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ORIGINAL: ChristheBoy
I think you are all a bunch of idiots those that want to vote without ID. 4th and 5th amendment protect you from unlawful search and seizures. Asking someone to identify themselves in order to participate in the most important part of a democracy, i.e. the voting, is not a search or a seizure.
I consider it an unlawful search. Under the 1st amendment, I am allowed to argue it in court! And something like this, I'll take it right up to the US Supreme Court!
I have NEVER shown ID to vote, and not going to start now because some ding-bat idiot conservative/libertarians cant accept that the level of voter fraud in the US is so tiny as to not make even a minimal difference in the final vote.
Prove to me that voter fraud is taking place at even 0.01% of the time. Since 2000, there have been 2068 cases of possible voter fraud. After the research, only 10 cases were confirmed. Each in different states. How many state and federal elections were decided by one vote? That doesn't happen very often....like....once in a Halley's Comet visit!
How many Presidential Elections for the Executive Branch have been decided on just one vote in the last twelve years? None!
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ORIGINAL: ChristheBoy
You can not rent a video from the video store without ID to protect both the store from theft and the client from being charged for items stolen under his account. Like if I Chris, walked into a video store and said ''hi I'm bob, I want to rent this video'', bob would later be charged for a non returned video. I can just imagine one of you non-ID nuts having an insane fit if you went to vote and the person told you 'according to our records you voted an hour ago. You say who was he, how come you let him vote in my place, and they'd answer ''well he said he was you''
When I rented from BlockBuster Video, I used my BlockBuster card. Got videos all the time without once showing a photo ID. All the video stores still in existence around here, use a ID card that does not show someone's photo ID on it. The reason for that, is most use Comcast and/or Netflix.
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ORIGINAL: ChristheBoy
But yes I guess turning the issue into a republican versus Democrat issue is more important than protecting your ownership of your own personal vote.
Do you even understand why its a 'Republican' verse 'Democrat' issue?
For starters, when many people vote, Democrats win. When few people vote, Republicans win. What does the Republicans gain by having easy access to the polls? In addition, most senior citizens in this nation do not have birth certificates; so obtaining those state IDs and/or drivers licenses is a REAL hurdle. Where does the homeless/poor lock their birth certificates, let alone their photo IDs up? These are people that tend to vote Democrat in large numbers. The evidence shows it election after election. Republicans and Democrats know this. So if Republicans can manufacture ways to place hurdles and barriers to voting by those 18+ years of age....what do they get for their efforts?
Shouldn't take you longer then five seconds....
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ORIGINAL: ChristheBoy
By the way, requesting ID for voting, is not searching or seizing you (for you paranoid idiots) it is about making sure your vote is protected and held for YOU to make that X in front of your choice, and making sure no one else usurps YOUR right to vote.
Prove to me my vote has been "...usurped..."? You have to give the burden of evidence here. Good Luck!
Did you even bother to read the 4th amendment? Its not paranoia, its THE LAW. Go ask a defense lawyer to explain probable cause to you. It will no doubtfully be HIGHLY informative. Voter ID is as much a violation of the 4th amendment as DOMA is violation of gay people's civil rights. Last I checked, courts across the nation are destroying anti-gay marriage laws put in place years ago at a quick pace. On a side note, how much US Taxpayer money has been used creating those anti-gay marriage laws, maintaining them, and defending them in court actions? And this comes from all those 'fiscal conservatives' that hate wasting taxpayer money on stupid shit....
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ORIGINAL: ChristheBoy
Someone made a remark that only a few thousand issues ever really did arise over the entire nation so why bother. Well if you believe that protecting the integrity of a video store rental is more important than the integrity of the democratic process, well I guess that's your right. The only people wishing to usher in the boogeyman to be feared upon are the same folks that dish out every other moment of fear in America: the GOP/TP. When there is a mass shooting, which political party tells its members to buy up guns & ammo.....or else? Go ahead, say its the Democrats.....
The vote is safe. The penalties for being caught tampering with the vote are so severe that there is little to no profit in the crime. In every state, commonwealth, territory, and district, including the federal level itself!
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