joether
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Voter Fraud does not happen ANYWHERE remotely to the levels you have shown in your 'sources', as I showed with the FACTS!
Interestingly enough, Joether, you have just accepted that voter fraud does happen, just not to a great extent. Therein lies the proof of my assertion. Voter fraud doesn't happen, until it does.
Lets get this straight.....
You say Voter Fraud takes place at an alarming right. Your 'argument' was a series of places on the web stating that voter fraud had taken place in the tens of thousands. Therefore, Voter IDs are justified.
I have stated that Voter Fraud has taken place, yet on a vastly small scale as to be irrelevant to the final outcome of those races. I bring forth EVIDENCE that supports my position. Evidence from many sources not just right-wing, heavily media bias, conservative sites. Sites were 'journalism' is hated along with the idea of the Liberalis Media (i.e. Latin for 'Free Press'...or....'Liberal Media'). In the opening argument I pointed out one such site that stated since year 2000, that there were 2,068 REPORTED cases of Voter Fraud. Of those, only a mere 10 were ACTUAL cases. All of them in different states. You and all those in favor of Voter IDs, would have me believe that less then a dozen fraudulent votes would have effected the House, Senate, and Presidential races? The last Presidential race was decided by a span of a few....MILLION...votes.
That aside, you have not brought forth an argument to counter the OTHER argument I made. That I do not have to show my Photo ID because I'm protected under the 4th amendment against unreasonable search and seizer of my person, place, property, etc,.....UNLESSS....there was probable cause of wrong doing. Of course, when one enters a polling place, they are not immediately accused of wrong doing, are they? No, that would be insane. One can state who they are and where they live. Its up to (as I stated before) other individual(s) to come forth and make an accusation of falsehood. In the united States, DS, a person is considered....INNOCENT....until proven....GUILTY. In your fantasy land, people are guilty and must prove their innocence; its a good thing reality is what it is in this case. I consider being asked/told to prove my innocence a violation of the 4th amendment. And if I was actually doing something wrong, DS? I have the protection of the 5th amendment (that would be the amendment that comes after the 4th if your having trouble here....).
The third argument is WHO is bring such laws forth, and WHY they are doing it. It has nothing to do with a good and just system of government, but on the other hand, to place limits, constraints, and intimidation on US Citizens. Ironically, those pushing these laws into existence are the very same that bitch about 'Limited Government' on all the....OTHER....threads we have seen on this forum and nation.
My side of the argument has actual and well defined if not easily verifiable evidence; yours is a total fantasy! Voter ID laws will be challenged in courts across the land with time. It'll be a re-run of the anti-gay marriage laws that are being overturned right now.
How much money has been spent creating, establishing, maintaining and ultimately defending a losing argument (just like anti gay marriage laws), DS? Because the same folks that BITCH about wasteful government spending, are WASTING GOVERMENT SPENDING on stupid laws that will be eventually thrown out. Or is it that 'fiscal conservatives' can spend high on the hog, but if anyone else does its just WRONG?
Yeah, your in favor of 'Limited Government' like your tagline states. And I'm the Emporer of Mankind (before the Horus Heresy)!
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