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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

And you once again show ignorance. The applicant owned property all over the world, islands in Hawaii. Things that boggle a halfwit mind as we've discussed on other threads.

I actually saw my first congressman sold in 1985. It cost, $35,000. What do you think a general cost, especially after you've bought the congressman?

Or, besides, idiot, what do you think a ranking general will do if a ranking congressman suggests one of his failures could remain quit.

Honestly ken, as much other shit as you make up, make up your fantasy story here. But, just understand, your fantasy aside, it happened.

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A couple of quick comments to which I'll add more when I haven't been having a cocktail with dinner.

I've done subdivision in CA and AZ. I haven't look at which state you're in but if it's not one of those states I'm not technically worth taking to.

Second all of these regulations come down from the EPA and the 1998 revision the clean water act. That act is implemented in each state through a relationship with the EPA. I can tell you how tough or easy that relationship is in California. For instance, if you were in my town I would be the administrator.

Third, god I love figuring out a way to do what you want while tweaking the governments nose. I have been paid a lot of money on my time because I tend to be good at it.

Last, for now, all of those regulations are there to meet specific ends. Most of the people you will find in the government now will be a generation away from knowing what those ends are and why they came about. If you have someone who can speak government, knows why the rules exist and can explain it to your regulators, then you can reasonably apply to meet the reasons for the rules without actually meeting the rules which are, after all, arbitrary but something to which good little leftist and government employees cleave.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Oh and I forgot. There is generally some guy in the area with experience and certification for operating systems who will gladly accept a small sum to operate/maintain your system. And, frequently when the local government sees you're using 'that guy' they'll cut you some slack on your permit.


I used to be the District Engineer for a county wide water district. We had eight water treatment plants and six sewer plants. I ended up hiring a guy who left that place to start his own business to tend my water system. He's good and his main income is from retiring from the district. I assume he'll come and go at his retired leisure. So I'm date money for him to take his wife out and everyone in the county knows and like him.

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It seems that people have confused satire with blasting liberals. The person she is interviewing is a well known conservative known for popping anti vaccine conspiracy theories, as well as those about fluoridation of water and other extreme conservative issues.

Hum, I'm extremely conservative. Most of the people I work with are as well. You see we are people who have to take responsibility for making sure things work. For instance, I've built and or operated more than a half dozen water treatment plants in my life. Actually more sewer plants but that's not germain now. I've never met one conservative in the water treatment business that even thought about fluoridating water.

Would you mind providing a source or admitting you're a typical loony leftist who pulls this sort of stuff out of your ass?

Hunter, I have a question.

I own a bunch of commercial property in rural zoned areas (septic, so, limited footprint obviously) but, if I were on sewer, I could more or less quintuple my coverage for obvious reasons.

I've been looking in to the "Jet System" (midwest somewhere)....looks awesome, lego like (add as needed). Allows me to build about 150,000 sf of building instead of 25,000 sf. Water comes out clean enough to use as irrigation water.

Up to 20,000 gallons of capacity the county can approve it, over 30,000 but below 75,000 gotta take it to the state and they're good with the systems and apparently are easier to get approval from than the county (I'm in an unincorporated county on a state route), above 75,000 gallons, then you go to the feds somehow for approval (that one escapes me...seems like a local issue regardless) and apparently that is like pulling teeth on a mastodon.

I need about 115,000 gallons of capacity.

But, there's 5 parcels so, seems to me if I built out the first (60,000 gallons or so) then built the other site later, it's just another 60,000 gallons, totally different project....or would the state see right through that?

Moreover, would the county feel like I'm stepping on their turf?

They're not going to bring service to my property for 20+ years....I'm about 2 years away from doing something on this but, I'm trying to get my ducks lined up.

Oh, and they say...systems that size need about 1 - 2 hours a week at most effort from the property owner.

Any advice would be appreciated.

You didn't ask me but I'd look at the communities where that 'Jet System' has been used and see what approvals they obtained and learn all you can. They'd likely have plans you could use for your approvals. (BTW what is an 'unincorporated' county ?)

One other question might be how it is you could develop commercially under rural zoning ? If you were to get your water, would this be allowed under special exception ?

It also seems to me that you know as much about this option as anybody here and we might only be guessing.

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Oh and see, cocktails I keep remembering what I want to say.

I live on 80 acres in zoning conditions. I can build x houses on my property. But, zoning takes over from there. The x houses is not really a function of sewer as much as access road. My road is not two lane and not generally maintained as a priority by the county.

Often "limits" are set for things like sewer that are generated by things like road. Say, okay Hunter you can build five houses on your 80 acres because your road sucks. So, five houses means you shall have x sewer and y water.

Knowing why the standards are set establishes how to circumvent them.

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Really, in the last such permit I obtained about six years ago I had the three star general in charge of the US Army Corp of Engineers and the local Congressmen visit the federal employee and ask her to process the permit in the second year of the application and she said no. So we waited a third year.

Really? You're claiming to have gotten a Lieutenant General to personally walk a permit request through and still couldn't get it done? The commander of the entire US Army Corps of Engineers? (the only 3 star general in the Corps of Engineers).

Full of shit much?

