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FieryOpal -> RE: Irony (6/11/2014 8:01:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx It is not gender specific. Men objectify themselves just as clearly. <snip> I think the problem arises when we focus on the object at the expense of the sub[j]ect. Men seem to love being objectified and often mistakenly believe we must want to be treated this way also. [;)] Totally concur with your last point.

thompsonx -> RE: Irony (6/11/2014 9:08:41 AM)
ORIGINAL: FieryOpal quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx It is not gender specific. Men objectify themselves just as clearly. <snip> I think the problem arises when we focus on the object at the expense of the sub[j]ect. Men seem to love being objectified and often mistakenly believe we must want to be treated this way also. [;)] Some men love being objectified just as some women love being objectified. If a woman tells me that I have a nice smile or that my eyes are ... I am a little flattered but I am aware that none of that is my fault...where as if she tells me that I am talented in areas that have nothing to do with my genetic make up then she is praising things that are actually things that I have done and not just gifts I have recieved because of who my parents were. If objectification can be defined as focusing on those aspects of a person not related to their intellect then when doesn't projecting a positive body image become objectification?

FieryOpal -> RE: Irony (6/11/2014 9:27:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: FieryOpal Some men love being objectified just as some women love being objectified. If a woman tells me that I have a nice smile or that my eyes are ... I am a little flattered but I am aware that none of that is my fault...where as if she tells me that I am talented in areas that have nothing to do with my genetic make up then she is praising things that are actually things that I have done and not just gifts I have recieved because of who my parents were. If objectification can be defined as focusing on those aspects of a person not related to their intellect then when doesn't projecting a positive body image become objectification? I meant sexually objectified. Are we on the same page? Definition-wise, that is. (Just making sure, yanno.) Telling you that you have a nice smile or pretty eyes can be an innocent compliment, not a sexual come-on. Unless you're referring specifically to a woman you're in an intimate relationship with. I've told young guys at service counters or in the grocery store that they have pretty eyes just like my son does, and it's not a come-on, nor are they being objectified by me. They just remind me of my son. In general, women like to receive compliments. Sincere compliments that don't make them feel sexually objectified, but appreciated instead for whatever attributes or qualities they possess. Once this crosses the line, though, into sexual objectification, you'd better be somebody I'm attracted to or on familiar terms with, or else I will feel repulsed. See the difference?

thompsonx -> RE: Irony (6/11/2014 9:55:27 AM)
ORIGINAL: FieryOpal quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: FieryOpal Some men love being objectified just as some women love being objectified. If a woman tells me that I have a nice smile or that my eyes are ... I am a little flattered but I am aware that none of that is my fault...where as if she tells me that I am talented in areas that have nothing to do with my genetic make up then she is praising things that are actually things that I have done and not just gifts I have recieved because of who my parents were. If objectification can be defined as focusing on those aspects of a person not related to their intellect then when doesn't projecting a positive body image become objectification? I meant sexually objectified. Are we on the same page? Definition-wise, that is. (Just making sure, yanno.) When we see another person we make sexual choices about them based on what they look like. Telling you that you have a nice smile or pretty eyes can be an innocent compliment, not a sexual come-on. Yes it can. It can also be called flirting. Unless you're referring specifically to a woman you're in an intimate relationship with. I've told young guys at service counters or in the grocery store that they have pretty eyes just like my son does, and it's not a come-on, nor are they being objectified by me. They just remind me of my son. Being a total slut that just is not possible for me. If I see a woman that is 50 years younger than me who has a smile that could light up n. korea on a dark night...the bassis of my compliment is that I would like to spend a little more time looking at that smile,.....nose,lips,hair,beuwbs,butt,eyesetc. In general, women like to receive compliments. So do guys. Sincere compliments that don't make them feel sexually objectified, but appreciated instead for whatever attributes or qualities they possess. If it is a sexual aspect (all physical aspects of ones body are sexual as opposed to lacivious) the individual had (typically) nothing to do with their hair color or quantity, eye color or quantity,etc. The things that they do, however, how they treat others,how they treat themselves are the things that are really worthy of praise. Once this crosses the line, though, into sexual objectification, you'd better be somebody I'm attracted to or on familiar terms with, or else I will feel repulsed. See the difference? The instant that repulsion is felt I have a tendency to shut my mouth and look for someone who appreciates my slutty nature. If on the other hand my smuttiness is acknowledged and encouraged then I become absolutely insufferable

