in lies the problem. You desire to remove people's rights for some security. Voter fraud has never been a problem in this nation for its state and federal elections. In fact it was never an issue until political analysts started to understand not just 'who' votes' by 'why' they vote. And it was not just generational viewpoints, but age groups and locations. It was determine by the GOP/TP to gain more seats in Congress and the White House, was to undermine people's ability to vote Democrat. Through this fascinating and indepth knowledge of political science, they found that the elderly, students, and poor/homeless tend to vote Democrat in heavy numbers. These groups typically do not have photo IDs for reasons I explained previously. So it shouldn't take a rocket science to understand the obvious motive of the GOP/TP pushing for voter photo ID laws in America. The question is, who here can be intellectually honest about it?
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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
Furthermore, many voter registration cards are just a piece of card stock with someones basic information typed on it. They aren't considered valid I.D. in most places, and are actually easy enough to fake on a home computer that even distributing them is idiotic.
The issue of disturbing them in this day and age seems silly; but to remove that law (which I suspect) in those states requires the state legislative body. I don't have a voter ID card. Never had none, never needed one. I am who I state I am, and I live where I state I live. And if someone challenged that, I explained previously as well, the process of determining that which would not run the polling location foul with federal law (i.e. the 4th and 5gh amendments specifically).
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