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Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/24/2014 10:27:11 AM   
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/05/23/redskins-continue-to-defend-team-name-in-letter/

The picture of the white guy leading the charge kind of sums it up.....
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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/24/2014 10:44:49 AM   
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The picture of the white guy leading the charge kind of sums it up.....

This white guy?



A leader of the Navajo Code Talkers who appeared at a Washington Redskins home football game said Wednesday the team name is a symbol of loyalty and courage -- not a slur as asserted by critics who want it changed... he said he would endorse the name if asked, and the televised appearance in which three of the Indians wore Redskins jackets spoke for itself... Also attending Monday's game were Code Talker president Peter MacDonald Sr., George Willie Sr. and George James Sr. ~Source

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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/24/2014 2:37:31 PM   
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I take it your answer is "NO," and you are probably 100% correct.



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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/25/2014 1:09:56 AM   
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I take it your answer is "NO," and you are probably 100% correct.




I thought his answer was its a stupid question

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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/25/2014 1:26:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		While I am quite sure that there are some native Americans that may find the term derogatory, I am not amongst them.

I do find it amusing when self-loathing white people take it upon themselves to be outraged for other people. I think that's more condescending then the name of a sports team.

Native Americans have real issues with how they're treated. The closer one gets to an "Indian Nation", the more one can find real signs of ethnocentricity and real dangers presented by such feelings.

Here, in "Suburbia" (Pennsyltucky), if I tell someone my grandmother was native American, it hardly warrants a raised eyebrow. In and around Cherokee, NC, it's a little different story.

The name of a football team? Laughable! It's almost as ridiculous as someone getting offended by "folks". Pathetic.







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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/25/2014 8:59:51 AM   
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In and around Cherokee, NC, it's a little different story.


What happens there?

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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/25/2014 9:46:45 AM   
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In and around Cherokee, NC, it's a little different story.


What happens there?

Butch


I'll take your question as a genuine one, Butch.

The closer one gets to the Nation (I'm not talking about in the Nation, itself), the more disdain and out-and-out disrespect one can encounter.

There are still some people that feel that if something bad happens, "there's injuns about".

There are businesses that will surreptitiously refuse service. There's profiling by law enforcement. Many of the same things that we hear the outrage about, here, on a national level when talking about other races, happen with the same fervor in the close environs to the people.

I think, to some degree, it may be "natural" (please notice the quotes). Many native Americans tend to not want to assimilate. So, there's a cultural divide. I'm not saying that either culture is better than the other. I'm saying that they're different and when there are people deeply entrenched on cultural lines, those cultures, at some point, will "collide". That's always a recipe for disaster.

But, really, none of that is the issue of this thread. I brought it up to point out that with real issues that need to be addressed, the idea of a bunch of self-loathing white journalists that want to create news instead of reporting it, making such a big deal about such a non-issue is laughable.

Unfortunately, it's a pattern we see repeated, over and over. It's misdirection. It's what the politicians and people that really are engaged in racism count on.







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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/25/2014 2:42:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are so far off base as to not even be in the Stadium. The term "Redskin" is a racial slur. This is s fact. Why would anyone want to keep such a name is the next question?

It is no surprise to me that a xenophobic, racist such as yourself would drop the term "self-loathing white people" as a rebuttal argument. Your problem, among many, is a completely ahistorical view of the present -- and seeing those with any sense of history as "self loathing."

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Socially conscious people don't live in a bubble and don't condone the use of racial slurs in company logos. It goes beyond the specificity of Washington's football team and to a much larger issue of showing respect and decency in the world.

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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/25/2014 4:29:09 PM   
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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/25/2014 6:13:31 PM   
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I'll take your question as a genuine one, Butch.


It was and thanks...I've a great Grandmother that was full blooded Cherokee but from Kentucky that is why I was asking.

