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RE: Previous Damage! - 9/28/2014 1:18:16 PM   
RedMagic1


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Has any Doms here ever run into a situation where you had to repair the damage of a sub from a previous Dom? The reason I ask, my sub has communicated to me issues I am gravely concerned about.

It isn't your job to fix her, and you don't have the ability to fix her, even if you have advanced degrees in counseling etc. A professional psychologist or psychiatrist would not try to heal his or her own spouse, but would refer the job to someone competent and objective. You're too close to the situation to be objective yourself.

She is the only one who can fix herself. But she probably can't do it alone. Therapy, yes. My advice to you would be as follows: get yourself in the headspace of being a support, instead of a leader, when it comes to this realm of her life. You could think of it as being her protector, or champion, or rock. But, fundamentally, she has to lead herself out of this maze, and you try to do it for her, you might set her back. You can lead at other times, in other ways, but not here. Not even if she wants you to. (And that last bit is the hard part.)

Good luck to both of you.

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RE: Previous Damage! - 11/3/2014 6:52:12 AM   
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Well just like has been said you cant fix her. And in all honesty I am not sure people can ever be fixed as such. Its more her learning how to cope and what it all means to her. Therapists don't ever try to fix people they listen and help people unravel the thoughts and feelings they have due to experiences that have happened to them. anyway that all said it is possible for her to learn how to cope and move forward with her life making healthier choices etc. Its only possible if it comes from her tho.

The reason I thought I would reply is I am pretty much going through the exact same thing, except in my situation the survivor of abuse is male and type of abuse was child sexual abuse. which as you may or may not know is mentally one of the most damaging types. It has taken him 2 years of me knowing him to realise he needs proper help and support. Obviously in reality he has needed that support since the day it started when he was 6.

One thing I have not seen mentioned is your health in all this. It will take its toll on you, you will most likely need a support network of your own, and she will need more than just you in hers. we are 2 years in and 3 months into therapy and still the can of worms remains closed. Remember you cant turn to her for certain things and is questionable if its a good idea to ask for trust from her or transparency this needs to be all at her pace. basically you almost have to take a parental role. its not really a relationship in the true sense. You have to be a friend and with this comes problems because she wont see it like that she will view it as a relationship and she is not well enough to handle the truth, savours of abuse rarely have the ability to think logically. And until she has on her terms dealt with all this you wont actually know the real her or who she really is what she really wants out of her life. If she will even still hold an interest in bdsm (for all you know bdsm is her drug like and alcoholic and his whiskey). You have to be prepared to support her through all this while controlling your feelings and at the end of it all she may turn and around and say thank you for helping me I am going now.

see supporting someone through all this is hard because you have to allow her to confide in others and tell them things maybe she cant tell you yet and you have o be ok with that and not push or show how hurt you are when that happens. Because this is her journey not yours. You don't get to be the guy that fixed her its like supporting someone with depression or ptsd it takes a real giver expecting nothing in return to help support these people. Often its family and relatives that take on these roles. unfortunately in our case its the family that have caused the abuse hence why hes 34 before finally feeling he can help himself as now he lives far away from them.

IMO it would be unwise to expect to be a true dominant to her during this this process, but like I said before she is unlikely to see why you cant so you almost end up playing along to help to support her. and I can tell you now its a horrible feeling when you cant turn to the person your with for support and to feel that your not being 100% transparent with them. It eats at me constantly.

On the plus side tho every person is different and copes in different ways, she may have the abilities to see things logically even tho it is unusual.

I can tell you first hand its not an easy road at all and there are days when I think I have taken too much on here because my own mental health comes first.

Didn't want to put you off just wanted you to be able to have a proper think about what helping someone that's suffered as bad as it sounds she has might actually involve. In our case we decided to keep the relationship totally vanilla as anything else would be unfair on him and borderline abusive even with consent as he in all honesty is in no condition to give consent and that with him in a dominant role.


as a last note I am sorry if this is hard to read or follow writing is not a strong skill unfortunately its a good job I have other skills :)

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RE: Previous Damage! - 11/13/2014 6:58:47 AM   
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Am I the only one who is clueless WTF is everyone saying here?

Why is everybody telling her dom to abandon ship? That she's too fucked up? Too much baggage?

Seriously....

Anyway OP, I disagree with everybody, I think she needs your love and support and I trust that you will do everything in her best interest and work with the therapist, the professional, on what's right and best for her, don't have to listen to all these negative advice.

I think someone like her really needs support and judging from all the responses here, if all these folks were her friends, they would abandon her, so it is my view that you are doing a good thing for her.

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RE: Previous Damage! - 11/13/2014 10:00:14 AM   
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Yes, I have run into "fixer uppers." Got mixed results. What I learned was to evaluate whether I would want the relationship the way it stands. I learned not to expect change. For me, it is either I like what is on the table or not.