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

And you once again show ignorance. The applicant owned property all over the world, islands in Hawaii. Things that boggle a halfwit mind as we've discussed on other threads.

I actually saw my first congressman sold in 1985. It cost, $35,000. What do you think a general cost, especially after you've bought the congressman?

Or, besides, idiot, what do you think a ranking general will do if a ranking congressman suggests one of his failures could remain quit.

Honestly ken, as much other shit as you make up, make up your fantasy story here. But, just understand, your fantasy aside, it happened.

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If I can give an example. In California.

In 1984 I spent one morning, four hours, applying for all local, state and federal permits for a project that had 20 some odd thousand homes on thousands of acres. I don't remember the exact numbers. I had all of those permits in hand six months later. FEMA on the river, Corp of Engineers, on down.

Today those permits would take three years and three millions dollars to obtain in California.

Really, in the last such permit I obtained about six years ago I had the three star general in charge of the US Army Corp of Engineers and the local Congressmen visit the federal employee and ask her to process the permit in the second year of the application and she said no. So we waited a third year.

Now, you leftist weenies who are so damned upset with Exxon taking you in the ass ponder that.

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Oh, and mrrodgers tells you he can help and can't tell you the current name of the private consultant engineer to FEMA without googling, scratch his eyes/little tiny balls off.

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Unincorporated county: Not city or incorporated townships....basically the bastard children that no surrounding/abutting city has annexed at any given time.

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And you once again show ignorance. The applicant owned property all over the world, islands in Hawaii. Things that boggle a halfwit mind as we've discussed on other threads.

I actually saw my first congressman sold in 1985. It cost, $35,000. What do you think a general cost, especially after you've bought the congressman?

Or, besides, idiot, what do you think a ranking general will do if a ranking congressman suggests one of his failures could remain quit.

Honestly ken, as much other shit as you make up, make up your fantasy story here. But, just understand, your fantasy aside, it happened.

Sure.

BTW Dumbass, I've seen federal permits get green lit with one phone call from one congress critter. An in person visit from one and a 3 star general would definitely shake loose a permit or get somebody investigated for bribery. No one would be so clumsy who could actually wield that kind of clout. Do try not to be so stupid.

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Unincorporated county: Not city or incorporated townships....basically the bastard children that no surrounding/abutting city has annexed at any given time.

.....does that mean there is no county govt. ? Every one of the local counties where I practiced real estate had govts. all of which required their own set of approvals. It is my understanding that any city within those jurisdictions that had their own govt., also required their own set of approvals and were known...as incorporated.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

And you once again show ignorance. The applicant owned property all over the world, islands in Hawaii. Things that boggle a halfwit mind as we've discussed on other threads.

I actually saw my first congressman sold in 1985. It cost, $35,000. What do you think a general cost, especially after you've bought the congressman?

Or, besides, idiot, what do you think a ranking general will do if a ranking congressman suggests one of his failures could remain quit.

Honestly ken, as much other shit as you make up, make up your fantasy story here. But, just understand, your fantasy aside, it happened.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha....I haven't yet bought a Congressman yet....rented a few local dignitaries LOL....but my projects are much smaller than yours.

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Oh and jlf, now that earth science has become a religion on the left, it is certainly time to separate the state and religion and disband the EPA. You wouldn't want a cabinet level part of the government overseeing...say....Christianity would you?. Making regulations on how you had to worship.

.....just as long as we all understand that everything in space revolves around earth and that it is only about 6000 years old and god put old fossils on earth to test our faith and only if they are really as old as 'science' tells us which many just don't believe anyway.

What an idiot. Is that really the highest intellectual state you can reach?

So you would have this forum believe that you then agree with all of the leftist earth science that refutes all of that ? Can't be.

I want right wing regulations that serve to knock my competition out of business. Hell maybe without all that left wing bullshit, we could have the great lakes catch on fire again.

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Not really, because the corporations had control of that city, in reality.

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Really, in the last such permit I obtained about six years ago I had the three star general in charge of the US Army Corp of Engineers and the local Congressmen visit the federal employee and ask her to process the permit in the second year of the application and she said no. So we waited a third year.

Really? You're claiming to have gotten a Lieutenant General to personally walk a permit request through and still couldn't get it done? The commander of the entire US Army Corps of Engineers? (the only 3 star general in the Corps of Engineers).

Full of shit much?

Unfortunately, thanks to saving the rare pilot gnat which only lives on a 3/4 acre parcel in one location on Earth, even a Brigadier General can't rubber stamp projects. And if someone spilled a can of Pepsi on it just prior to the inspection by some of these environmentalists, you'll have a SEPA that runs 900 pages to prove your project won't kill whales downstream in Argentina.

Times have changed.

Projects I could hire a consultant on in 1988, that took 10 weeks, now require 10 agencies, all of which have to sign off on their little fiefdom first and takes 5 years.

It all gets done in the end, I have to build a park somewhere (or put a protective fence around the gnats with signs on the fence every 30 feet so school children can learn the vital importance of the gnat) but instead of costing 30 grand, it costs 2.5 million.

It just ends up costing the end user (tenants) more. It doesn't actually change the final result (much).