FieryOpal -> RE: Irony (6/11/2014 10:16:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx <snip> If on the other hand my smuttiness is acknowledged and encouraged then I become absolutely insufferable Why do I not find this hard to believe? [:D] The point is, men and women perceive things differently. Evidently, men are more sexually-minded than women are, with wishful thinking that we would be the same as them ... but we aren't, we're women. Which isn't to say that women aren't capable of being easily aroused or turned on by erotic content. But first, we look for a man worthy of our attentions, and we disdain a male's lack of selectiveness because we want to feel special. In man-friendly terms: Women are more inclined to be choosy.

thompsonx -> RE: Irony (6/11/2014 12:22:03 PM)
ORIGINAL: FieryOpal quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx <snip> If on the other hand my smuttiness is acknowledged and encouraged then I become absolutely insufferable Why do I not find this hard to believe? [:D] Yes, I realize that seems counterintuitive but I have valid cites to substantiate this seemingly eronious opinion. The point is, men and women perceive things differently. I am not convinced that gender is the primary factor in perception. Evidently, men are more sexually-minded than women are, Some men are more sexually minded than some men and some women are more sexually minded than some women. with wishful thinking that we would be the same as them I believe that we would all seek like minded people. ... but we aren't, we're women. Which isn't to say that women aren't capable of being easily aroused or turned on by erotic content. Just like guys. But first, we look for a man worthy of our attentions, This is true of some women and some men but not all of either. and we disdain a male's lack of selectiveness because we want to feel special. Just as some women feel this way so also do some men. In man-friendly terms: Women are more inclined to be choosy. I would agree that many men and women would perfer to be choosy but then there are the old,ugly and obnoxios who must rent.[:(]

FieryOpal -> RE: Irony (6/11/2014 2:17:23 PM)
ORIGINAL: thompsonx I am not convinced that gender is the primary factor in perception. Care to elaborate on that? I know I've read somewhere that men (it could even have been male babies) see or respond to a mosaic puzzle of body parts more so than women (female babies?), who perceive more in Gestalt-ish form. In other words, the difference between seeing the trees for the forest or seeing the forest for the trees. (Gd-it if you make me hunt down a link!) Some men are more sexually minded than some men and some women are more sexually minded than some women. Well yes, we all have individual priorities of shifting order. Sex usually does make the Top10 list. Yours might top it or come in 2nd. :p Mine might be...Item#3 ordinarily. I believe that we would all seek like minded people. Of course. [FO:] But first, we look for a man worthy of our attentions, This is true of some women and some men but not all of either. I don't know what to make of this statement. [FO:] and we disdain a male's lack of selectiveness because we want to feel special. Just as some women feel this way so also do some men. Naturally, men do also. This is another reason why a man might instinctively find a more discerning woman more attractive than one who is indiscriminate with how she bestows her favors. I would agree that many men and women would perfer to be choosy but then there are the old,ugly and obnoxios who must rent.[:(] Ergo, the frustration of someone like the OP in dealing with men who not only have a laundry list but want their laundry done for free, who think they don't have to pay rent and scrounge around for free samples with nothing to offer in return or exchange. It's all about reciprocity in one form or another.

