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As far as I can tell most god botherers were indoctrinated as children and the stream only flows one way as they grow up and gain critical faculties

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Certainly there are some atheists who have never been theists but the majority of us were once among the faithful.

the majority?
speak for your fucking self mate.
I think the majority of atheists have always been atheists.
Personally I don't know anyone who's flip flopped.

As far as I can tell most god botherers were indoctrinated as children and the stream only flows one way as they grow up and gain critical faculties

Really?

I know very few atheists, and I know a lot, who were not raised in some sort of religion.

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If you actually had an understanding

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As far as I can tell most god botherers were indoctrinated as children and the stream only flows one way as they grow up and gain critical faculties

Probably, like me, you had God pumped at you at school from primary school age and, no doubt deliberately, at a time before you'd developed critical faculties. Interesting question, though. Did I ever believe in it all? Perhaps not. It always did seem like a lot of disgusting old bollocks cooked up by primitive, deranged, bearded fruitcakes hundreds of years ago and thousands of miles away, even then. But I wasn't entirely conscious of that feeling, back then.

If only the religionists would leave children alone. Just wait till they're teens, at least, before they start shovelling their wares at them. I'd find them a fair bit easier to respect.

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If only the religionists would leave children alone

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Certainly there are some atheists who have never been theists but the majority of us were once among the faithful.

the majority?
speak for your fucking self mate.
I think the majority of atheists have always been atheists.
Personally I don't know anyone who's flip flopped.

As far as I can tell most god botherers were indoctrinated as children and the stream only flows one way as they grow up and gain critical faculties

Really?

I know very few atheists, and I know a lot, who were not raised in some sort of religion.

what?

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I know very few atheists, and I know a lot, who were not raised in some sort of religion.

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If you actually had an understanding

You aren't demonstrating much of an understanding of religion either. Quite the opposite.

I have been where Steel is (without the baiting bullshit), and I know what he means by a deeper understanding. He has an even deeper understanding coming, but he can't know that yet, just as I wouldn't/couldn't have known.

What's true doesn't need help, chatterbox. And as a religious friend of mine says, "You can't shove the dove."

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I know very few atheists, and I know a lot, who were not raised in some sort of religion.

Maybe I am being extra thick but I can't follow that.... my bad probably

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I know very few atheists, and I know a lot, who were not raised in some sort of religion.

Maybe I am being extra thick but I can't follow that.... my bad probably

Most atheists were, as children, indoctrinated in some faith tradition.

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It was there if you wanted it but I don't know many people over here for whom it was wrong or bad to not be a believer

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He has an even deeper understanding coming, but he can't know that yet, just as I wouldn't/couldn't have known.

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If I have no understanding then please explain it to me?

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I know very few atheists, and I know a lot, who were not raised in some sort of religion.

Maybe I am being extra thick but I can't follow that.... my bad probably

Most atheists were, as children, indoctrinated in some faith tradition.

Ok, well I can only speak for myself and most of my friends....and most of the UK maybe....but religion was always there and thereabouts but I wouldn't say there was any indoctrination.
It was there if you wanted it but I don't know many people over here for whom it was wrong or bad to not be a believer

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Beat me to it and your graphic is prettier.

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Humans are funny creatures.

Yep. Can't argue that.
But some are just stupid beyond belief.

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Some have total faith in something greater,

Really??
What is greater than man's achievements?
Not all good I grant you; but on the whole, better than the dark ages and beyond.

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they just have the ability to know.

Know what??
That they are weak and need an ethereal being as a crutch to survive daily life??

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Then you have some that are total absent of it.

And I would say they are often the better person for that absence.

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Each think the other is limited and living in a bubble.

I agree with that.
But it takes all sorts to make a world.
If you wanna live in a bubble, that's your choice.
But don't try to assert your bubble onto other people.

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The God view is open beyond the stars, multiuniverse actually

Proof? Citation?
It is only your perception of such.
I have not seen any proof of either.

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and we are accused of ignorant and uneducated.

Not so much ignorant.... just blinkered and unforgiving in your own personal beliefs.
What's worse is that you slander everyone else with acidic comments who believe something different.
How intolerant.

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The most hysterical thing of all is while we are gifted with the beauty of faith and blind wisdom,

You call that a gift??
I'd call it a blind millstone of not having free thought of your own.
You have to rely on something else to provide your guidance.
Sheeple mentality at its best.

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you all are in white coats making bobbly gook trying to actually prove what we already have a knowing for.

You don't know for certain as you have no proof yourself.
Your 'knowledge' is just blind guesswork at best and nothing whatsoever to back it up.

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If you think about it dim wit you are actually trying to reach God.

Not in a zillion years.
What an obtuse PoV!!

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Ye of little faith.

I have my own faith and it doesn't revolve around an ethereal being in the sky.
Casting aspersions on those that don't follow your particular path is a personal attack.

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Let's do everything possible with our box brains even make weird stuff and blow us out of the water to show how smart we really are!!!!

Believing in a non-existent being isn't a smart thing.
The dark ages of blind faith are long gone with the inquisition of yesteryear.
Some of us have seen the light - the real light where blind faith is deemed ridiculous and inadequate.

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Sorry, CB. For me, the story gave me the biggest hand-to-face moment of this thread so far. It's concocted specifically to make right wing American Christians chortle - but, exactly because it's designed that way, it's only going to reinforce the dislike of right wing American bible-thumpers amongst those who are against them.