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Mind bondage - 7/10/2006 6:34:13 AM   
dmarc


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Hi,
I do notice more and more people are interested in Mind Bondage, or the psychology or D/s relationships, The mind is fascinating and For a Master its equally fascinating and if anything an the ultimate adventure to work within the mind of a sub/slaves, and if your lucky enough to have someone willing to let you work in there head, that is . This sounds a bit like brain surgeon stuff, for some it is for other its not. Like anything its down to preference and also the consent you gain or are given. For Me Mind bondage Must be taken seriously. You can play with a person for years and go through the ever-growing list of the bondage experience. But one area that is free even when the physical world of the sub/slave is controlled is the mind (some may argue this is not true, and again I believe its down to point of view and the people involved). So I shall share with you my understanding and thoughts of Mind bondage.
The mind is both the centre of ones self and the character of the person (mentally). The 2 facts need to be separated out.
So firstly the list of Minds elements that make it the centre of ones self ("COS" For short), for those still wondering what the hell I am on about its like the operating system of a person and includes the following:
1)How to walk
2)How to eat
3)How to Communicate (language)
4)How to do there Job
5)The understanding of there environment
6)The understanding of there advanced education(university & collage Education)
7)There understanding of themselves
8)There understanding of sex
etc)I am sure there is more on this list. But I shall move on to the second area.
The character of the person ("COTP" again for short), includes the following:
1)There Habits
2)There Likes
3)There Dislikes
4)There Techniques of life (e.g. how one wash’s themselves)
5)There dresses style
6)There preference to food
7)There Preference to sexual experiences
etc)Again I am sure there is more on this list.
OK, I hope from these 2 lists (which are in no means complete) give’s an idea of what I am talking about, COS should not be altered or modified. So this means that any conditioning that your training contains must be focused based so that it makes the greatest impact on the COTP. To give you an example. Take a female and although I am not a female I am sure ever women has been taught to sit when going to the toilet. So say sub/slave as part of her Master's training, she is being conditioned so she will naturally always Do the toilet standing. So whenever she goes to the toilet the Master insures her position is standing, if she sits she gets punished, ok fair enough. But what the Master does not train is who she relieves herself, therefore leaving the COS alone and allowing her to function as a human being. I hope I am showing you that my views of train lead to a clear difference from conditioning the COTP and Not the COS of a person.
Ok So I would like to ask you all, to look at the COTP list and share together which elements you wish to discuss e.g. dress style, Likes etc.
I will start with mine, which is habits; Habits can be hard to break. So there conditioning a sub/slave can be long and hard regarding this, the first habit I like to change is the sitting habit, were a sub/slave must sit exposed when in private premises. I would first clearly state the desires, and then enforce with punishment. I would expect at first to give many punishments out, and then as time progresses the punishments would be less and the sub would achieve my wishes and sit the way I desired without me enforcing the desire or requesting it.
Well I look forward to your views.
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RE: Mind bondage - 7/10/2006 7:13:40 AM   
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I'm very into that i want my Sir to control my mind as well as everything else but i have a problem with two of the things mentioned on your list.
1. Dislikes
2. Likes
 
If for example i hate camping (which i do) nothing is ever going to make me like it - tolerate it yes but like no.
 
I love to read and nothing you could do would ever make me dislike burying my head in a book. You could stop me from reading but you wont make me dislike it.

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RE: Mind bondage - 7/10/2006 7:16:01 AM   
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If you buy the assumptions, you will buy the deal. Never?  Nothing I can do?

I would gladly take you up on the challenges, for the sport of it.

I think I can construct scenarios that would revise your thinking.

Ron

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RE: Mind bondage - 7/10/2006 7:19:26 AM   
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Mind bondage is something you do willingly, its not an exact list, like you say something you let go of something’s you don't. You decide these things at the start with your Master and together work on the goal within Mind bondage, its and adventure.

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RE: Mind bondage - 7/10/2006 7:23:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

If you buy the assumptions, you will buy the deal. Never?  Nothing I can do?

I would gladly take you up on the challenges, for the sport of it.

I think I can construct scenarios that would revise your thinking.

Ron


Just for the hell of it how do you think u cud make me dislike reading?

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RE: Mind bondage - 7/10/2006 7:24:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dmarc

Mind bondage is something you do willingly, its not an exact list, like you say something you let go of something’s you don't. You decide these things at the start with your Master and together work on the goal within Mind bondage, its and adventure.


I just think that some things about a person cannot be changed.

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RE: Mind bondage - 7/10/2006 8:44:32 AM   
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Your reading list could consist of let's say; The Warren Report.  That will be your entire reading list for the next 10 years.  You will read it every waking minute when not in other service to me. Again, and again, and again.......

(I am a huge reader and have 4 or 5 books going at any one time).

Ron

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RE: Mind bondage - 7/10/2006 10:00:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Your reading list could consist of let's say; The Warren Report.  That will be your entire reading list for the next 10 years.  You will read it every waking minute when not in other service to me. Again, and again, and again.......

(I am a huge reader and have 4 or 5 books going at any one time).

Ron


I love books..and read tons of them. I thought the same thing, no one could make me not want to read a book. 
 
I read your response, and I was wrong.  Very good.. a bit sadistic....but good.
 
Andrea

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RE: Mind bondage - 7/10/2006 10:06:25 AM   
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It is somewhat of a joke.  Under no circumstances would I actually try to make someone dislike reading.........I love it too much and it is a requirement of anyone I end up with. It is just meant to point out that if it's worth it (and it rarely is) you can have someone do a complete turnaround by the type of conditioning you implement.

Sincerely,
Ron 

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RE: Mind bondage - 7/10/2006 2:22:07 PM   
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No one can truely control another person's mind .  You can control actions, but never thoughts (unless brain-washing is involved - and even then, I'm a sceptic).

We weren't given individual brains for nothing...There's too much there - too much stored in our "hard-drive" to ever be erased completely.

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RE: Mind bondage - 7/10/2006 2:48:00 PM   
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I can say from experience, any slave who wishes to be controlled in her mind...to give her mind to her master, who is also willing to go under hypnosis up to 5-10 sessions, can literally be reprogrammed to think as her master wants her to think, as well as think its her wish to think that way when she is not under the influence of hypnosis. Putting a person in a deep enough trance, to be able to reprogram their subconscious mind is a VERY dangerous thing to do, and I would never recomend a novice even try to use such methods. I have personally used it on many occasions with very positive results, and have been doing so for longer than I have been an active lifestyler (10+ years )

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RE: Mind bondage - 7/10/2006 2:58:00 PM   
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Why would you want to?  It's all smoke and mirrors...

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RE: Mind bondage - 7/11/2006 3:59:45 AM   
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Behavior Modification is not the same as mental bondage, but using conditioning and hypnosis correctly can work. None of it is smoke and mirrors. All of it is tried and proven techniques.

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