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PeonForHer -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (5/25/2014 5:19:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2 I agree ^, I thought he looked just fine. If he couldn't get a single date in his brief adult life with that acceptable appearance, he must have really given off a bad vibe. He had Asperger's. God, as a bloke in his early twenties once, I was bitter and resentful enough. If I'd had that as well, I might have been in his place.

PeonForHer -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (5/25/2014 5:21:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr As an ugly mother-fucker (probably a "-1" to most), I have to say that I find the whole idea of assigning a numerical value to a human being quite enlightening. Stop complaining, DS. As a Captain Picard lookalike, you cut more of a dash than most blokes. You should learn to swagger with it. [;)]

Spiritedsub2 -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (5/25/2014 5:44:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Drive-by knifings are tricky, I'll agree, Muse (maybe with a machete or sword, and an enthusiastic partner), but running them down with the car works just fine. Perhaps it's a sign of his mental illness that this didn't occur to him. Though it lacks the same je ne sais quoi as a rain of bullets. One article I read said he DID try running some people down.

TheHeretic -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (5/25/2014 6:24:36 PM)
FR Another point of disagreement I have with the thread title comes to mind - it lumps the killer right in with his victims. I realize it happens a lot, but I don't like the practice. It should be "6 decent lives lost."

TheHeretic -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (5/25/2014 6:29:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2 One article I read said he DID try running some people down. He killed the first 3 with a knife, fatally shot 3, and wounded others with the guns, and ran down several, including bicyclists, along the way. He also fatally shot himself. It's a shame he didn't do that much earlier.

tj444 -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (5/25/2014 8:44:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I just checked, and UC Santa Barbara doesn't have a football team. The only two NCAA national championships they hold is 1979 Men's Water Polo and 2006 Men's Soccer. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Santa_Barbara_Gauchos) They're not in the Pac-12, but in the Big West Conference. But they also have a club surfing team which has won 12 national championships. So, I would imagine there'd be a lot of surfer dudes around that place. he talked about women going for the "bruts".. so football team is what came to mind.. although, soccer can be pretty brutish too, cant it?

FieryOpal -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (5/25/2014 9:43:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata And four of the six were men. That's interesting to note. Murderous rage directed on an opportunistic level (victims being in the wrong place at the wrong time), not targeted like Versace's spree killer. This may or may not tie in. I knew a Vietnam-era vet who sought treatment for PTSD at a Veterans Admin Hospital. He'd never seen combat nor been deployed to Vietnam, Laos or Cambodia. This was due to an unprovoked assault at his workplace where he was hesitant to return. He was attending group therapy as part of his workmen's comp claim. Long story short, the other attendees were suffering war-related PTSD, so he felt like the odd vet out. No wartime horror stories to share with the other seasoned vets. Whatever involvement this killer had with the so-called men's rights movement, if it entails sitting around women-bashing, would not have been something he could have connected with either. Too young. Never married. No kids. No custody battles. No lifetime experience to speak of. Other men would have wartime (think "War of the Roses") divorce stories to relate. If anything, this may have contributed to his already-extant sense of alienation, nothing more, nothing less. No matter where you go, there you are. [Edited to insert word]

MercTech -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (5/25/2014 11:06:26 PM)
Men's Rights Movement. I hadn't heard about that for quite a while. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_movement I remember it as rabid anti rabid feminism .... <grin> Typical over the top 70s manic issue making. Now, the Father's Rights guys split off from the misogynistic "playa" contingent a while back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers%27_rights_movement The concept of gender parity in family law. I talked with them back when I was getting divorced. It seems my lawyer was spot on about Virginia and you have to prove the female half of a marriage is a drug addled sex offender or the equivalent for a man to get custody of kids (mid 90s). And, if you prove that many judges would put the kids in foster care rather than have a man that would have a relationship with someone like that get custody. Family law, divorce, and child custody issues are wildly variable from state to state. Virginia in the Oral Roberts heyday was very much biased to the feminine when it came to divorce and child custody issues. All in all, the murdering fruit-loop had little to do with men's rights other than using their drivel as an excuse for insanity.

tj444 -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (5/26/2014 6:02:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata And four of the six were men. That's interesting to note. Murderous rage directed on an opportunistic level (victims being in the wrong place at the wrong time), not targeted like Versace's spree killer. I don't think those stabbings were random at all, I think he planned to do that.. from the article- "First, three men were "repeatedly stabbed" and killed inside Rodger's residence." Some of these killers do kill people they live with first, then go on their rampage until stopped. He had a hate on for at least one of the guys that lived with him, accusing him of stealing his candles in January. So far I have not read if that guy was still living at the house or one of the stabbing victims.. He "repeatedly stabbed" those men, to do that shows imo an immense amount of rage against them, its very personal.. He seemed to hate the men/"bruts" that got the girls he wanted to date and I expect the guys he lived with were men he envied and despised.. imo.. eta- he left a 140 page account of his life..