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RE: Previous Damage! - 11/13/2014 10:30:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

What I learned was to evaluate whether I would want the relationship the way it stands. I learned not to expect change.


And that has to be, hands down, the wisest thing I've ever read on this forum.

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RE: Previous Damage! - 11/14/2014 1:55:42 AM   
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RS is right. Furthermore, if you try to fix her it will only mess her up more and create a dependency (which may make YOU feel more secure, but will mess her up more). I'm sorry to say, but it's extremely unlikely that you can help her and remain in a relationship with her. Been there, done that. Be her friend - nothing more. She needs friends right now...

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RE: Previous Damage! - 11/15/2014 2:53:40 AM   
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Is it my imagination, or is this a REALLY common phenomenon in this lifestyle? I know a LOT....and I mean a LOT of s-types who have a lot of baggage in their past and are in therapy and take multiple meds to help with mental and emotional issues.

Makes me feel like I'm not "qualified" to be an s-type because I don't have a lot of trauma in my past.

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RE: Previous Damage! - 11/15/2014 3:30:58 AM   
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Makes me feel like I'm not "qualified" to be an s-type because I don't have a lot of trauma in my past.

Don't be silly. It's just that people who don't have trauma has no trauma to talk about, so you don't hear them posting, since there is nothing to post about.

Anyway, you wouldn't have to worry, from the profiles I have seen on CS, most doms are seeking subs with zero baggage. You got a huge pool to choose from.

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RE: Previous Damage! - 11/15/2014 3:37:12 AM   
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People develop personality traits because of life experience, it's not damage it's life. The only way to change that is to make their life something different. It can't be forced, or talked out. You don't need to try to help someone. if you are what they need just behaving normally will help.

Too many people think that changing their actions to suit another is dominant. If you are what they need example is enough. Be consistent and defenses that are built up out of necessity start to come down.

It's not about the damage it's about finding someone who's damage matches yours.

As daddy used to say "poor baby, your life must have been hell to make you perfect for me"

I'm strongly against the mental health services that are common practice today. I've never seen it do any good, only create dependency on drugs that cause considerable brain damage to "fix" something that was there for a reason. If you don't like how you think, or view the world, change the cause not the effect. Being happy when you are still surrounded by what made you unhappy just leads to farther neuroses. The mind is a powerful thing, in a healthy environment it will work out any discrepancies.

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RE: Previous Damage! - 11/15/2014 11:24:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DerangedUnit

I'm strongly against the mental health services that are common practice today. I've never seen it do any good, only create dependency on drugs that cause considerable brain damage to "fix" something that was there for a reason. If you don't like how you think, or view the world, change the cause not the effect. Being happy when you are still surrounded by what made you unhappy just leads to farther neuroses. The mind is a powerful thing, in a healthy environment it will work out any discrepancies.



With all due respect, the above paragraph is ridiculous. If you are looking for a case where mental health treatment has done good, you are reading a post by someone who has benefited from the current mental health system. I have seen mental health treatment do good, even without drugs in some cases. However, more often than not, medication along with talk therapy is more likely to be used as treatment. Some people have had the unfortunate experience of just getting drugs thrown at them and nothing more. The system is not perfect. People that say things like you have said are a lot of the reason our system does not improve. Simply because mental illness is not something that you can see, people do not believe that it exists or that all people who suffer have to do is change their attitude. You cannot wish this disease away anymore than you could wish a brain tumor to go away, or cancer.

My mental illness does not have a specific reason for being there except for a neurochemical imbalance. I can't simply pull it out by the roots and it will be all better. If alleviating my depression and anxiety would be a simple changing of the way I think, I would have done that decades ago. Certainly attitude plays a part, but a terribly small part. And how do you suddenly create a healthy environment where all is sunshine and roses, when people that struggle with mental illness have to do so on a daily basis, and it is terrible and energy depleting? Getting out of bed for some people is a triumph, getting through their day is a different story.

You are free to believe what you like about mental illness, but it does not change the fact that it exists, it is a serious illness, and there is no known cure.



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RE: Previous Damage! - 11/15/2014 3:27:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DerangedUnit

I'm strongly against the mental health services that are common practice today. I've never seen it do any good, only create dependency on drugs that cause considerable brain damage to "fix" something that was there for a reason. If you don't like how you think, or view the world, change the cause not the effect. Being happy when you are still surrounded by what made you unhappy just leads to farther neuroses. The mind is a powerful thing, in a healthy environment it will work out any discrepancies.