Gauge -> RE: Irony (6/11/2014 2:29:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal As of this writing, I regret to inform you Kali, that there is no known cure for this condition, which most often afflicts male BDSM bottoms/wannabe-submissives (due to sheer numbers). There are two forms of DO-ME-itis, namely: -- Fuckwititis = (Clueless) Male-specific mental condition most often caused by FemDom porn contamination. Detoxification requires going cold turkey from watching ANY and ALL porn in order to efficaciously manage recurrence of "subfever," a misnomer for "bottom fever," aka "MAKE ME YOUR BITCH SLUT-WHORE." -- Asshatitis = (Clueless) Male-specific mental condition. Causation unknown. Theories range from a combination of OCD with borderline personality disorder, along with porn contamination. Partial treatment directed toward porn saturation consists of detoxification, requiring going cold turkey from watching ANY and ALL porn in order to efficaciously manage this portion of complex disorder to avoid recurrence of "Dom-fever," aka "Dom-frenzy," aka "I AM A SELF-PROCLAIMED MASTER (even though I can't dominate my way out of a wet paper bag)." NOTE: Male S/switches fall somewhere between both ends of the spectrum. I hope this information has been helpful to you in some small way. [:)] While you may or may not be man bashing, I have found that stupidity knows no gender boundaries.

FieryOpal -> RE: Irony (6/11/2014 2:35:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge While you may or may not be man bashing, I have found that stupidity knows no gender boundaries. Nor does irony on an Irony thread. [:)]

thompsonx -> RE: Irony (6/12/2014 6:49:51 AM)
[FO:] But first, we look for a man worthy of our attentions, This is true of some women and some men but not all of either. I don't know what to make of this statement. It means that some are total sluts who would fuck a trash can if someone would hold the lid just as there are some women who would fuck a fence post if someone would hold the ladder. Not everyone has learned the value of slectivity...not everyone is capable of selectivity.

thompsonx -> RE: Irony (6/12/2014 6:57:07 AM)
I would agree that many men and women would perfer to be choosy but then there are the old,ugly and obnoxios who must rent. Ergo, the frustration of someone like the OP in dealing with men who not only have a laundry list but want their laundry done for free, Everyone likes free stuff. who think they don't have to pay rent and scrounge around for free samples I have not paid rent in nearly 40 years. Free samples are a way of life for some[:)] with nothing to offer in return or exchange. I offer myself in exchange in all of my radiant glory[8\|] It's all about reciprocity in one form or another. Rciprocal motion is something I can bet in front of[:)]

GoddessManko -> RE: Irony (6/12/2014 7:06:12 AM)
Honestly the only reason I have not responded to thompsonx's rants throughout this thread is because he's in a totally different ballpark than most happy, content and rational individuals in my very personal opinion. I'm not gonna say personal hygiene and grooming are forms of "self objectification". And he clarified that he sees most people as such, objects, no matter gender, disposition or intelligence so...yea. I think we're done here. Kali you got some sound responses from other posters, best of luck. Also Fiery thank you for your comments, I often agree with you as well. thompsonx honestly wasn't on my radar when I said "so called ""subs"", but thanks for the clarification despite that. I hope he enjoys his car as much as he enjoys a woman/man/horse/picket fence...whatever he chooses to engage. :)

thompsonx -> RE: Irony (6/12/2014 8:26:06 AM)
ORIGINAL: GoddessManko Honestly the only reason I have not responded to thompsonx's rants throughout this thread is because he's in a totally different ballpark than most happy, content and rational individuals in my very personal opinion. Well it is my ballpark and I am quite happy,content and rational in it. Should you choose to play in my ball park you would be welcome but should you choose to play somewhere else I will not miss you. I'm not gonna say personal hygiene and grooming are forms of "self objectification". Then you are not going to be engaging the truth. And he clarified that he sees most people as such, objects, no matter gender, disposition or intelligence so That would be a gross mischaracterization of my position. ...yea. I think we're done here. I am part of we and I ain't Kali you got some sound responses from other posters, best of luck. Also Fiery thank you for your comments, I often agree with you as well. thompsonx honestly wasn't on my radar when I said "so called ""subs"", but thanks for the clarification despite that. My profile has accurately depicted my position since before you could vote. Had you chosen to look you could have disabused yourself of your ignorance. I hope he enjoys his car as much as he enjoys a woman Cars and women share some common traits...both are designed to be ridden not pushed. /man Not by choice /horse/ Against tos picket fence. The appropriate size and shape of picket could make this a first choice[:)]. ..whatever he chooses to engage. :) I prefer whomever[8\|] But the whatever has the advantage that you needent get dressed up and you can quit when you are through[;)]