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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/25/2014 8:55:05 PM   
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You are so far off base as to not even be in the Stadium. The term "Redskin" is a racial slur. This is s fact. Why would anyone want to keep such a name is the next question?


I'm sorry, but are you honestly arguing with someone who's part Native American as to whether or not the term "Redskin" is derogatory? That's mighty white of you, to explain his ignorance to him.

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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/25/2014 9:28:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nothing personal to all of you or the almighty Oxford English Dictionary, but when I hear "redskin" I think about potatoes immediately not football or a racial slur. Not sure how Oxford omitted this from their high and mighty definitions of words. The fact that I am a chef may color this a bit, but the fact that it is omitted completely from the definitions makes me wonder if Native Americans find potatoes offensive too.

If redskin is a racial slur and only a racial slur, I am guilty of using said slur at least 3 days a week and many times each of those days. Let us leave up to the individuals to determine if they find it offensive. If enough individuals come forward, then by all means, change the team name, but even if you change the name of the potatoes, I am still going to call them what they are.

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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/25/2014 9:51:37 PM   
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I'll take your question as a genuine one, Butch.


It was and thanks...I've a great Grandmother that was full blooded Cherokee but from Kentucky that is why I was asking.

Butch


My grandmother was full-blooded but, I have only ever been to the Carolina Nation and corresponded with the "headquarters" (they claim they are but there's disagreement in NC) in California.

Having been to NC many times, I can vouche for the attitude. I saw some of it directed at me, twice - by people I can only assume were actually in the klan.

If you've never been, I strongly suggest a trip down there. I enjoyed it more back in the 80s, before gambling because I detest gambling but, it is still a really great way to connect and learn.







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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/25/2014 10:53:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apparently Elizabeth Warren signed the petition to have the NFL force the Redskins to change their name, even though she still refuses to meet with the Cherokee Nation about lying about her ancestry for financial and political gain.

I think the Redskins should change their name to "Washington's White Guilt" and change their logo to a caricature of Elizabeth Warren. Instead of doing a Tomahawk Chop when the team scores they can do the Fauxcahontas Fist Pump. Then they should rename the cheerleaders "The Fakeawajaweas" and put "Pow Wow Chow Sold Here" signs up at all their refreshment stands.

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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/26/2014 6:13:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		You live in an ahistorical world. Maybe you could raise your children to comfortably use the word N*gger assuming everyone around them felt comfortable with it.

The question is, how do you reconcile that with how it was used in the past?

The argument you and the others are making is: THE PAST DOESN'T MATTER, i.e. "I don't care how it was used in the past."

Maybe 200 years from now your family could own a franchise and call it THE FAGGOTS.

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I might add that by your logic, someone should name a team Faggots right now b/c it has alternative meanings:

Faggot: 1. a bundle of sticks or twigs, esp when bound together and used as fuel



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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/26/2014 6:44:51 AM   
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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/26/2014 7:03:07 AM   
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Actually, I might just re read Kundera's THE BOOK OF LAUGHTER AND FORGETTING. It is the same principle -- and quite universal in its application.

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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/26/2014 8:51:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can somebody explain to me why the Washington Redskins keep getting hammered over their name? Have we just forgotten about the Atlanta Braves? Surely the Cincinnati Reds and Kansas City Chiefs would also be among the "racially insensitive" team names as well.

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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/26/2014 8:52:21 AM   
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If it continues, I will be in touch and it won't be to coddle members with warnings and consider your motivation speeches.

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RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? - 5/26/2014 9:02:26 AM   
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Can somebody explain to me why the Washington Redskins keep getting hammered over their name? Have we just forgotten about the Atlanta Braves? Surely the Cincinnati Reds and Kansas City Chiefs would also be among the "racially insensitive" team names as well.

Not by anyone with a brain. Braves and Chiefs are not slurs and The Cincinnati Reds were originally the Cincinnati Red Stockings so I'm not sure how anyone sentient would ever consider that "racially insensitive" on any level.

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