Zonie63 -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (5/26/2014 9:24:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I just checked, and UC Santa Barbara doesn't have a football team. The only two NCAA national championships they hold is 1979 Men's Water Polo and 2006 Men's Soccer. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Santa_Barbara_Gauchos) They're not in the Pac-12, but in the Big West Conference. But they also have a club surfing team which has won 12 national championships. So, I would imagine there'd be a lot of surfer dudes around that place. he talked about women going for the "bruts".. so football team is what came to mind.. although, soccer can be pretty brutish too, cant it? True, although surfer dudes can be that way, too. I've known a few who can be quite fanatical about it.

tj444 -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (5/26/2014 12:53:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I just checked, and UC Santa Barbara doesn't have a football team. The only two NCAA national championships they hold is 1979 Men's Water Polo and 2006 Men's Soccer. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Santa_Barbara_Gauchos) They're not in the Pac-12, but in the Big West Conference. But they also have a club surfing team which has won 12 national championships. So, I would imagine there'd be a lot of surfer dudes around that place. he talked about women going for the "bruts".. so football team is what came to mind.. although, soccer can be pretty brutish too, cant it? True, although surfer dudes can be that way, too. I've known a few who can be quite fanatical about it. I grew up on the prairie which tends not to have many surfer dudes.. [sm=biggrin.gif] and even when I have lived on a coast, never hung out with those types,.. so I will take your word on that.. [:D]

FieryOpal -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (5/26/2014 6:13:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 I don't think those stabbings were random at all, I think he planned to do that.. from the article- "First, three men were "repeatedly stabbed" and killed inside Rodger's residence." Some of these killers do kill people they live with first, then go on their rampage until stopped. He had a hate on for at least one of the guys that lived with him, accusing him of stealing his candles in January. So far I have not read if that guy was still living at the house or one of the stabbing victims.. He "repeatedly stabbed" those men, to do that shows imo an immense amount of rage against them, its very personal.. He seemed to hate the men/"bruts" that got the girls he wanted to date and I expect the guys he lived with were men he envied and despised.. imo.. eta- he left a 140 page account of his life.. Yes, stabbing his male roommates is believed to have been premeditated. Appreciate your clearing this up in better detail because I was being rather obtuse. Don't criminologists say stabbing is more personal an act of violence than shooting? Bare-hand strangling being the most personal or intimate killing method? It was his other victims, including the 13 he wounded, and the nature of his "drive-by shooting" before "shooting himself in the head while sitting behind the wheel of his wrecked BMW." I was alluding to his 'Murderous rage directed on an opportunistic level (victims being in the wrong place at the wrong time)' as further evidenced by "Inside the car, police found three handguns -- all legally purchased -- and more than 400 rounds of unused ammunition" which would indicate that he DID premeditate going on a killing spree, resulting in 9 crime scenes.* Of the wounded, 8 were by gunshot, 4 were hit by his car.** It doesn't help when there were factual variations in media accounts: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/us/california-drive-by-shooting.html?_r=0 ["killed six people and wounded 13 others"] (5/24) http://www.voanews.com/content/gunman-kills-6-in-drive-by-shooting-in-california-college-town/1921718.html ["killed six people in three"] (5/25) http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/shooting-isla-vista-uc-santa-barbara-260505021.html ["Seven people are dead and seven injured"] (Upd.5/25) * http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/3-dead-7-wounded-drive-by-shooting-uc-santa-barbara-article-1.1804163 ["left seven people dead, including the attacker, and seven others wounded"] (Upd.5/24) ** http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/24/shooting-california-santa-barbara/9532405/ (5/26)

