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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I'm told it can be done, though not with ease - but thank god I've never seen a woman wazz into a urinal. There are *limits*. 'T'aint ladylike.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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How do we determine what one's "gender identity" is? Is it simply what the person says it is? Is that fluid? Should it be fluid? While it's not a guarantee, sports performance relying on speed, strength and agility tend to favor males. Could a male athlete take a shortcut to success and claim a female "gender identity" so as to compete against females rather than males? Isn't that inherently unfair to the female athlete?

The male athlete would have to convince a psychologist the he actually had gender dysphoria which is not easy for kids who actually have it. And how many guys do you think would be willing to live their life as a girl just to run track against the girls?

I thought the metric was...

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves?

So, why not let them pick their gender when they want? Who says they have to live their life as a girl? Why not let them pick their gender again later?

Who are you to say that their gender identity won't change later?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves? What's the harm in that? Beyond the fact that it offends your rigid way of thinking?

"Innie" or "outie?" Not really a difficult thing to determine at birth, is it? Gender certainly can be changed at a later date, but at birth, it's pretty much going to be obvious (there are exceptions).

The question is why assign gender to newborns at all? There is absolutely no reason to do so. If we raised all children gender neutral until they expressed their own gender preference that would do no harm to the vast bulk of kids who are born where the biology matches the brain. But for those kids where there is a mismatch not forcing the kid into the wrong gender would save a great deal of psychological harm.

I don't know. Maybe to help tell the baby apart in the Maternity Ward?

New Parent: "I thought our baby had an outie, Doc?!?"
DocKen: "What does it matter what the exterior anatomy? We can change that. You want us to turn that innie into an outie for you?"
New Parent: "No, I want MY son!"
DocKen: "This specimen can very easily be your son. We can even switch it with another specimen if you'd rather have one with a different color meat suit.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I'm told it can be done, though not with ease - but thank god I've never seen a woman wazz into a urinal. There are *limits*. 'T'aint ladylike.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Because we're not fools. The point of the CA law isn't to let boys run girl's track but to cut down on the psychological damage down to transgender kids. If you really think some boy is going to abuse it that way you really have no idea the sort of abuse a trans kid has to live with as it is.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Are you too stupid too understand that we have moved beyond relying upon a glance at the plumbing, which we can change with surgery anyway, to determine that? It's how the person feels that is important not which bits the baby developed.

The subject is the sex of the child, Ken. Try to get that through your head. Third time's a charm. If the sex of a newborn was determined by how it "feels," there would never be any need to change the plumbing.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Because we're not fools. The point of the CA law isn't to let boys run girl's track but to cut down on the psychological damage down to transgender kids. If you really think some boy is going to abuse it that way you really have no idea the sort of abuse a trans kid has to live with as it is.

I doubt you could possibly foresee how a normal boy (or millions of them) might take advantage of that law

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
How do we determine what one's "gender identity" is? Is it simply what the person says it is? Is that fluid? Should it be fluid? While it's not a guarantee, sports performance relying on speed, strength and agility tend to favor males. Could a male athlete take a shortcut to success and claim a female "gender identity" so as to compete against females rather than males? Isn't that inherently unfair to the female athlete?

The male athlete would have to convince a psychologist the he actually had gender dysphoria which is not easy for kids who actually have it. And how many guys do you think would be willing to live their life as a girl just to run track against the girls?

I thought the metric was...

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves?

So, why not let them pick their gender when they want? Who says they have to live their life as a girl? Why not let them pick their gender again later?
Who are you to say that their gender identity won't change later?

Because we're not fools. The point of the CA law isn't to let boys run girl's track but to cut down on the psychological damage down to transgender kids. If you really think some boy is going to abuse it that way you really have no idea the sort of abuse a trans kid has to live with as it is.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Are you out of you mind? Do you think newborns are solely identified by their gender? Have you been in a maternity ward in the last 20 years?
Let me clue you in, they put a band on the kid as soon as it's delivered to make sure it doesn't get taken without permission and to make sure it doesn't get mixed up.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
"Innie" or "outie?" Not really a difficult thing to determine at birth, is it?

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Forget athletics and bathrooms. Think realistically. No boys or girls, just children. Ok, so what do you tell them when they notice that difference in "plumbing?" Its not uncommon for a girl with a couple brothers to wonder why she doesn't have a "thing," or the boy with a couple sisters to question what the hell happened that he has a "thing., do they suffere from GID? No, they simply notice the difference.

No boys or girls? Ok, so there is also now no such thing as being heterosexual or homosexual, everyone is technically now bisexual because until the clothes come off, no one has any idea what parts the other has.

"Infant gender assignment" is a term made up by the author, not a recognized term. I'm all for allowing children to ply with whatever toys they like or wear what clothes they find comfortable. Gender identity disorder means your insides don't match your outside from a psychological/mental aspect. I don't mean its a mental health problem ratther that the head and body don't match. Logically, that means your outside has to have a particular gender for your head to disagree with. When that happens, by all means one deserves the right to make them match. However, the reality is that the vast majority of people match inside and out.

The writer obviously has not overcome all her issues with her SRS (or just her transgenderism if she has not compleated surgery). She seems to be confused with what "equal rights" really means. It doesn't mean taking away the identity of those who don't have GID just to make her feel better.

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The question is why assign gender to newborns at all? There is absolutely no reason to do so.

Nobody is assigning gender. They are reporting the sex of the newborn.

It's called English. Get used to it. Let Orwell rest in peace.

K.

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Apparently from the responses I have read we aren't supposed to refer to them as boys or girls anymore. At least not until the child decides which one they should be. I guess up until then we just refer to them as it. Maybe outlaw gender specific clothing. After all we wouldn't want to traumatize the little tots by throwing them in the wrong color.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Strangely not a single one has tried this so far. Despite all the fear mongering. It has been in effect since Jan. 1. As a matter of fact LA county had implemented the same program 9 years earlier and had no problems at all.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/01/31/one-month-later-how-californias-transgender-stu/197864