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Musicmystery -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/5/2014 8:20:04 AM)
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Hello, Bomb Boy -- the OP alone gives you two from the 20th century.
Read. It will make you sound less idiotic when you respond.
Abdus Salam
PakistanPakistani physicist The 1979 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded jointly (with Sheldon Lee Glashow, Salam, and Steven Weinberg) “for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current”
Ahmed Zewail
Egypt Egyptian - American scientist The 1999 Nobel Prize in Chemistry was awarded to Ahmed Zewail “for his studies of the transition states of chemical reactions using femtosecond spectroscopy”.
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Tyson lays the problem at the feet of fundamentalist, mystical Islamic religion and warns of implications for a similar problem in the West from Christian fundamentalism. You point instead to the Mongol invasions. So, I ask you what characteristics of Mongol culture have remained among the Muslims to the detriment of their enterprise in modern science.
There was plenty of fundamentalist Islam before the Mongols. Why didn't it slow down science then?
What changed isn't Islam, but rather, government focus.
As for today, much as I'm no fan of Fundies, and while yes, they're sticks in the mud regarding science, but they're not responsible for retarding it in any serious way (beyond their perception of it) -- that retardation is the work of zealous budget cutters, slashing funding for NASA, research grants, and so forth.
Again -- that's a change in government focus, not a function of religion.
That ALSO has been mentioned, now three times, on this thread.
Maybe read before posting. Try it. You might find it helps you make better points.
Then there's the matter of how the question of "Islamic Science," a problematic phrasing in terms of science (as again has already been mentioned in this thread), is framed, as there's more to it than the western conception of the question.
Here's an Islamic lecture on Modern Science and Islam. There's a different set of assumptions, and they are not a priori "wrong." In fact, his remarks about the limitations of modern science are clearly accurate (and western science doesn't dispute them--just disregards them). It's given by Professor Seyyid Hossein Nasr, University Professor of Islamic Studies at Georgetown University, and a physics and mathematics alumnus of MIT. He received a PhD in the philosophy of science, with emphasis on Islamic science, from Harvard University. From 1958 to 1979, he was a professor of history of science and philosophy at Tehran University and was also the Vice-Chancellor of the University over 1970-71. He has been a visiting professor at Harvard and Princeton Universities. He has delivered many famous lectures including the Gifford Lecture at Edinburgh University and the Iqbal Lecture at the Punjab University. He is the author of over twenty books. He's not an idiot, and he knows lots of stuff far beyond the making of roadside bombs.
http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ip/nasr1.htm
As for the rest, I don't give a fuck what you think of me personally, so we'll leave that a side issue. Nor am I interested in the respect of someone dismissing one-quarter of the world's population as nothing by roadside bomb makers.
In fact, I'd prefer to distance myself from you as far as possible.
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