With all due respect, the above paragraph is ridiculous. If you are looking for a case where mental health treatment has done good, you are reading a post by someone who has benefited from the current mental health system. I have seen mental health treatment do good, even without drugs in some cases. However, more often than not, medication along with talk therapy is more likely to be used as treatment. Some people have had the unfortunate experience of just getting drugs thrown at them and nothing more. The system is not perfect. People that say things like you have said are a lot of the reason our system does not improve. Simply because mental illness is not something that you can see, people do not believe that it exists or that all people who suffer have to do is change their attitude. You cannot wish this disease away anymore than you could wish a brain tumor to go away, or cancer.

My mental illness does not have a specific reason for being there except for a neurochemical imbalance. I can't simply pull it out by the roots and it will be all better. If alleviating my depression and anxiety would be a simple changing of the way I think, I would have done that decades ago. Certainly attitude plays a part, but a terribly small part. And how do you suddenly create a healthy environment where all is sunshine and roses, when people that struggle with mental illness have to do so on a daily basis, and it is terrible and energy depleting? Getting out of bed for some people is a triumph, getting through their day is a different story.

You are free to believe what you like about mental illness, but it does not change the fact that it exists, it is a serious illness, and there is no known cure.




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RE: Previous Damage! - 11/15/2014 3:29:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gauge


quote:

ORIGINAL: DerangedUnit

I'm strongly against the mental health services that are common practice today. I've never seen it do any good, only create dependency on drugs that cause considerable brain damage to "fix" something that was there for a reason. If you don't like how you think, or view the world, change the cause not the effect. Being happy when you are still surrounded by what made you unhappy just leads to farther neuroses. The mind is a powerful thing, in a healthy environment it will work out any discrepancies.



With all due respect, the above paragraph is ridiculous. If you are looking for a case where mental health treatment has done good, you are reading a post by someone who has benefited from the current mental health system. I have seen mental health treatment do good, even without drugs in some cases. However, more often than not, medication along with talk therapy is more likely to be used as treatment. Some people have had the unfortunate experience of just getting drugs thrown at them and nothing more. The system is not perfect. People that say things like you have said are a lot of the reason our system does not improve. Simply because mental illness is not something that you can see, people do not believe that it exists or that all people who suffer have to do is change their attitude. You cannot wish this disease away anymore than you could wish a brain tumor to go away, or cancer.

My mental illness does not have a specific reason for being there except for a neurochemical imbalance. I can't simply pull it out by the roots and it will be all better. If alleviating my depression and anxiety would be a simple changing of the way I think, I would have done that decades ago. Certainly attitude plays a part, but a terribly small part. And how do you suddenly create a healthy environment where all is sunshine and roses, when people that struggle with mental illness have to do so on a daily basis, and it is terrible and energy depleting? Getting out of bed for some people is a triumph, getting through their day is a different story.

You are free to believe what you like about mental illness, but it does not change the fact that it exists, it is a serious illness, and there is no known cure.




I don't argue with what people say makes them happy, if it made you happy good. But I know a lot of people for whom that wasn't the case, they(including myself) were forced to take medication that causes serious brain damage because of someones opinion about their personality, or outlying causes. People live different lives and claiming a blanket fix all for every occasion is a nice idea but it isn't the case, there is only so much someone who hasn't lived your life can teach you.


Last post messed up so retrying

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RE: Previous Damage! - 11/22/2014 2:22:20 PM   
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That's odd... To me ... I was abused and now I'm scared to ever be hit again.mi am honestly horrified

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RE: Previous Damage! - 11/23/2014 8:49:05 PM   
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I think this is a delicate situation and must be handled with care.

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RE: Previous Damage! - 11/25/2014 9:55:27 AM   
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That's odd... To me ... I was abused and now I'm scared to ever be hit again.mi am honestly horrified

It's different, as different people deal with it differently.
For me, I was so frightened all my life by being beaten by my mom, until I had a breakthrough at 17 yr old. Where she slap the shit out of me infront of her staff. And dragged me to the edge of the building and told me to jump to make her happy. At that point, I just looked at her and tell her that if she wants to kill me, then she should just do it, I am not gonna do her dirty work for her. Her response to that was to keep slapping me harder and harder and screaming at me to jump. I stopped feeling pain from her beating, that was the moment, where pain disappeared. I can't explain it. It's like I stop feeling physical pain anymore. And I kept taunting her to hit harder and harder and she kept hitting me harder and harder, and it stopped hurting completely, I just felt numb.

It was like a psychological breakthrough that you can choose not to feel physical pain. And I started understanding how physical pain can change to pleasure, turning something awful to something enjoyable. Because fact of the matter is, you only feel pain IF your brain is telling you, it's pain. If you can manipulate that, you can self-anesthesia.


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RE: Previous Damage! - 3/4/2015 2:44:48 AM   
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Christ, you're either a Dom or a psychiatrist. If she's 120 (I'm guessing probably more like 250) pounds of emotional baggage send her to therapy. BDSM is not what she really wants obviously and is seeking emotional support.

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