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chatterbox24 -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 6:02:27 PM)
That would be correct GS. I see God in everything EVEN YOU..[:D] quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Some things defy logic and reasoning. It's what you can't put in an equation. Not this one. Biased investigation (often known as pseudoscience) can reliably demonstrate the existence of bigfoot, ghosts, dousing, UFO's, a young earth, etc. Heck with enough bias one can even find proof of god in a coincidence involving a stone and a feather. More objective investigation has consistently failed to produce this same evidence. "[T]he persistent failures of controlled, double-blind experiments to support the claims of parapsychology suggest that what's going on is nonsense rather than sixth sense." -Neil deGrasse Tyson

deathtothepixies -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 6:06:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 To prove that I am not wrong, you will need to freeze your head after your death for 1000 year's. It will be attached to a biotonic body and your 12th generation after your awakening will tell you, ahhhhhhh we still dont know it all. That is if we are still here. Maybe, or maybe not? quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Some things defy logic and reasoning. It's what you can't put in an equation. Wrong. Some things currently defy logic and reasoning. It's what we can't currently put in an equation. That's why we have to keep looking and experimenting to find the logic, to understand and progress or we can try to deal in reality, keep learning and progressing. The other option is to give up, stand still, and hope that angels and fairies exist

deathtothepixies -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 6:11:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata It seems fairly obvious that the only purpose of certain posters here is to employ slander and name-calling to prevent any discussion of topics they regard as heretical. If you want to join the club, be my guest. K. or you could try and back up the link you posted, the one riddled with maybes suggestions and possibilities which you are putting forward as science

Kirata -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 6:14:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies or we can try to deal in reality, keep learning and progressing. People who want to deal with reality need to confront the accumulating evidence instead of just pontificating that such effects are impossible and that "there is no such thing." That is a belief that takes the assumption of materialism as a tenet of faith and cries heresy when confronted with any threat to it. There is nothing scientific about such an attitude. It is, instead, the response of an inquisitorial priesthood, and their pretentions to the contrary are vacuous. K.

Kirata -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 6:20:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata It seems fairly obvious that the only purpose of certain posters here is to employ slander and name-calling to prevent any discussion of topics they regard as heretical. If you want to join the club, be my guest. or you could try and back up the link you posted, the one riddled with maybes suggestions and possibilities which you are putting forward as science The links (plural) that I posted constitute data, and possibilities are what science is all about. Anyone who has a problem with that is not interested in science but in defending dogma. K.

GotSteel -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 6:20:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Why don't you actually READ the thread? I did. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I was responding to this nonsense... I'm going to put up his full post again, please give it a second look: quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML What again has Islamic science produced these last 700 years besides roadside bombs and knapsack bombs. Tyson's thesis is that Islamic science took a nose dive and Western science could suffer the same fate. It would be helpful if you stopped making up your own shit and address the OP. Note that nowhere in this post (or any of his other posts) is the statement "not one Islamic scientist". He presented you with the question "What again has Islamic science produced these last 700 years..." you're concluding his expected answer is "not one Islamic scientist", it's not actually something he said. I'm going to repeat that part because it's important "not one Islamic scientist" is what YOU added that to his position, NOT what the man posted. Please rethink for a second the validity of your conclusion, there are multiple alternative answers he could have expected, for instance: Q: "What again has Islamic science produced these last 700 years..." A: A meager helping compared to their golden age. I consider this alternative more likely than your conclusion because, one it's the OP which he's asking you to address and two he just watched a video informing him of at least one Islamic scientist in the last 700 years.

deathtothepixies -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 6:23:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies or we can try to deal in reality, keep learning and progressing. People who want to deal with reality need to confront the accumulating evidence instead of just pontificating that such effects are impossible and that "there is no such thing." That is a belief that takes the assumption of materialism as a tenet of faith and cries heresy when confronted with any threat to it. There is nothing scientific about that attitude. It is purely a response of inquisitorial priests, and pretenions to the contrary are vacuous. K. people who want to deal with reality are people who live in the real world. Is there evidence accumulating against reality? Really?? And obviously you have failed to answer the questions about your "seers sometimes see the future" link I saw that coming........

chatterbox24 -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 6:25:26 PM)
I agree nothing wrong with learning that reality is not completely as simple as the simple. Nor as complicated as the complicated. Oh there I go again talking silly. Carry on. quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 To prove that I am not wrong, you will need to freeze your head after your death for 1000 year's. It will be attached to a biotonic body and your 12th generation after your awakening will tell you, ahhhhhhh we still dont know it all. That is if we are still here. Maybe, or maybe not? quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Some things defy logic and reasoning. It's what you can't put in an equation. Wrong. Some things currently defy logic and reasoning. It's what we can't currently put in an equation. That's why we have to keep looking and experimenting to find the logic, to understand and progress or we can try to deal in reality, keep learning and progressing. The other option is to give up, stand still, and hope that angels and fairies exist

Kirata -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 6:26:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies people who want to deal with reality are people who live in the real world. Those studies are part of the real world. Get used to it. K.

thompsonx -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 6:40:00 PM)
ORIGINAL: vincentML What again has Islamic science produced these last 700 years besides roadside bombs and knapsack bombs. I am pretty sure that they have an atomic wepon. I am pretty sure that they spoofed a predator out of the sky and reverse engineered it. I am pretty sure they are spanking the ass of the u.s. army in the sand box. Maybe that ain't much but it is way more than nothing

GotSteel -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 6:41:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 That would be correct GS. I see God in everything EVEN YOU..[:D] Of course you do, you can reliably be expected to find God in things regardless of whether or not he's there. That's why the rest of us don't take it seriously every time the sufficiently biased find Jesus on a piece of toast or some ice crystals.