FieryOpal -> RE: Irony (6/12/2014 9:59:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx It means that some are total sluts who would fuck a trash can if someone would hold the lid just as there are some women who would fuck a fence post if someone would hold the ladder. Not everyone has learned the value of slectivity...not everyone is capable of selectivity. Can I deduce from the above that your advice to OP is to just accept the fact that these kinds of guys are "total sluts"? Because you're probably right about that. [8D] P.S. As for indiscriminately promiscuous women, there certainly are some of those around. However, I don't believe OP is being bothered by any of them.

FieryOpal -> RE: Irony (6/12/2014 10:14:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Everyone likes free stuff. <snip> Being given free stuff is not the same as taking what doesn't belong to oneself or what isn't being offered freely. The latter is called stealing. Consensuality is key. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I offer myself in exchange in all of my radiant glory[8\|] <snip> That's nice. Perhaps you'll get some takers. [:)] Your average run-of-the-mill short, fat, bald, out-of-shape, broke-ass HNG will have to up the ante.

shiftyw -> RE: Irony (6/12/2014 2:59:21 PM)
I agree with Des. I'm a bottom- but I'm pretty flexible with what I'll do for my long term partner whom I live with. I just identify as bottom because we're bedroom only. So even the "bottom" choice might not solve your problems. I think this happens to everyone. All sides of kneel and both sexes. People stink sometimes.

GoddessManko -> RE: Irony (6/12/2014 3:24:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: GoddessManko Honestly the only reason I have not responded to thompsonx's rants throughout this thread is because he's in a totally different ballpark than most happy, content and rational individuals in my very personal opinion. Well it is my ballpark and I am quite happy,content and rational in it. Should you choose to play in my ball park you would be welcome but should you choose to play somewhere else I will not miss you. Believe me when I tell you, the sentiment is extremely requited my darling fellow. Especially since dressing nice, wearing a bit of makeup and working your ass off at the gym is a green light to be objectified according to your own words. My absolute best to you. :)

ThePrincessKali -> RE: Irony (6/12/2014 5:40:16 PM)
FieryOpal, thank you for your comments. I always enjoy reading what you have to say. And thank you everyone else for the input and advice! From now on when subs offer to be my oral slave or lick my feet to prove their loyalty I'm simply going to to tell them that I am happy to buy myself a new LV bag on their credit card to prove mine lol

thompsonx -> RE: Irony (6/12/2014 5:55:05 PM)
ORIGINAL: GoddessManko Especially since dressing nice, wearing a bit of makeup and working your ass off at the gym is a green light to be objectified according to your own words. My absolute best to you. :) That is a gross mischaracterization of my post. Here is what I said: Do you wear make up? Do you wear clothes that flatter you? Do you maintain your body to be hwp? If you can objectify yourself why can't I appreciate that objectification? When a woman tells me "wear this when we go out to dinner it makes you look hawt." Hell yes I will wear it. And if she has a pair of shoes that look like they belonged to clemintine I will point out how unhawt they are. I like to look as nice for her as she looks for me. If objectification can be defined as focusing on those aspects of a person not related to their intellect then when doesn't projecting a positive body image become objectification? I think the problem arises when we focus on the object at the expense of the subect.

thompsonx -> RE: Irony (6/12/2014 5:57:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThePrincessKali FieryOpal, thank you for your comments. I always enjoy reading what you have to say. And thank you everyone else for the input and advice! From now on when subs offer to be my oral slave or lick my feet to prove their loyalty I'm simply going to to tell them that I am happy to buy myself a new LV bag on their credit card to prove mine lol If he is going to lick your feet you might consider a pair of C/L kicks to go with that bag.[;)]

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