tj444 -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (5/26/2014 9:16:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal Yes, stabbing his male roommates is believed to have been premeditated. Appreciate your clearing this up in better detail because I was being rather obtuse. Don't criminologists say stabbing is more personal an act of violence than shooting? Bare-hand strangling being the most personal or intimate killing method? It was his other victims, including the 13 he wounded, and the nature of his "drive-by shooting" before "shooting himself in the head while sitting behind the wheel of his wrecked BMW." I was alluding to his 'Murderous rage directed on an opportunistic level (victims being in the wrong place at the wrong time)' as further evidenced by "Inside the car, police found three handguns -- all legally purchased -- and more than 400 rounds of unused ammunition" which would indicate that he DID premeditate going on a killing spree, resulting in 9 crime scenes.* Of the wounded, 8 were by gunshot, 4 were hit by his car.** It doesn't help when there were factual variations in media accounts: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/us/california-drive-by-shooting.html?_r=0 ["killed six people and wounded 13 others"] (5/24) http://www.voanews.com/content/gunman-kills-6-in-drive-by-shooting-in-california-college-town/1921718.html ["killed six people in three"] (5/25) http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/shooting-isla-vista-uc-santa-barbara-260505021.html ["Seven people are dead and seven injured"] (Upd.5/25) * http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/3-dead-7-wounded-drive-by-shooting-uc-santa-barbara-article-1.1804163 ["left seven people dead, including the attacker, and seven others wounded"] (Upd.5/24) ** http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/24/shooting-california-santa-barbara/9532405/ (5/26) I don't know why he stabbed the 3 men in his apartment, rather than shooting them. He was outnumbered so maybe they were still asleep when he killed them? going into each of their rooms and stabbing each one? which would be quieter than firing a gun (I don't think they found a silencer).. I don't know what time he killed those men or what area of the apartment they were found.. But if he had fired his gun several times then one or two roommates might have escaped & the cops would have been called and perhaps got there in time to stop him from going on his rampage.. It could be stabbing for him was both to make the least noise and kill in an up close & personal way.. Once he decided to go on a killing spree and plan it out, he would have thought about which way he was going to kill his roommates and what time of day, etc.. and he took some time to plan it cuz he needed to buy his guns and ammo.. His goal was to do the most damage, kill and hurt the most people.. if he had been able to get into the sorority he might have killed many more women, but no one opened the door when he knocked on it.. other than killing his roommates & attempting to get into the sorority, it does not really seem like he was targeting anyone in particular, he was going after anyone unfortunate enough to be anywhere near him.. the cyclists on the road, etc.. The 400 rounds of ammo perhaps mean he thought he was going to have a lot more time than he actually did.. Yes, its frustrating when the reporting "facts" vary from one news agency to another..

HunterCA -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (6/1/2014 6:03:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Since certain dumbasses will off course question what I post I'll now go into detail. a Dailykos dairy that covers the high points http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/24/1301671/-Elliot-Roger-Gunman-in-California-Mass-Shooting-was-influenced-by-the-Men-s-Rights-Movement The only dumbasses here are people who get their "news" and talking points from DailyKos. K. Hey, he can't help it. Ken's a Kool Aid drinker and DailyKos is where he gets the Kool Aid. He can't help it when he thinks it's real. In his mind it's no different than any of the other voices.

HunterCA -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (6/1/2014 6:08:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Peanutcrusher Regardless of what he has been called before, he is now referencing a feminist blog with unsubstantiated claims and a very very sexist and bias view on reality. Either this guy has been brainwashed by a feminist or is so dumb that he can't see propaganda when it's in front of him. A dumb person who lies a lot in order to sound smart to himself. Basically a leftist.

thompsonx -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (6/1/2014 6:16:00 AM)
True, although surfer dudes can be that way, too. I've known a few who can be quite fanatical about it. The surfer community embrases both thugs like micki dora and non thugs like hobie alter(both long dead).

HunterCA -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (6/1/2014 6:19:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Drive-by knifings are tricky, I'll agree, Muse (maybe with a machete or sword, and an enthusiastic partner), but running them down with the car works just fine. I actually used to go out to the ranch and practice drive by shooting. As long as the car is moving you cannot hit a thing. You really do have to stop the car. Which then makes knives just as practical.

thompsonx -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (6/1/2014 6:30:20 AM)
quoteORIGINAL: HunterCA I actually used to go out to the ranch and practice drive by shooting. As long as the car is moving you cannot hit a thing. You really do have to stop the car. Which then makes knives just as practical. How is it that airplanes going hundreds of miles per hour can be shot down with air to air gunnery? How is it that a door gunner in a helicopter can hit targets on the ground both stationary and mobile? How is it that native americans on horse back could hit moving targets with an arrow? How is it that mounted cavalry can shoot other mounted cavalry? Maybe the issue is that you are just not a very good shot.

BamaD -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (6/1/2014 11:34:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic General reply I guess people are finally figuring out it's pointless to blame the gun, huh? Now we'll find whatever outlet a killer had, and blame that instead. Oh if only the government was to regulate every idea that could be talked about, nothing bad would ever happen... Particularly since 3 of the six he killed were stabbed

BamaD -> RE: The Men's rights movement claims 7 lives (6/1/2014 11:50:55 AM)
FR We seem to be overlooking the fact that his manifesto stated that he was going to get "even" with rich people. He was envious of anyone who had anything he did not. He blamed women because they wouldn't date him. He blamed "rich" kids cause they had more than he did. (this from a 22 year old with a BMW) He blamed the world because he didn't win powerball which he felt was his destiny. He was sick enough to think this justified killing. As for the roommates he had a plan (in his manifesto) to kill them, lure others in to the apartment and kill them, torturing the attractive ones

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