Musicmystery -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 7:00:49 PM)
The point you're missing in your zeal to hop on anything anti-religious you find is that both you and Tyson are erroneously assuming cause and effect. To maintain that Islamic science fell because of it's attachment to Islam ignores centuries of spectacular success equally attached to it. What changed isn't Islam, but rather, government focus. Since you maintain you've read the thread, I'll assume you've noted that. You're looking at the wrong cause. As for today, much as I'm no fan of Fundies, and while yes, they're sticks in the mud regarding science, but they're not responsible for retarding it in any serious way (beyond their perception of it) -- that retardation is the work of zealous budget cutters, slashing funding for NASA, research grants, and so forth. Again -- that's a change in government focus, not a function of religion.

dcnovice -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 7:01:03 PM)
FR Finding God in another poster is kids' stuff. Finding a funny bone in some cases--now we're talking miracles. [:)]

DomKen -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 7:05:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata It seems fairly obvious that the only purpose of certain posters here is to employ slander and name-calling to prevent any discussion of topics they regard as heretical. If you want to join the club, be my guest. or you could try and back up the link you posted, the one riddled with maybes suggestions and possibilities which you are putting forward as science The links (plural) that I posted constitute data, and possibilities are what science is all about. Anyone who has a problem with that is not interested in science but in defending dogma. Except your "science" isn't. You don't do science by doing an experiment and then throwing out all the data you don't like.

DomKen -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 7:10:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Radin has no idea how to create an unbiased experiment or set out to create a biased experiment. The experiment was functionally to show blasé and shocking pictures to people and then measure certain physical responses just prior to the photos being displayed. So of course the participant were tense before the display. He excludes from his result almost all of his subjects and almost all of his test runs. So it is safe to assume all those runs were negative. So he cherry picked his data which is the ultimate no no of science. You're making shit up again. K. Handwaves are not responses. The fact is the experiment is fatally flawed. If he'd had real results he would have published his full data set. Instead he cherry picked.

Kirata -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 8:02:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Radin has no idea how to create an unbiased experiment or set out to create a biased experiment. The experiment was functionally to show blasé and shocking pictures to people and then measure certain physical responses just prior to the photos being displayed. So of course the participant were tense before the display. He excludes from his result almost all of his subjects and almost all of his test runs. So it is safe to assume all those runs were negative. So he cherry picked his data which is the ultimate no no of science. You're making shit up again. Handwaves are not responses. The fact is the experiment is fatally flawed. If he'd had real results he would have published his full data set. Instead he cherry picked. Well no, the only fact here is that you're just posting slanders and unsubstantiated claims as usual. K.

DomKen -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 8:22:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Radin has no idea how to create an unbiased experiment or set out to create a biased experiment. The experiment was functionally to show blasé and shocking pictures to people and then measure certain physical responses just prior to the photos being displayed. So of course the participant were tense before the display. He excludes from his result almost all of his subjects and almost all of his test runs. So it is safe to assume all those runs were negative. So he cherry picked his data which is the ultimate no no of science. You're making shit up again. Handwaves are not responses. The fact is the experiment is fatally flawed. If he'd had real results he would have published his full data set. Instead he cherry picked. Well no, the only fact here is that you're just posting slanders and unsubstantiated claims as usual. K. Believe whatever fantasy nonsense you want but puzzle over this, this effect would have to violate relativity. Violate relativity and you collapse space time. Have you noticed everything existing at the same spot all at once?

Kirata -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 8:54:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Believe whatever fantasy nonsense you want but puzzle over this, this effect would have to violate relativity. Violate relativity and you collapse space time. Really? That possibility doesn't seem to bother physicists very much. Catching relativity violations with atoms ~American Physical Society Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics ~Phys.org Relativity violations and beta decay ~Physical Review D Prospects for Large Relativity Violations in Matter-Gravity Couplings ~Physical Review Letters Could it be that you don't know what you're talking about, as usual? K.

DomKen -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 9:41:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Believe whatever fantasy nonsense you want but puzzle over this, this effect would have to violate relativity. Violate relativity and you collapse space time. Really? That possibility doesn't seem to bother physicists very much. Catching relativity violations with atoms ~American Physical Society Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics ~Phys.org Relativity violations and beta decay ~Physical Review D Prospects for Large Relativity Violations in Matter-Gravity Couplings ~Physical Review Letters Could it be that you don't know what you're talking about, as usual? K. You just googled "violate relativity" and posted whatever came up right? Do any of those experiments have anything to do with violating causality? No. Do any of them involve actually having an event's effects before it happens? No. You really are in way over your head. In this case you won't find anything. You're flailing and it's showing. Physics simply makes precognition impossible.

Kirata -> RE: The Erosion of Progress by Religions (6/4/2014 9:47:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen You just googled "violate relativity" and posted whatever came up right? Yep. Food for thought there. Maybe you should try that before you start running your mouth. [:D] K.

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